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30-05-2014, 07:20 PM | #1 | ||
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Gday all. Well I never thought Id be one of those people that started a petition, but with the finish of FPV and the sold-out status of the GT-F, I am seriously surprised at the lack of a ute variant for the XR8 in the final falcon when its released. With the XR6 and turbo utes still available, I wouldnt have thought it to be a crazy idea to release the final XR8 as a ute also. The ute platform is there, the engine is there, the interior is there, surely it wouldnt be an expensive operation to do the V8 also. On a personal note, I am hoping to finally upgrade/renew my ute, and after failing to get one of the Pursuit utes, I would love the possibility of getting my hands on one last V8 ute before they bury it for good. So, I finally decided, what harm would it do to test other Ford fans and ute supporters interest and you never know, if there is enough of an interest, Ford might decide to have a change of heart on the matter. The petition is done, it has been published online, however if anyone has any advice on what email address would be the best to notify Ford of the petition? (even the big bosses email at Ford if anyone has that on the downlow!)
Only early days, but hey if ya dont ask, you'll never know Cheers Paul The link to the petition if ya want to get on it is: http://chn.ge/1oQ4Vzq |
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30-05-2014, 07:30 PM | #2 | ||
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I'm not saying there will be one or not. But!, you would think that there would be a special limited run or something. its just a matter of fitting the driveline to a xr6 turbo ute and putting the matching seats and badges on. I can't see it being a no no. the v8's and Turbo 6's share the same tranny.
I'll just say this. I wonder how many of those GT-F's will be driven. some old coot buys one and just stores it away and brags about it. just for the money value. sad really. I've got a mate that drives a xb gt as a daily driver. its been restored. he just says that its a car and you drive cars. im with him on that. Last edited by dirtyclevo; 30-05-2014 at 07:39 PM. |
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30-05-2014, 07:36 PM | #3 | ||
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Im with you mate, my ute gets driven every day, and that would have been the purpose of the pursuit if I could have gotten one. Kind of a waste to have such a great drivers car and not be used.
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30-05-2014, 07:59 PM | #4 | ||
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Australia is about to lose a great thing with death of local manufacturing. The Aussie ute.
Think about the amazing utes we build and have built in this country. From our base model 6 cylinder work horses, to our performance turbo and V8 sleds and the stunning FPV and HSV flagships, F6, Pursuit and Maloo. We are about to loose these amazing vehicles forever. No one else in the world makes cars like these. No one. Loosing commodore and falcon sedans is sad but there's a lot of great sedans made all over the world. But nobody makes utes like we do. Sure there's plenty of great trucks out there and many of them, like the Ranger, are good rigs. But I don't like them. They don't go, handle or stop anything like an F6 or Maloo ute. The Aussie V8 ute is our heritage and it will be lost forever. Very sad. I've never actually owned a V8 ute but I did buy a new BA XR6 turbo ute. I had a blast in that thing. Just a joy to own. I would look at a XR8 ute if it became available. Like you say, it's all there. Just bolt it together. S/c v8 ute would be great, and be a keeper I think. |
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30-05-2014, 09:22 PM | #5 | ||
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The problem is engine supply. They can't build enough of them, and apparently Ford have already stockpiled 6 speed ZF's for the V8's and turbos, so there will not be enough autos to go around either. Something had to give.
But I think they should have done an XR8 ute. |
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30-05-2014, 09:33 PM | #6 | ||
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Yeah I was hoping to get one if they made one.
So now its either an SS ute or XR8 sedan
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30-05-2014, 09:39 PM | #7 | ||
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I doubt that the fh xr6 turbo ute will be a patch on my xr50t ute? And no xr8 ute.
Looks like maloo for me, which will bloody hurt like hell..
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30-05-2014, 10:19 PM | #8 | ||
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I know it's a long shot, but it's worth a crack, sign the petition and we'll see how we go. At the end of the day, Ford are still a business and if something is in demand enough, it makes it more viable.
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30-05-2014, 11:48 PM | #9 | ||
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NOTHING Ford has done lately makes any sense.
They discontinue the GT (now being built by Ford) but will keep making at as the XR8? I think one of the problems is compliance, with Euro 6, etc. I gather they have to separately comply the Ute & Sedan. |
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31-05-2014, 12:35 AM | #11 | ||
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The time for a petition was when they actually made them and everyone had the opportunity to buy as many as they wanted. Not many did and the rest is history...
