Australia's car industry could be reborn under a new plan to pump billions into the sector

[fgpsi]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Australia.html

[Yellow_Festiva]

We tried it and failed, how much was given prior to car companies in the hope it would work?

We simply can't compete with countries that have a workforce willing to earn 1/5th what we make while working longer hours with less entitlements and perks.

We have so many other sectors that need money. Education, healthcare, law enforcement etc...

[lumen8]

Better off building more dams and making more food and fibre.

Stick to ones strengths.

Tough to compete in the car industry.

The LHD/RHD thing was a mistake in hindsight also, in this new 'small' globalised world, we'd be better off LHD as imported cars would be less expensive for the most part. Probably too late to turn that one around though, logistical nightmare.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by lumen8

…The LHD/RHD thing was a mistake in hindsight also, in this new 'small' globalised world, we'd be better off LHD as imported cars would be less expensive for the most part. Probably too late to turn that one around though, logistical nightmare.

I’m not convinced it is so impossible as people imply. The costs of adjusting civil infrastructure would be offset by the savings of importing vehicles compliant with EU regulations.

That doesn’t mean I would like it particularly, but I believe it would represent a practical economy. The reality of it taking well over five years in preparation, is likely what would make it politically unappealing.

[hayseed]

Albanese has His hand on It.........

Nothing but a Pure Pipe Dream... No one on this Forum Will live long enough to see It Happen..

[Wretched]

Stop trying to flog this dead horse (although it is a Daily Mail "article").
Car making is not worth the effort in Australia, the market is just too small and it would require a manufacturer to take that risk and invest a lot of capital.

If manufacturing is what he wants to revitalise, how about emerging markets? Tap into the renewable market, cash cow right there.
Aren't we doing space agency? That would need manufacturing of some sort i'd imagine?

[Bossxr8]

While I approve of the plan to bring more manufacturing into the country, automotive is just a pipe dream. The horse has already bolted, the idiots on the other side of the floor saw to that.

Pump it into other areas of manufacturing instead.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Albanese has His hand on It.........

Nothing but a Pure Pipe Dream... No one on this Forum Will live long enough to see It Happen..

Albo the golden goose needs to jump onto some bandwagon to sound as if they have a plan lol.......did I say plan ?! more like pigs can fly but he'll try to gain some traction and point to Scomo what you doing

New plan to pump billions into the auto sector ???????
Pump billions into more infrastructure you moron, better rail right around the country, dams, more hospitals.
Look after our farmers, buy back some of ours land/business that has been allowed going offshore, support small business more, on and on you could go.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by lumen8

Better off building more dams and making more food and fibre.

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overpopulated counties like China and looking at Australia vast spaces and rainfall in the north.

they would have built the Dams years ago, when it would have been cheaper.

Australia could be a superpower in produce

[anobserver]

Theres zero chance of renewed manufacturing without a reliable power supply.

The wholesale rush to renewables wont cut it. Commercial users have already seen the trend and departed early.

Whyalla steelworks will be next to go. SA regularly imports electricity just to keep the lights on.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by anobserver

Theres zero chance of renewed manufacturing without a reliable power supply.

The wholesale rush to renewables wont cut it. Commercial users have already seen the trend and departed early.

Whyalla steelworks will be next to go. SA regularly imports electricity just to keep the lights on.

The massive increases in power cost is one of the reasons our manufacturing costs have increased so much over the past decade. We used to have some of the cheapest power prices in the world due to our abundance of cheap coal. Now we are one of the most expensive.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

overpopulated counties like China and looking at Australia vast spaces and rainfall in the north.



they would have built the Dams years ago, when it would have been cheaper.



Australia could be a superpower in produce

In the time we started an application, put it to public scrutiny, got in frog / snake / bat / tree and lizard psychologists to create a 1000 page report to assess the emotional impact the dam will have on them and then outsource the building and supplying of materials to the person best versed in these applications and with the most political donations (probably representing interests linked back to China) the Chinese would have built 10 dams..

And established the tourism industry to visit them.

And established the fish farms that use the stored water.

And have included hydro electric generation supplying 10 surrounding districts.

All paying off the initial infrastructure in 1/10 the expected time.

But we are the smart country.... apparently.

