Got Defected Tonight!!!!!

crossingover · 09-09-2006, 11:30 PM

Hi guys on my way home from the roxburgh tavern tonight after dinner there was a booz bus and roadworthy inspections,You should of seen the smile on the coppers face when he saw my car signalled for me to pull in and defected me for 19 inch wheels and ride height.My car is fairly low so it was bound to happen.I need to change my rear springs was hoping someone on the forum would have some stock rear springs or just lows for au live axel also need 2 16 inch stockies with tyres preferably as i already have 2 can anyone help me out im in melb northern suburbs damn im thinking buying 19 inch wheels was a wrong move.The police were also local police from my suburb so im thinking even after putting standard wheels on and clearing defect ill pit 19s back on but these guys might just repeat the defect if they see me driving again.Also ill post in wanted section as well just was hoping by posting here ill get a quicker response.It would be great if someone can help a aff member out not expecting it for free will pay just want to soert this out hopefully by monday so i can clear defect as im currently using car for work :heres some pics of how low it is (http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...159#post924159

Casper · 09-09-2006, 11:34 PM

What reason did they give you fro defecting you for 19" rims? Its not illegal to run them.

stiddy · 09-09-2006, 11:38 PM

Its not illegal to run 19's, but its illegal to have any modification from stock without an engineers cert.
Its a stupid stupid rule, any changes on the car from factory, by law needs to have a cert and be within legal specifications. Yes even wheels.
Straight from an officers mouth.

Casper · 09-09-2006, 11:40 PM

NSW suxs then.

crossingover · 09-09-2006, 11:46 PM

yeah cant believe it aswell he wanted to see the tyre placard as i didnt have one coz i just resprayed car.the copper also said any modifications outside manufacturers specs require engineer aproval i was shocked tried everything but looked like i had no hope so as he took his book out?i thought what the heck i took my attitude out and unleashed i was so frustrated guys.He then told me to organise a tow as i cant drive it home 2nite and i said bullshit im driving it home i only had about 2ks to get home and was short on cash so he said ur not driving it and my response was well see! Got the defect jumped in my car took off he didnt chase me but came to my house about 30 minutes later to deliver me a $500 fine for driving an unregistered vehicle,Laughed and walked off

crossingover · 09-09-2006, 11:48 PM

this happened in melbourne not nsw i used to live in werribee just moved to broady and guys ill tell you the cops here are all over the place at nights i hate it

Abacus · 09-09-2006, 11:48 PM

Remember, if the car isn't legal, its not insured either.

stiddy · 09-09-2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by crossingover

yeah cant believe it aswell he wanted to see the tyre placard as i didnt have one coz i just resprayed car.the copper also said any modifications outside manufacturers specs require engineer aproval i was shocked tried everything but looked like i had no hope so as he took his book out?i thought what the heck i took my attitude out and unleashed i was so frustrated guys.He then told me to organise a tow as i cant drive it home 2nite and i said bullshit im driving it home i only had about 2ks to get home and was short on cash so he said ur not driving it and my response was well see! Got the defect jumped in my car took off he didnt chase me but came to my house about 30 minutes later to deliver me a $500 fine for driving an unregistered vehicle,Laughed and walked off

Thats not good.. Go and get an Engineers Certificate and try to get it back dated to a couple of days before the incident with the police.
Take it to court and fight it..

b2tf · 10-09-2006, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiddy

Its not illegal to run 19's, but its illegal to have any modification from stock without an engineers cert.
Its a stupid stupid rule, any changes on the car from factory, by law needs to have a cert and be within legal specifications. Yes even wheels.
Straight from an officers mouth.

that seems VERY odd to me. Where I am the HWP are tough but fair, but if they really want to get you, they will.My ute is by no means stock but all the mods done to it are fully legit and safe.I've been looked over on the side of the road when I first bought it, and they could see it was fairly well worked, but didnt blink an eyelid.

stiddy · 10-09-2006, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

that seems VERY odd to me. Where I am the HWP are tough but fair, but if they really want to get you, they will.My ute is by no means stock but all the mods done to it are fully legit and safe.I've been looked over on the side of the road when I first bought it, and they could see it was fairly well worked, but didnt blink an eyelid.

ANY modification from stock requires by law an engineers certificate, period.
Most coppers dont look twice at most cars with exhausts and mag wheels and things like that...
But then you get the down right pricks that are on powertrips and above everyone that will defect you for not using the stock paper filter.

eXi7w0unD · 10-09-2006, 12:26 AM

all i can say is QLD FTW!

xbgs351 · 10-09-2006, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiddy

ANY modification from stock requires by law an engineers certificate, period.
Most coppers dont look twice at most cars with exhausts and mag wheels and things like that...
But then you get the down right pricks that are on powertrips and above everyone that will defect you for not using the stock paper filter.

That's complete nonsense. Have a look at the Vicroads website.

JeffAU1 · 10-09-2006, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crossingover

Hi guys on my way home from the roxburgh tavern tonight after dinner there was a booz bus and roadworthy inspections,You should of seen the smile on the coppers face when he saw my car signalled for me to pull in and defected me for 19 inch wheels and ride height.My car is fairly low so it was bound to happen.I need to change my rear springs was hoping someone on the forum would have some stock rear springs or just lows for au live axel also need 2 16 inch stockies with tyres preferably as i already have 2 can anyone help me out im in melb northern suburbs damn im thinking buying 19 inch wheels was a wrong move.The police were also local police from my suburb so im thinking even after putting standard wheels on and clearing defect ill pit 19s back on but these guys might just repeat the defect if they see me driving again.Also ill post in wanted section as well just was hoping by posting here ill get a quicker response.It would be great if someone can help a aff member out not expecting it for free will pay just want to soert this out hopefully by monday so i can clear defect as im currently using car for work :heres some pics of how low it is (http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...159#post924159

Sorry to hear man, but i still dunno how they defected you.

