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What is even more disturbing is the fact the ones they do sell are so cheap. I honestly think a modern day XR6 wagon would be one of Falcon biggest sellers. I think sedan-only variants in this market will struggle as time goes by. Cars like Maxima, Accord, Aurion and Falcon will become more and more irrelevant. Ford has also moved a way from its existing buyer base in designing variants and in its marketing. They really need to admit that the Falcon is the perfect long-distance tourer, family car or tow vehicle. Trying to make the Falcon out to be some 20s-something single male dream car is just not working. Also the pricing structure is all wrong. A brand new Golf is $25990, a brand new X-trail is $31990. A Falcon XT is $42350, people just cant see the value there. XT permanently at 33990 driveaway and XR6 at 36990 would at least give it some semblance of retail appeal. Ford also needs to reconsider the design direction of the Falcon, it is WAY too conservative especially on the base models, and the feature content is outdone by Mondeo and in some ways Fiesta. The low percentage of private sales is just as scary as the low amount of monthly sales themselves. |
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Its not the first time that Ford's PR fairytales have been debunked - remember they used to tout they had a rich model mix nowadays yet figures posted up a month or two ago demonstrated quite the opposite.
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They're also including all of the user chooser novated leases in the fleet sales data too,
pretty sure if they were counted as private sales, the numbers would be more realistic.. It's not as though fleet sales attract huge discounts these days... |
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Trouble is, the Aussie market has changed so much since 1998, and Aussies now have a much more adventurous taste in car styling, and Ford have found themselves behind the eightball again.
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What the 'fleet sales' consideration doesn't take into account all the falcons purchased by private individuals under a company name or novated lease etc. I would hazard a guess that there would be a proportion of new falcon buyers who would be smarter than the average bear and be creative in their payment methods to cut down on tax etc. And good on em!
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I think that the biggest concern really is that the ecoboost T4 Falcon is aimed fairly and squarely at the lease and fleet market, to gain what, the last 19% ???. It also shows that the I6 is still holding its own.
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i don't think the ecoboost motor is there to change the priv/fleet swing, i think it's there to change the market share, ie up!
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Some fleets get massive discounts, rental cars are really bad, little profit and a 6 month turnover which destroys resales values. Guess which car has the highest percentage of rental sales in Australia by far..... Falcon of course. But im sure Ford would spin some BS stating its because rental car companies dont care about price they care about driving enjoyment. Falcon is one of the best cars on the road hobbled by an atrocious marketing and management team. There is simply no defending 19% private sales with the so little sales it actually gets. |
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I made a comment in the linked thread http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...03#post3358903 that I had meant to make here since it's probably more relevant to this thread...
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The days of Holden offering Telstra 40% discount stopped years ago and you would be lucky to get 20% discount out of Ford these days for large fleet sales. Australia and its fleet sales are completely different to USA, the fact that rental fleets in Australia want Falcons is testament to renter preference not discounts on Ford's part. As said earlier Novated leases make up quite a few sales in small and large fleet orders as the vehicles are treated as fleet for tax purposes. So that 19% figure quoted is quite dubious indeed. |
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a bit better marketing for xt is needed imo, i just had a look at the standard features on the the ford australia site, you could not call it a poverty pak as to many people the xt would seem to indicate, its a pretty well equiped and capable car.
Winner of Best Large Car category in Australia's Best Car awards 2008 Key Features Five star ANCAP safety rating 4.0L DOHC DI-VCT I6 engine ZF 6-speed automatic transmission2; Virtual Pivot Control Link front suspension Control Blade Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) 16" x 6.5" 5-spoke alloy wheels^ Human Machine Interface (HMI) with monochrome Interior Command Centre Multi Function Display including distance to empty, average speed, average fuel consumption, speed warning Bluetooth® mobile phone integration.#2 iPod Integration;+2 Cruise control with steering wheel mounted switches Single zone automatic climate control Front and rear power windows Electrically adjustable side mirrors 4-Way power driver seat 60/40 Split fold-down rear seat back Standard audio system with monochrome display, AM/FM radio, single slot CD and 4 speakers (total 112 watts) MP3 CD capability 3.5mm auxiliary audio input jack Intelligent Safety System incorporating driver, front passenger and side head/thorax airbags1, pyrotechnic seatbelt buckle pretensioners1, crash severity sensor and advanced restraints module Dynamic Stability Control** incorporating Traction Control and Emergency Brake Assist (EBA) Driver fatigue warning |
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i agree with what you are saying. Also a few years ago the company i was working with was looking at buying over 50 new falcons aus wide and ford wouldnt give them enough deal on the cars from retail or whatever so they went to holden who slashed the prices. hence im sure this is happening to some extent but different buyers situations will bring diff deals. |
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Then again when you can buy a new SS Ute for $31k as someone had a link to the other day, the private sales are not suprising!
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discounted XR6 and G Series than try to sell the XT as an optioned up but discounted SR or ES pack. Whilst the current XT is far better optioned base model than ever offered before, it is now almost relegated to history because no one really wants it any more, its only salvation would be to rename it as the "E" series and offer the Ecoboost I-4 and DI LPG engines as main features. |
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It does sound like a pretty crap number, but by itself it is hard to tell.. What was the same percentage 1-5-10 years ago & which way is the trend going??
At 19% of 2.500/ per month, Ford are only selling 500-ish falcons to private customers. I wonder if Falcon is Fords number one seller to private customers or if something else in the range has overtaken it?? |
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Anyone with an ABN will get 'fleet discount' whether or not they are entitled to it.
It's an interesting article. Every vehicle I have bought since 2000 has been purchased in my company name, primarily to get back the GST and claim operating costs/expenses. In fact, I wonder if there is a trend towards business/fleet sales rather than private sales based on the change of tax system since 2000. The last time I incurrered a vehicle expense was in 1999.
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If anyone on here believes Ford would prefer their current stratergy of selling less cars with higher profits over selling many more, with slightly lower profits. I have a bridge to sell you. That often quoted explanation on these forums holds no water, when looked at who Ford are and what they are in the business to do. They are a mass manufacturer, not a small tuning house in Wales or something.This current stratergy is about survival when you have a smaller customer base who will buy your product. Last edited by DanielXR8; 26-09-2010 at 11:54 AM. |
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28% of ~1,000/mth Territory is only 280. 19% of ~2,500/mth Falcon is 485. Fiesta is rocking along with 1,000/mth. I'd imagine plenty are private sales.
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So what's Honda's excuse for poor Accord sales??
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