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[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

In the time we started an application, put it to public scrutiny, got in frog / snake / bat / tree and lizard psychologists to create a 1000 page report to assess the emotional impact the dam will have on them and then outsource the building and supplying of materials to the person best versed in these applications and with the most political donations (probably representing interests linked back to China) the Chinese would have built 10 dams..

And established the tourism industry to visit them.

And established the fish farms that use the stored water.

And have included hydro electric generation supplying 10 surrounding districts.

All paying off the initial infrastructure in 1/10 the expected time.

But we are the smart country.... apparently.

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We are becoming increasingly hamstrung by minority opinions and lack of leadership

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

We are becoming increasingly hamstrung by minority opinions and lack of leadership

yep !

There is that land across the pacific known as the land of the free.
We're the land of free speech and red tape getting efn no where !

[roKWiz]

Yeah agree its a bit late to be digging up the car maufacturing vote, Labour and Liberal nust have finally given up on high speed rail corridors between Melb / Sydney /Canberra / Brissy as a vote winner.
From memory they both wanted to spend around $40 million on a feasibilty study but you never know either one of them can save it for the next election.

[Franco Cozzo]

Maybe focus more on defence manufacturing - find more export markets for Thales Hawkei/Bushmaster and funding to develop new vehicles.

Their production facilities date to the 1940s in Bendigo.

Also infrastructure - interstate system between capital cities rather than goat track system we have currently.

[roKWiz]

Kneesy, could give all of us tax incentives to buy Aussie Brabham cars.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Albo the golden goose needs to jump onto some bandwagon to sound as if they have a plan lol.......did I say plan ?! more like pigs can fly but he'll try to gain some traction and point to Scomo what you doing

New plan to pump billions into the auto sector ???????
Pump billions into more infrastructure you moron, better rail right around the country, dams, more hospitals.
Look after our farmers, buy back some of ours land/business that has been allowed going offshore, support small business more, on and on you could go.

And this is why Federal ALP is seen as the party of perpetual opposition...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Kneesy, could give all of us tax incentives to buy Aussie Brabham cars.

That's the way they should have handled it in the past - buy a new Australian car and then you don't pay stamp duty and get free rego for 3 years or something along those lines rather than just handled out billions to manufacturers who just left the moment the tap was turned off.

Incentivise the vehicle so there was a compelling reason for Australians to buy Australian made cars rather than just the company so much.

Alas, we are here.

We still make defence vehicles, light and heavy rail locomotives though so let's try hang onto those.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

We still make defence vehicles, light and heavy rail locomotives though so let's try hang onto those.

Don't forget the Trucks, Franco..!!!

[kmav23]

Australia is making electric buses and trucks now.

Also there is a massive investment up north to provide solar power to Singapore and Indonesia via under sea Power cables.

The world is heading to all renewables, we have so much sun and land. Can supply Asia with clean energy via solar.

[CyberWasp]

It can't be stopped.
The rebirth of the Australian Car Industry has already started.
We should all go out and place a deposit......or not...

[Sprintey]

That thing looks like the bonnet of a mini, only it's coming out of the guts of another car, like the mutant Kuato in Total Recall

[Sprintey]

If you look at the dislocations to the global supply chain occurring (including the boat fail) - and extrapolate it further with potential geopolitical risk

We would be crazy not to reanimate our car industry.

It will cost more, but so does Defence doing the air warfare destroyers, finishing the LHDs, the Type 26 frigates and all the subs. The reason they do that here is it became policy to have sovereign industrial capacity for those items.

Cars - yes - but as part of an indigenous supply chain: including the electronics, drivetrains, plastics, interiors. And yes, concurrently with the electrics, the renewable energy, the Neodymium, Praseodymium etc - and throughput from mining to value adding.

Australia has always presented a unique manufacturing proposition, and GM had it down in the 1930s getting 90 different makes/models off the same basic chassis. The American method of factory production doesn't work here.

If Myanmar was a big supplier of auto parts/finished cars (like Thailand next door) - do you think their supply to us might be affected by what is going on there now?

The world oscillates between periods of globalism, and withdrawal/isolationism/protectionism. Eg prior peak, somewhere between 1905 and 1914. The current cycle has peaked, and offshore risk is rising.

