Tungsten Carbide Rotors - Porsche Invention

[Franco Cozzo]

Looks interesting, mid way point between traditional cast iron rotor and carbon ceramic rotor.

10 piston caliper, special pads and negligible dust.

[383hq]

Well a Porsche branded lithium ion battery is north of $5k to save a kg or two, so I'd guess RRP will be about $10k -
halfway between the great feel of CI rotors and the $15-19K+ carbon ceramics for those that don't like cleaning wheels.

[XRtowcar]

Saw that the other day.
As Euro cars have higher wear on rotors and pads would they need replacement at 100k like typical?
Imagine going in for a 100k service and coming out $20k Aus poorer to replace rotors and pads.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Saw that the other day.
As Euro cars have higher wear on rotors and pads would they need replacement at 100k like typical?
Imagine going in for a 100k service and coming out $20k Aus poorer to replace rotors and pads.

Seems to be very strong - rotor needs to be replaced once it wears down 0.1mm but apparently that coating is very durable.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by 383hq

Well a Porsche branded lithium ion battery is north of $5k to save a kg or two, so I'd guess RRP will be about $10k -
halfway between the great feel of CI rotors and the $15-19K+ carbon ceramics for those that don't like cleaning wheels.

At around 8:50 in the video he breaks down the prices.

Front + rear - rotors, pads, clips and sensors.

Standard cast iron - $2343
Tungsten Carbide - $11095
Carbon Ceramic - $32207.

Supply only - in USD.

Really?? Hate to think what they would be here - considering that automotive stuff in the US is generally quite cheap.

What cars come with carbon ceramic rotors as standard - curious to know their RRP compared to the cost of these parts.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

At around 8:50 in the video he breaks down the prices.

Front + rear - rotors, pads, clips and sensors.

Standard cast iron - $2343
Tungsten Carbide - $11095
Carbon Ceramic - $32207.

Supply only - in USD.

Really?? Hate to think what they would be here - considering that automotive stuff in the US is generally quite cheap.

What cars come with carbon ceramic rotors as standard - curious to know their RRP compared to the cost of these parts.

Things like Lamborghini Huracan Evo - $459K

I guess putting it in perspective Ford quoted me $785 for two rotors and a set of pads fitted to the old man's Fiesta ST and thats on a car that had an RRP of sub $30K.

Found a second hand Ferrari 488 rotor on Ebay located here in Australia - just under $2600

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ferrari-...frcectupt=true

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Things like Lamborghini Huracan Evo - $459K

That's it, I'm cancelling my order.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

That's it, I'm cancelling my order.

I suspect mere mortals such as us will not have cars with carbon ceramic brakes

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I suspect mere mortals such as us will not have cars with carbon ceramic brakes

What about something with a ceramic painted 316 SS exhaust

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-3630166/?Cr=0

Owning that will allow me to pi$$ with the big boys for sure

[arronm]

There has been carbon ceramic clutches for years. I run a twin plate.

Forget about fancy composites , cast iron discs and carbon pads work just fine. Who cares about dust just wash your wheels.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by arronm

There has been carbon ceramic clutches for years. I run a twin plate.

Forget about fancy composites , cast iron discs and carbon pads work just fine. Who cares about dust just wash your wheels.

You think people wouldn't care about dust but its the first thing everyone has a bloody sook about in the parts game - are they dusty?

Yeah they're dusty but the car actually ****ing stops.

Sorry I want dust free pads

[fnp]

My main issue with these kind of brake setups is do the people who buy cars with them actually track the cars, especially things like a diesel Cayenne. If you're punishing your brakes hard enough to require tungsten carbide or carbon ceramics on the street you're going way too hard, and I bet nobody actually is.

[XR Martin]

Audi rs3 has carbon ceramics

About $15k for everything.
https://www.killerbrakes.com/product...-370x34mm-new/


Which isn't bad really, the brakes on my Sprint are $7.5k for the set on ebay (genuine)

[383hq]

PCCB (Carbon ceramic) option on a new Cayman is $15k, and about $20K on a 992 turbo (price hasn't changed in over a decade in Australia)

Somewhere there is a stock broker or real estate that must have.

