Territory (nameplate) to continue post 2016?

P6LTD351 · 25-05-2013, 09:47 PM

I have been told by someone at Ford that the Territory nameplate will continue post 2016 as it has a good following with the general public.

How, you ask?

Made in Thailand and imported back into Australia.

Not saying this is gospel, but seemed to make sense.

babyf6 · 25-05-2013, 10:07 PM

The free trade agreement that, in part, brought upon the demise of local manufacturing, will be used to sell us back our own car.... Seems very probable unfortunately

TMC · 25-05-2013, 10:15 PM

That's how it will happen. It will be either a new diesel less than 3L due to the Thai tax requirements, and maybe an Ecoboost engine of some sort. I6 will be gone I think. The cost for Thailand customers will plummet though I doubt our prices will plummet.

FalconXV · 25-05-2013, 10:24 PM

Did they even send another batch after that 100? It would need to gain more traction there first wouldn't it? Good idea though, if it's an aspirational flagship now, bringing the price down would make it popular.
What would be great is if it's an evolution of the current platform!
I won't believe it unless they start local assembly before 2016, but I guess some of the tooling would need to be shipped, unless its an all new model?

rdmr · 25-05-2013, 10:26 PM

This has me interested too. Ford are quick to say the Falcon name will be retired but are very vague when it comes to the Territory name.

P6LTD351 · 25-05-2013, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rdmr

This has me interested too. Ford are quick to say the Falcon name will be retired but are very vague when it comes to the Territory name.

Exactly. Ford aren't ready to give up on the Territory name. It's been good for them and it has built a good following.

b2tf · 25-05-2013, 10:45 PM

I wonder if we will get the Everest rebadged as a Territory instead. Very similar vehicle.

**Luke Plaizier** · 25-05-2013, 10:52 PM

Ranger based 'Territory' seems plausible.

Brazen · 25-05-2013, 10:54 PM

No way will Territory be based on Ranger. The Ranger based SUV will be different to the next gen Territory.

Bossxr8 · 25-05-2013, 11:05 PM

They will probably just slap the Territory badge on whatever imported junk they replace it with, like an Edge or Explorer.

The Ranger SUV will be out before Territory finishes so they can't stick the name on 2 models, unless its like the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport. Territory and Territory Sport?

Crazy Dazz · 25-05-2013, 11:28 PM

http://youtu.be/shs7VQhVvxA

Road_Warrior · 26-05-2013, 12:33 AM

We'll get the next gen Ford Edge rebadged as a Territory most likely.

AG3 · 26-05-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

We'll get the next gen Ford Edge rebadged as a Territory most likely.

The Edge is a smaller Murano like 5-seater, would this make more sense than perhaps the next generation Explorer which will basically be a more SUV-ish 7-seater version of the next Edge?

If it were to be made in Thailand... it does make more sense that it could be a rebadged next generation Everest.

PS: Ford Everest replacement test mule

The current generation Everest

distortion · 26-05-2013, 10:29 AM

Should have a poll "who will buy another imported rebadged car from a country who contributed to the downfall of Ford AUS"

FalconXV · 26-05-2013, 11:23 AM

I reckon it will be next Exploder based, with Austrlian input, and hopefully design.

AG3 · 26-05-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by distortion

Should have a poll "who will buy another imported rebadged car from a country who contributed to the downfall of Ford AUS"

It's not Thailand's fault that the large Australian Fords have a limited market while small cars and diesel utility vehicles manufactured by Ford in Thailand are popular around the Asia-Pacific region (common market segments around the region).

TMC · 26-05-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AG3

It's not Thailand's fault that the large Australian Fords have a limited market while small cars and diesel utility vehicles manufactured by Ford in Thailand are popular around the Asia-Pacific region (common market segments around the region).

All I can say is this to this comment.

One way free trade agreement with Thailand that our Gov signed too quickly effectively allowing Thailand full access to our market and Australia no access to Thailand's market.

AG3 · 26-05-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TMC

All I can say is this to this comment.

One way free trade agreement with Thailand that our Gov signed too quickly effectively allowing Thailand full access to our market and Australia no access to Thailand's market.

Even if they had full access to the Thai market, Ford Australia has no models that can be sold in high volumes in Thailand or ASEAN in general. This is a market of diesel Utility vehicles and Fiesta and Focus-sized cars.

Example:
The small car segment exists in both Australia and Thailand.
The large car segment exists in Australia (shrinking), but is almost non existent in Thailand (where a Camry with a 2.5L engine is considered large.)

cobramania · 26-05-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TMC

All I can say is this to this comment.

One way free trade agreement with Thailand that our Gov signed too quickly effectively allowing Thailand full access to our market and Australia no access to Thailand's market.

Just about all free trade agreements with all countries are one way. The only thing partly in our favour is countries that buy or Coal, Iron ore & Uranium exports, & that's basically what they were set for.
We manufacture very little now, & export even less, it's all imports (one way not in our favour).

This might be the lucky country, but when we stop the mining &/or others don't want our minerals any more, Australia is screwed, & we'll be facing a bigger crisis than Greece.

malazn mafia · 26-05-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AG3

Even if they had full access to the Thai market, Ford Australia has no models that can be sold in high volumes in Thailand or ASEAN in general. This is a market of diesel Utility vehicles and Fiesta and Focus-sized cars.

