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Semantics.
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So would it be fair to say that the AGW is generally predicated on increased levels of C02 in the atmosphere manifesting into higher global temperatures?
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The actual definition and intent is well understood.
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the thread is littered with a misunderstanding or misuse of the terms. The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time. When we talk about climate change, we talk about changes in long-term averages of daily weather. So to demand weather predictions for tomorrow of people who study climate over 50+ years is ridiculous. Those who have studies climate change (not weather change) have used what tools are available to study periods of hundreds if not thousands of years. They have noted change, some have predicted as a result of this change we will see more extremes, bigger storms, longer heatwaves deeper snow in some parts of the globe all comensurate with a warmer atmosphere. Other scientists have extrapolated the effects of this change. For better or worse the consensus points in one direction. JP |
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![]() It's all interrelated, and anyone who isn't nit picking knows exactly what was meant. As I said, semantics.
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Its not semantics to explain how nobody can predict weather tomorrow (as you defend in Irish's question) yet can predict with a scientific theoretical certainty the climate in 50, or 100+ years if we follow a particular course of actions or inactions. To have a debate, as we are here, the exact understanding of the language that is important to the debate is imperative. Otherwise we argue the same point or turn in circles frustrated at another misunderstanding it cheap ens the debate when we do that! JP |
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Which brings us back to why I mentioned something along the lines of semantics. Quote:
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But but but, they said the science was settled.
The climate government dude on radio national said that the weather hasn't changed locally because Australians have settled in areas that don't have variable climate. they have settled near water that stays constant. Its the Australian climate in areas that don't have large body of water that will have climate issues-not weather issues. If you cant under stand this basic statement then join the 1/3 of Australian that burst into tears because the tax isn't at $50 a ton. P/s lots of celebrations today. The taxes LGA had to pay are to be handed back so we can modify the region cope with the climate.
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Your right , they are coming from for the kinder environment , but it is the not the climate that is the cruncher . It is the ahh, how should I put it fiscal benefits that make Australia the land of opportunity . Last edited by GREGL; 07-03-2014 at 10:54 PM. |
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A theory is what you have when you are applying for funds , a hypothesis is the proof that at least in theory that you have done something to earn more funds .
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A theory is an unproven statement of claim or 'fact'. An hypothesis is an unproven answer to the theoretical question that seeks to prove the theory correct or not...
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As it is also that the earth is 4.5 billion the universe 13.8 billion etc. Of course a lot people don't believe in evolution (an incredibly large group of americans for one) but many also don't believe in a round earth or equal rights either so it's not like it should be surprising or anything. As for climate change/global warming/localized weather not being correlated LOL. That's not really possible given the laws of thermodynamics. You can't have cause without effect. For example lets say the climate increases 2 degrees globally this isn't where it ends, this has many effects and one of the many effects is the land temps increase and create a greater variance in run off between land/sea temps causing the effect of gale force winds. I'll admit that's a bad example because with global warming the variance probably wouldn't become greater if at all, the median/avg temp is what will shift, but I hope you see how cause and effect works. You can't just magically increase the global temps 2 degrees and have all the other forces of nature remain static, it will start an infinite chain reaction they've predicted a mere 2 degree global shift in climate would wipe out a majority of todays species..
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Like with the Big bang, you could say it's a theory the falcon is built by ford in broadmeadows. All observable evidence says they do build falcons in broadmeadows but I've never actually seen them being built inside the factory myself and they won't let me inside to verify it's true. The only observable facts I have are as follows. 1. I see parts going into a building and new falcons roll out. 2. I see them all parked on the grass outside in fleets. 3. I see photo's/videos of inside the factory/assembly line. 4. I see a lot of talk on production from reputable media sources. 5. I hear workers ranting about the current situation/conditions. So either it's true and they're manufactured here or it's a grand conspiracy but the problem is I can't tell!! The problem is I have no evidence apparently of any single transitional falcon!! Oh no it's only a theory now!! Evidence for a transitional falcon is apparently when I go to a wrecker, buy an xr6 badge, put it on the table, turn the light off, leave the room and come back later the badge should have magically morphed into a brand new FG XR6. but this hasn't happened yet so I can't prove my theory Lol and don't even get started on additions of micro steps explaining one macro step. That's like saying an addition of parts could build like an entire car or something ![]()
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Wont put money on it but would be close related to this. I would not expect that ABC would chop up an interview and voice over the local presenter.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...policy/5295652 there is also many interviews this month on ABC as the 3rd climate report was released. I was listening this month to ABC regional-mid north coast because I was in the upper Myall area. the radio announcer put it on the interviewed that the weather hadn't change in living memory and he made the scientific easy to understand reply and very good explanation. P/S my mates been made redundant after 20 years of living on grants. taking the year off.
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If you look at the abstract of the paper, this is what the scientists have to say: Quote:
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Let's say I looked at the links you posted (I didn't and won't) and now believe what you do. Answer me this. Did you believe the dire predictions by Tim Flannery of a few years ago when he predicted (with much MSM hype) that Melbourne and Adelaide would have no water within two years? He was the anointed High Priest of AGW in this country and had 99% of scientists on his side. He couldn't even be half right about that! Did you believe him when he was interviewed and told the Australian people that our (Aussie) emissions targets were vital but may lower the world temperature by a tenth of a degree in a thousand years? This though they would cost us billions and billions? Did you believe the "J Curve" that was dramatically portrayed in Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth? The same curve that's been discredited (and the video) and not even allowed to be shown in some U.S schools due to the fabrications in it? Did you believe the president of the Czech Republic when he said in a radio interview a few years ago that they (Czech Republic) do not in any way believe that AGW is true, but rather all about income distribution? When asked why he believed that he replied "we have lived under the propaganda of communism for a long time and recognise propaganda when we see it." Do you believe the NASA astronauts and personnel (there were a lot) who signed a petition to free NASA from bogus science surrounding claims of AGW? BTW, the formula/modelling used to calculate AGW by NASA has come under heavy fire of late for being wildly inaccurate and pessimistic, from both inside NASA and out. Were you watching when the climate scientists from NSW and elsewhere were trapped in the ice and had to be rescued? Why were they in Antarctica you ask? To prove just how much ice has melted and how quick the world is heating up. The fact that they were trapped in more ice than has been there for ages seemed to be lost on the MSM. Also I hasten to add, that the MSM didn't spend much time telling us exactly who was trapped and why they were there! Am I a skeptic? I sure am. Do I think this (AGW) is gross fear mongering in order to instil fear into the public? I do. Do I think that it's a good scam to pilfer more taxes, needed by increasingly greedy and cash strapped governments? Yep! GK
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Lmao yeh tony abbots gonna ditch the carbon tax then tax buisness for his paid parental leave hypocritical calls to cut a tax you don't agree with is pointless I don't like paying extra but I have to suck it up and move on you should to
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Not a whiff of alarmism? Are you reading the same page? ![]() Then there is one sentence which provides a little balance. Other scientists acknowledged that while the current concentrations of these gases are small and they don't present an immediate concern, work would have to be done to identify their origin. |
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This is your problem cheap; you rely on the media, journalists and bloggers for the relay of scientific information and you aren't prepared to go to the appropriate places to get information free from bias or spin.
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this thread was tentative at best from the start - not particularly suited to a car forum, especially when things turn political and people start racially profiling.
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