Track junkies are fine with cast iron/Girodisc aftermarket with just a little extra unsprung weight - they tend to care not about the dust.

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

At around 8:50 in the video he breaks down the prices.

Front + rear - rotors, pads, clips and sensors.

Standard cast iron - $2343
Tungsten Carbide - $11095
Carbon Ceramic - $32207.

Supply only - in USD.

Really?? Hate to think what they would be here - considering that automotive stuff in the US is generally quite cheap.

What cars come with carbon ceramic rotors as standard - curious to know their RRP compared to the cost of these parts.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

At around 8:50 in the video he breaks down the prices.

Front + rear - rotors, pads, clips and sensors.

Standard cast iron - $2343
Tungsten Carbide - $11095
Carbon Ceramic - $32207.

Supply only - in USD.

Really?? Hate to think what they would be here - considering that automotive stuff in the US is generally quite cheap.

What cars come with carbon ceramic rotors as standard - curious to know their RRP compared to the cost of these parts.

Carbon Ceramics are supposed to last the life of the car though aren't they? In theory they should never need replacing.

[M&Ms]

Not sold on the 'Porsche Invention' to be honest.

Carbon Brakes (under regular use) are good for 100k miles / 160k km. This is 3 to 4 times longer than steel brakes. The tungsten solution, at steel +30%, is still a far way away from carbon ceramics.

I was in 2 minds about the option for my car, at approx. $11.5k from memory, but given that I do <10,000km per year, I'll probably go the entire 3 years with my car without changing out the steel brakes anyway.

Advantages to the Ceramic brakes are low dust, and larger rotors (390mm vs. 360mm which fill out the wheels nicely), and the performance gain (when hot!).

The biggest risk with ceramic brakes though, is getting them chipped (by a piece of debris or even a rock during driving), or by incompetent tyre shops, and the cost of replacing components is horrific (usually costs more to replace rotors and pads than the option price when new, by a factor of 1.5 - 2.0). You also need to remove them and weigh them during service to see whether or not they need replacing, can't do a simple thickness measurement, and then they have the obvious poor cold performance, they really need to be in the zone.

If you're not tracking the car, then large, steel rotors are more than adequate for most people. For hardcore track work, you're better off with steel anyway.

The Tunstens feel like a fad that will just fizzle, there's no aftermarket for them, pads are specialised, and brake rotors are not supposed to look like a mirror IMO! I can see them dying out.

More impressive though, is that we now have 10-pot rotors!

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Carbon Ceramics are supposed to last the life of the car though aren't they? In theory they should never need replacing.

No clue, it's all conglish to me. I get my discs and pads from Supercheap when on sale for slightly more than the Korean BBQ dinner I had last week with my family.

Carbon ceramics?? Tungsten Carbide coating?? LoL

I probably know more about fois gras jus infused with truffles...

Meh.

Now I'm hungry...

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[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Carbon Ceramics are supposed to last the life of the car though aren't they? In theory they should never need replacing.

not exactly, my understanding is they do need to be replaced at some stage (more so if you do a lot of track work) even Brembo have changed their documented lifespan of these.

Brembo used to promote its SGL carbon ceramics as lasting 100,000 miles. The company has changed the wording on the page to say they have "a four times longer lifetime and an obviously less brake pad wear" than cast iron discs. Your mileage would certainly vary.

I remember hearing a couple of items that the only accurate way to determine when the rotor needs to be replaced is by a sheen on the rotor and by weighing them.

[Chopped]

My mechanic had a Lamborghini Huracan in for front ceramic brakes two weeks ago.
Two rotors and pads, 23k. Almost 10.5k per rotor (ouch).
A few vigorous laps around the block and he said the rotors were still cold to touch.

Speaking of Porsche, Macan S front rotors, pads, 2k (at a Porsche dealership)
Vehicle has only done 36k...
But seems cheap compared to the Lambo!