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16-03-2013, 07:57 PM | #1 | ||
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Yesterday my young son was defected (minor - only needs to show up at station with repair done) because his old car did not have mud flaps on the rear. This was in Adelaide, South Australia. I thought this was a joke but sure enough, Regency Park Inspection center requires mud flaps.
Then I noticed that many newer cars do not come with mud flaps - what gives? Indeed, my 2012 Maxima does not have mud flaps - does this mean I was sold a vehicle that is not roadworthy under SA law? Sure enough, all of SA Police Commodores have mud flaps installed on them. I am confused, the law seems pretty clear about mud flaps in SA, but many new dealerships sell mud flaps as an option. Can they do this? Or is there something that says that modern plastic rear ends are technically one big mud flap! Confused in the land of the crows!
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16-03-2013, 08:02 PM | #2 | ||
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Mudflaps are an aftermarket item & dont come standard. I'd fight it..
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16-03-2013, 08:03 PM | #3 | ||
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Government cars have them for resale, less marks and scratches when they are sent off for auction.
There is no requirement for rear mudflaps, do we know everything? Is it a light commercial vehicle or light truck or 4wd - where the body sits higher off the ground which covers less tyre. |
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16-03-2013, 08:07 PM | #4 | ||
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The tyre has to be covered to a point no more then 300mm off the ground. Cars do this by their design.
Tray back utes , 4x4's etc dont so they need mud flaps. Ive been done before for no mud flaps on my 4x4. |
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16-03-2013, 08:09 PM | #5 | ||
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I was under the impression 4wd's had to have mudflaps, but passenger cars, id say nope given so many cars dont have it..
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16-03-2013, 08:09 PM | #6 | ||
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Yeah, he was driving a tray top.
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16-03-2013, 08:12 PM | #7 | ||
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16-03-2013, 08:45 PM | #8 | ||
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That would be your reason then a lot of stuff can flick up off the road with no mud flaps on a 4x4.
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17-03-2013, 07:14 AM | #9 | ||
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ADR 15.2.4 Wheel guards may consist of either permanent body structure or part structure and other components, including mud flaps, provided the specified protection is retained during vehicle operation.
ADR 15.2.5 states that: Notwithstanding the requirements specified above (groups of axles) the wheel gaurd including a mud flap (if fitted) need not be less than 230mm from the ground for other than off- road vehicles, or 300mm in the case of vehicles designed for off- road operation. ADR15.3.2 The wheels of a vehicle and the wheel of a side car must be fitted with wheel guards of width not less than the section width of the tyre. The wheel guards must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as practicable, against thrown up stones,mud, ice snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels. Stolen from another forum
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17-03-2013, 08:34 AM | #10 | |||
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see http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L03056 It would seem that many new vehicles have failed to comply with this standard.
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17-03-2013, 08:50 AM | #11 | ||
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Best thing about no mudflaps on my 4x4.... No tail gaters!
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17-03-2013, 10:56 AM | #12 | |||
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I'd be fitting some mudflaps, get the defect removed and move on....Don't even argue with the cop over it, otherwise they'll get nastier and try for other things...ie more defects
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17-03-2013, 11:19 AM | #13 | ||
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17-03-2013, 11:27 AM | #14 | |||
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17-03-2013, 11:29 AM | #15 | ||
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No regard for other road users is a major problem on the roads today.
Maybe you wouldn't have tailgaters if you drove at the speed limit and kept left when no overtaking. I don't get tailgated and I stick to these simple rules. |
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17-03-2013, 11:29 AM | #16 | |||
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17-03-2013, 11:37 AM | #17 | |||
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17-03-2013, 11:45 AM | #18 | ||
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Police are human and do show emotion, it is possible that he was having a bad day or just dealt with several rude people before hand, but many fail to realise that a good attitude can help with the Policemans final actions, a lot of people start with the negative attitude towards the police straight away.
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17-03-2013, 11:51 AM | #19 | |||
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Anyway, very interesting to learn about these mudflap rules, since I like them so much. |
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17-03-2013, 11:56 AM | #20 | ||
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That explains it. You need mud flaps.
Go fit some and get the defect cleared, no biggie. Hopefully you get defected soon, as we don't need people inconsiderate to other road users on the road.
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17-03-2013, 02:31 PM | #21 | |||
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Because I think most tailgaters do it just to get their jollies out of ****ing people off. And even if that isnt the case & they are tailgating for the reason you provide, how does that make them any better? Im not defending the post youre quoting, because yes that is inconsiderate as well. |
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17-03-2013, 02:38 PM | #22 | |||
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17-03-2013, 02:39 PM | #23 | |||
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it is all about consideration - i have held up some, like everyone would have, but i do make a huge effort to move over and let others passed it isn't up to me to drive 3 abreast with others while stopping anyone else from getting passed - i try and let traffic flow, not bunch it up |
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17-03-2013, 02:53 PM | #24 | ||
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You all good. I wonder how many other passenger vehicles would not pass the 230mm rule.
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17-03-2013, 03:15 PM | #25 | ||
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And here is me thinking the salesman was full of it when I wanted to order XR-6 ute with no rear mud-spat, and he told me it wouldn't be road worthy.
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17-03-2013, 07:24 PM | #26 | |||
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So yes, starting with a good attitude to begin with, generally helps the coppers get over any previous bad attitude drivers....and keep the good attitude up, whilse on the side of the road.....saves standing there for a long time...even for a licence, rego and breath check....
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17-03-2013, 07:28 PM | #27 | ||
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Not tailgating doesn't mean a rock won't get flicked up and take a windscreen out.....The mudflaps are designed to deflect the rocks downwards...It also reduces the chances of the rock being flung at any other traffic on the road.
So I can see the reasoning behind having them and why the coppers would defect for not having them...
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A wheel alignment fixes everything, when it comes to front end issues. This includes any little noises. Please read the manual carefully, as the these manufacturers spent millions of dollars making sure it is perfect.....Now why are there so many problems with my car, when I follow the instructions to the letter?....Answer, majority rules round here Lock me up and throw away the key because I'm a hoon....I got caught doing 59 in a 60 zone |
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17-03-2013, 07:33 PM | #28 | |||
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Yes, because no one blatantly speeds and sits on your butt no matter how fast you go...
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17-03-2013, 07:37 PM | #29 | ||
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Grinzy must have joined the police force.
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17-03-2013, 08:06 PM | #30 | ||
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I am buying a new 4x4 and not looing forward to buying mud spats, cost is $660 for the 4 of them.
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