It isn't just about who does it cheapest any more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common...ft_Corporation

Further, cars aren't cheaper since the local industry has gone. They've gone up, a lot. Locally manufacturing during corona in a country that eradicated the virus, there would be a lot of demand to satisfy...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

If you look at the dislocations to the global supply chain occurring (including the boat fail) - and extrapolate it further with potential geopolitical risk

We would be crazy not to reanimate our car industry.

It will cost more, but so does Defence doing the air warfare destroyers, finishing the LHDs, the Type 26 frigates and all the subs. The reason they do that here is it became policy to have sovereign industrial capacity for those items.

Cars - yes - but as part of an indigenous supply chain: including the electronics, drivetrains, plastics, interiors. And yes, concurrently with the electrics, the renewable energy, the Neodymium, Praseodymium etc - and throughput from mining to value adding.

Australia has always presented a unique manufacturing proposition, and GM had it down in the 1930s getting 90 different makes/models off the same basic chassis. The American method of factory production doesn't work here.

If Myanmar was a big supplier of auto parts/finished cars (like Thailand next door) - do you think their supply to us might be affected by what is going on there now?

The world oscillates between periods of globalism, and withdrawal/isolationism/protectionism. Eg prior peak, somewhere between 1905 and 1914. The current cycle has peaked, and offshore risk is rising.

It isn't just about who does it cheapest any more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common...ft_Corporation

Further, cars aren't cheaper since the local industry has gone. They've gone up, a lot. Locally manufacturing during corona in a country that eradicated the virus, there would be a lot of demand to satisfy...

There's rumblings around the circles that the government is interesting in localising supply chain but it's one thing to talk about it and it's another to actually pay for it.

I'm somewhat involved in this circle, I'll leave it at that.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I’m not convinced it is so impossible as people imply. The costs of adjusting civil infrastructure would be offset by the savings of importing vehicles compliant with EU regulations.

That doesn’t mean I would like it particularly, but I believe it would represent a practical economy. The reality of it taking well over five years in preparation, is likely what would make it politically unappealing.

People can’t drive on the Australian “correct side” of the road now!
What a basket case it’d be attempting to re-educate to the other side?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's the way they should have handled it in the past - buy a new Australian car and then you don't pay stamp duty and get free rego for 3 years or something along those lines rather than just handled out billions to manufacturers who just left the moment the tap was turned off.

Incentivise the vehicle so there was a compelling reason for Australians to buy Australian made cars rather than just the company so much.

Alas, we are here.

We still make defence vehicles, light and heavy rail locomotives though so let's try hang onto those.

Yep, Yet we incentivise buying Thai, Korean, Chinese built 4 door utes.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Don't forget the Trucks, Franco..!!!

I'm suspect on if Kenworth makes it another 5 years, speaking of they've just celebrated 50 years in Melbourne

https://www.trucksales.com.au/editor...-years-129172/

Lol at DAF - it would be like Maserati also selling Hyundai.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

People can’t drive on the Australian “correct side” of the road now!
What a basket case it’d be attempting to re-educate to the other side?

They need to test people more often and actually teach people properly, this 120 hours BS with Mum and Dad is junk.

Mum and Dad can't drive properly anyway and driving instructor is just interested in getting you through the 50 minute license test.

The test is drive around Sunbury for 50 minutes and do a three point turn or reverse parallel park.

The government is only interested in policing the revenue raising aspect - insane focus on 'speed' because they can make money on it. The latest TAC ad is a joke, who loses control of their BA Falcon at 85km/h and rolls it?

We have no standard for critical car parts like replacement brake pads, rotors and tyres - OEM specifies parts that meet their requirements but once you own it you can throw a set of $10 brake pads in it and then when baby bear gets away from mumma bear in the school car park, you hit the brakes and stop on baby bears spine because you saved $20 on brake pads and tyres and opted for the cheapest crap available.

Some states have yearly inspections, others don't.

You can drive around in an absolute ****box with dry rotted tyres but God forbid you're wearing a baseball cap and have a lowered SS Commodore with big wheels

They should be teaching driving at school if they took it seriously - it's a huge part of everyone's life.

I look forward to taking the bus to work if they crack down

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

they would have built the Dams years ago, when it would have been cheaper.

The Libs revised Bradfield scheme was well worth a feasibility study, but because the idea came from the Libs, it was sh1tcanned by any non-Lib voter. This country is too partisan for its own good.