Here is a link to some docs from the NSW RTA website
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati...i/vsi_dl1.html

Read the " VSI 09 - Guidelines for alternative wheels and tyres (Nov 2003) "

Your wheels seem fine to me, but maybe im missing something :alien2:

xbgs351 · 10-09-2006, 01:04 AM

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/VSI%208.pdf

loxxr6 · 10-09-2006, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiddy

ANY modification from stock requires by law an engineers certificate, period.
Most coppers dont look twice at most cars with exhausts and mag wheels and things like that...
But then you get the down right pricks that are on powertrips and above everyone that will defect you for not using the stock paper filter.

You'd have to have real bad luck in NSW to find a cop that follows the law that badly. I've never had that prob in any of my cars.

I reckon a good percentage of people that get done have been done for attracting attention to themselves (not that I think cops are innocent all the time).

GlennBA · 10-09-2006, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by eXi7w0unD

all i can say is QLD FTW!

What he said...
I get pulled over by every booze bus i drive past and i get compliments on my car!

**Professor Farnsworth** · 10-09-2006, 04:03 AM

saturday night is defect night, that's just the way it is. For some bizarre reason we found ourselves on chapel street prahran tonight in mrsfantz' fiesta. There was a defect patrol set up about half way along the strip.. with two cops standing there looking at the cars driving past, shining torches onto the wheels etc looking for business. Probably find if we did the same thing thursday night it wouldn't be an issue. They just follow their orders.

qwigybo · 10-09-2006, 04:45 AM

man that sucks, but i reckon my BA XR is lower than that from the factory, some cops just look for an excuse, btw they can't fine you for unregistered vehicle whilst you have a canary, it stipulates you can drive the car to have the defects repaired and that would include driving back to your house

**Stav** · 10-09-2006, 09:11 AM

The legalities of tyres in NSW is that you must abide by the rta's rules.They are on the web for all to see but I dont have the site at the moment. The rule is that you can go 2 inches up and 1 inch across over standard. Assumming all other states have the same rules then an au1 really should not go more than 17" and 7.5 inch across.The exception are xr models which cam with wider rims. If you get in trouble ..the tyre placard or handbook can be used as a legal document for standard tyre sizes. My tyre placard doesnt allow me to have the ba xr8 17's I have but the handbook definately specifies an option for 17's .Hence I cover my butt.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati...i/vsi_dl1.html

here yas go
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati...vsi09_rev4.pdf

poolkeeper · 10-09-2006, 11:12 AM

But I wont 20's

justa6 · 10-09-2006, 11:25 AM

that sucks it's just a straight nice looking car and they pin you for it.my understanding on wheel's also was 2 inch bigger was legal.

Smoked · 10-09-2006, 11:46 AM

Driving home and being Smug, Real big no no.

You can probably fight it, but you somewhat got what was coming to you.

As for the business with the wheels, something about that law is scr***d.

Smoked · 10-09-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/VSI%208.pdf

Cant see where it says you need an Eng Cert. Could be arued on that point alone.

AU2PWR · 10-09-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stiddy

Its not illegal to run 19's, but its illegal to have any modification from stock without an engineers cert.
Its a stupid stupid rule, any changes on the car from factory, by law needs to have a cert and be within legal specifications. Yes even wheels.
Straight from an officers mouth.

If thats the Case , 95% of Victorian Cars are Defective

brenx · 10-09-2006, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiddy

ANY modification from stock requires by law an engineers certificate, period.
Most coppers dont look twice at most cars with exhausts and mag wheels and things like that...
But then you get the down right pricks that are on powertrips and above everyone that will defect you for not using the stock paper filter.

Incorrect. Refer to ADR and comply during the modification process and no engineers is necessary. Your allowed any rim height but the rolling diameter must not change (maybe 10%?) from memory and width (your not allowed to change the track more than 25mm from memory.

I6corp · 10-09-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brenx

Incorrect. Refer to ADR and comply during the modification process and no engineers is necessary. Your allowed any rim height but the rolling diameter must not change (maybe 10%?) from memory and width (your not allowed to change the track more than 25mm from memory.

Yeah thats what i was told.

Otherwise every car with mags is illegal.

OldManGhia · 10-09-2006, 03:48 PM

My son had a Holden Rodeo ute, lowered with 18" wheels. He was defected because the wheels where to wide and the vehicle was to low and also no door handles & no tyre placard on drivers door. He also got a $120 fine for not having an LPG sticker on his new number plates. He fixed the car and got the necessary engineers certificate. Two weeks later he was done in Qld, he produced the engineers certificate and was told that NSW engineers certificates are not vaild in Qld. He's given up and got rid of the ute.

stiddy · 10-09-2006, 03:50 PM

Im just going by what I was told by a NSW Police Officer..
It may be different between states?

**Professor Farnsworth** · 10-09-2006, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiddy

Im just going by what I was told by a NSW Police Officer..
It may be different between states?

quite possibly.. but needing an engineers cert for aftermarket wheels is the biggest load of hooey i've ever heard. I put AU "V8" badges on the EL, but it's not an AU.... i'm done for! Oh crap i just put the AFF sticker on it too.. well, off to the engineers for me!!

stiddy · 10-09-2006, 04:11 PM

LOL!! smartarse..

But I was seriously told, any modification from factory requires an engineers cert. Nothing was mentioned about compliance with ADR's either.
I just assumed he knew what he was talking about.