Example:
The small car segment exists in both Australia and Thailand.
The large car segment exists in Australia (shrinking), but is almost non existent in Thailand (where a Camry with a 2.5L engine is considered large.)

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Originally Posted by anthGT335

I wouldn't hold my breath on the wiseco 5.8 block Softy. There are more issues than just releasing the block. It has been a good 2 years since they made their intentions known and it still hasn't made it to market... must be something wrong they haven't been able to get past yet with the pistons or crank or durability of the combo. I would be more inclined to go straight for the MMR sleeved block and build with that. It is a shame I had already purchased my 2013 block otherwise I would have that one for sure.

Anth

Since when do we owe third world countries and nations like GoGoBarGirlLand, Korea and Japan a living? Any way we can protest to have import tariffs on all imported vehicles. 15% income tax reduction across the board, 200% or 100% tax on all imported cars. Watch the surplus roll in. Each one of these nations imposed exactly the same thing to protect their local industry to get to where they are now. How about we give them a taste of their own medicine. The reason why their gear is so cheap here and we have such a large model mix is probably all the reject models they couldn't sell overseas get dumped in Australia, much like all the cheap clearance special gadgets and computers we get all the time. One more Hyundai, Kia, beep-beep Barina, corroder, LEts eXport to US, etc, I'll be sick. If the consumer really love that pair of High-Undies i30 or whatever so much, let them vote with their wallets.

TMC · 26-05-2013, 04:17 PM

This is how it works in Thailand, as explained to me by a Thai person when I was over there.

Suppose a car manufacturer (ie Ford) wants access to the Thailand marketplace, they must get permission from the King of Thailand. If the King of Thailand says "yes, you can sell cars in Thailand" there is a stipulation that the cars MUST be manufactured in Thailand. Then there is an extra stipulation that you can employ foreign workers, but for every foreign worker employed, you must employ 4 local Thai people.

This is not free trade by definition because for an Australian manufacturer it rules out any export potential at all.

The 100 Territory's that went over last year was I think to allow the key figures in Thailand to test the vehicles out and explore the likelihood of manufacturing them in Thailand. Thailand is not an importer.

BTW, for those who haven't been to Thailand in a while, it's not a backward rickshaw riding with the occasional donkey style of asian country. There are more new cars over there than here in Oz. Everything is new, cars are cheap, the government gives you your first car tax free, Thailand is booming with technology, business and manufacture.

Smoke Pursuit · 26-05-2013, 04:19 PM

I hope they do build Territory there on the current underpinnings!

Chuck the 3.0litre disco motor in and wolah!

Road_Warrior · 26-05-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

I hope they do build Territory there on the current underpinnings!

Chuck the 3.0litre disco motor in and wolah!

Well, the 2014 update has something being done powertrain-wise, don't know what, but it would be cool if the single turbo 3.0 found its way in.

galaxy xr8 · 26-05-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Well, the 2014 update has something being done powertrain-wise, don't know what, but it would be cool if the single turbo 3.0 found its way in.

Where did you hear this from, is this official ?.

wodahs · 26-05-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by distortion

Should have a poll "who will buy another imported rebadged car from a country who contributed to the downfall of Ford AUS"

I will to replace my explorer , would have replaced it with a territory but they don't have a large enough diesel motor for my needs

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They will probably just slap the Territory badge on whatever imported junk they replace it with, like an Edge or Explorer.

The Ranger SUV will be out before Territory finishes so they can't stick the name on 2 models, unless its like the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport. Territory and Territory Sport?

I recon it'd be the explorer
as that's what the teri was based from just like the falcons origin was a us base vehicle

what ever it is hope they have a larger than 3ltr motor and may be the 8spd auto up from the 6

XR Martin · 27-05-2013, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

I wonder if we will get the Everest rebadged as a Territory instead. Very similar vehicle.

Yeah just as Kluger is very similar to a Prado.

turbodewd · 27-05-2013, 10:22 AM

Keeping the Territory name is a good idea. Its a great seller. Most punters have no idea where their cars are made. Most dont care either.

my_gxl · 27-05-2013, 10:34 AM

The territory needs a boss motor...

Vesper Martini · 27-05-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Yeah just as Kluger is very similar to a Prado.

Exactly, its a road based SUV vs solid chassis 4WD if we get the Everest platform I dont think it will sell well here.
hows Holdens Colorado7 doing?
I like the idea of the Explorer as its more road SUV based but I think whatever we get it will be manufactured in Thailand.

TMC · 27-05-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wodahs

I will to replace my explorer , would have replaced it with a territory but they don't have a large enough diesel motor for my needs

I recon it'd be the explorer
as that's what the teri was based from just like the falcons origin was a us base vehicle

what ever it is hope they have a larger than 3ltr motor and may be the 8spd auto up from the 6

The Territory was based on the first BMW X5. Even some of the parts are the same. But of course it was Fordified. The Explorer back window looks similar to the Territory. Explorer suspension is totally different to the Territory.