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31-05-2014, 12:58 AM | #12 | ||
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31-05-2014, 02:14 AM | #13 | |||
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The 5.4 was a bit of a dud if you ask me. It was a bit more lively with the later 315 tune but the damage was done by then. But this XR8 should be a cracker. |
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31-05-2014, 05:25 AM | #14 | |||
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plus how many of those 5 would be willing to buy a brand new one if they were produced as you request? |
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31-05-2014, 10:02 AM | #15 | ||
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31-05-2014, 11:03 AM | #16 | |||
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Driven correctly, the 5.4 XR8s absolutely fly, and go ballistic over 3500 RPM, revving hard & fast to the 6000 Rpm redline / cutout, although they do require a slightly different driving style - they do not respond well to idiots just mindlessly planting the Go pedal to the metal (which unfortunately, is what most do) - without some finessing - throttle modulation. Driven incompetently, it dies in the **** with too much go pedal too soon. And with 500 - 550Nm, there is more than enough Torque down low to easily lay rubber with both 8" wheels without even trying - and mine is only a 260 (XR8). Let me quote someone of 2014Falcon Supporters FB (yesterday) - who is absolutely spot on: Scott Keith Pepper : "Everyone knocks the Boss 5.4 but most of them have never driven one and only go off reports from others that don't know how to drive them properly. The 5.4 Boss doesn't make any great power until 3500-RPM, although it still has very good low end power and cruses around hardly ever over 2500-RPM. It is very capable of laying rubber 1st & 2nd gear if you plant it from a stand still. The engine really comes alive when it reaches 3500-RPM and just keeps pulling harder and harder all the way to the 6000-RPM red line cut out, my experience with fairly standard V8's over the years is that it's typical of a high revving high top end powered V8 and very similar characteristics of the old 4V clevo and the 302 clevo, you had to flog the crap out for them for it to perform. The Holden V8 made good low end power and nothing up top, the Chevy v8 made good mid-range power but had less up top than the clevo. The Boss engine basically has a tunnel ram type set up incorporated into it’s inlet manifold, it's an extreme long way for the air to go until it reaches the cylinder, it needs some engine speed to create air flow velocity for it all to start flowing correctly. You can re-cam them if required and this gives them much better performance, but that's not cheep either. Personally I think it's fine and with 349hp you just have to find it's power range...it's not for jokers who don't know how to drive such an engine, when it starts making power it comes on really hard and with nice low toque to putt around on its economical when cruising. Yes there a heavy car and it's not a turbo....no ****........ I've had mine at some unbelievable speeds, it's a very fast highway car and anything from 80kph to over 200kph at full noise with the 6 speed auto it just gets faster and faster, it would leave most average performance cars for dead.....tried and tested.... drive it like you stole it and there’s no issues at all. The Boss 260 is only the start of the Boss series and still quite capable of keeping up with the current VE-VF 270 kw no worries, let alone the Boss 290 (389hp) - Boss 315 (422hp) So anyone that tells you the 5.4L Boss is ****, has no idea what they’re talking about." Last edited by stevefreestyle; 31-05-2014 at 11:10 AM. |
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However Ford could have just re-badged the GS Ute as an XR8 - only with 315 Kw. There is a precedent for this with the AUII & III 220 Kw XR8 Sedan, when the XR8 Ute kept the previous 200 Kw motor (never got the 220 Kw motor). |
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31-05-2014, 11:31 AM | #18 | ||
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luckily i love my xr8 ute (BF) as i'm not in a position to replace it atm.
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Mate, I'm a ford mechanic. I have driven every performance ford since Au(except the RS Focus). Have you driven a 335 GT or even the old 5.4 315 GT? What about a FG F6? The 315kw 5.4 FPV engine is pretty good. It feels alive compared to the ho-hum dead tune of the 260 kW XR8. I think the 260 is really killed by the overprotective software. Go and drive a new GT and then tell me how good your xr8 is. |
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31-05-2014, 05:06 PM | #21 | |||
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31-05-2014, 05:22 PM | #22 | |||
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The problem reamins, that all other things being equal, XR8 production will be limited only by their production of Miami engines. It is simplest for them to continue producing the 335 only, and that eliminates the Ute (which has only been complied to 315kw.) If the new FZ Falcon requires more compliance, then thats another nail in the V8 Ute coffin. |
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31-05-2014, 09:09 PM | #23 | ||
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A dealer was telling me that there was an xR8 ute coming out whist discussing the GS today.
So either they know something we don't, or he was full of something brown and smelly.. |
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BFYOOT.........mate if you really would like the pursuit ring around a heap of dealers and let them know you want one. I take it all are sold but let em' know if anyone's finance falls through to give you a call asap.............a dealer I spoke to has already said they're expecting finances to fall through on a few come 'pay up' time. Good luck .....cheers
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01-06-2014, 10:48 AM | #27 | ||
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Mmmmm. I signed it but I'm in two minds. I have my name down for a Pursuit but only because the FH won't have an XR8 ute. I wanted a V8 ute again, FH xr6 will not do. So an FH XR8 would be the last of not the car I've ordered. First world problems.
2015 would have suited me better. I bought a BA 5.4 new and it was fantastic.
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