B triples coming to a Hume near you....

[Outbackjack]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-3...trucks/4447458

Looks like the Hume will become far more dangerous than it already is. Why are all our state Gumbyments so prone to making lunatic descisions like this. The way that last rear trailer on these things wanders all over the road is scary..... We have them out here all over the place and they are OK as there is stuff all traffic on the hiways. But I just cant see these things being safe on such a busy hiway like the hume...

[Full Noise]

I think you’re confusing B triples with triple road trains, a whole different kettle of fish.

A B triple doesn’t track any differently from a B double.

While I’m against B triples on anything other than existing road train routes, they certainly sit on the road and behave well.

I am against B triples on the Hume purely for economic reasons. Look at what B doubles have done to rates? B triples will further erode the small profit margin and it’s only parasites like Fox and Toll who will be using them anyway.

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Looks like the Hume will become far more dangerous than it already is.

Who says that it’s dangerous? The Hume would be one of the safest highways in the country when you take into account the traffic volumes and kilometres travelled. The sky will not fall in just because there’s a B triple trial.

In fact, I’d say that 99.999999% of people wouldn’t even notice the difference if there wasn’t a bloody sign on the back of the thing telling people how long they are.

Ask how many people notice the CEVA B triples that travel between the Ford plants, Geelong and Broadmeadows? Most wouldn’t even notice them and I’d say that the traffic volumes on the Geelong freeway and the Ring road are far greater than the Hume.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I think you’re confusing B triples with triple road trains, a whole different kettle of fish.

A B triple doesn’t track any differently from a B double.

While I’m against B triples on anything other than existing road train routes, they certainly sit on the road and behave well.

I am against B triples on the Hume purely for economic reasons. Look at what B doubles have done to rates? B triples will further erode the small profit margin and it’s only parasites like Fox and Toll who will be using them anyway.

Who says that it’s dangerous? The Hume would be one of the safest highways in the country when you take into account the traffic volumes and kilometres travelled. The sky will not fall in just because there’s a B triple trial.

In fact, I’d say that 99.999999% of people wouldn’t even notice the difference if there wasn’t a bloody sign on the back of the thing telling people how long they are.

Ask how many people notice the CEVA B triples that travel between the Ford plants, Geelong and Broadmeadows? Most wouldn’t even notice them and I’d say that the traffic volumes on the Geelong freeway and the Ring road are far greater than the Hume.

The B triples I am reffering to are the ones that the rear "carraige" swings about 1 metre each side when travelling at a constant speed. I see them on the hiways out here all the time. If the truckie knows that you are behind him/her and that you are about to pass they accellerate breifly which straigtens the last "carraige" up while you get past. Given the amout of traffic on the Hume I cant see this being a viable option for the truckie. Also when you consider how long these things take to stop?? There is a formula there for a real disaster. Especially when you see how some truck drivers drive....

This country really needs to invest into rail transport where ever possible. The more trucks off the road the better off we will all be.

[Agent86]

You are referencing road trains.

B combinations do not wander as described. They track on the hiway much as a single trailer will. They only offtrack more when turning.

[Jim Goose]

Yup big difference to a B tripple and a road train... try passing a 4 trailer road train which used to run to Charters towers regularly. Now that was exciting stuff when the rear trailer was swinging all over the place.

[hess]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

This country really needs to invest into rail transport where ever possible. The more trucks off the road the better off we will all be.

You need to get you're head out of the clouds mate. Trucks run this country. Think about everything you buy. Fuel food and other items only get to shops by trucks. The amount of money it would take for trains to run is unbelievable.

[JoshXR]

You will find they will be used for light weight high cube freight similar to the ceva triples used in Melbourne

They will not increase the over all mass limits that you can carry

[MercurySilver]

could imagine aci carting double stacked pallets of glass from where we are on triples LOL

we load a lot of trucks fro rail
loaded at our site and then down the rail yard, drop the back off and its put on a train
trucks keep this country flowing quickly

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by hess

You need to get you're head out of the clouds mate. Trucks run this country. Think about everything you buy. Fuel food and other items only get to shops by trucks. The amount of money it would take for trains to run is unbelievable.

I think you should re read what I said.......

[Benjamin Smith]

Everyone that drives around these trucks need to grow a set and get over it. Simple as that, don't do stupid **** around them and there will be no problems.

[Neale]

Originally Posted by hess

You need to get you're head out of the clouds mate. Trucks run this country. Think about everything you buy. Fuel food and other items only get to shops by trucks. The amount of money it would take for trains to run is unbelievable.

I agree without trucks the county would stop but I also belive the railways are under utilised as well.

When you think one coal train in the Hunter valley carries about the same as 250 trucks. Wouldnt it make sence to run 3 or 4 locomotives as opposed to 250 trucks on the road.

Sure you cant transport everything everywhere by train, but I dont see why more long distance stuff like interstate freight isnt done by trains to a freight terminal & then locally distributed by truck.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Neale

I agree without trucks the county would stop but I also belive the railways are under utilised as well.

When you think one coal train in the Hunter valley carries about the same as 250 trucks. Wouldnt it make sence to run 3 or 4 locomotives as opposed to 250 trucks on the road.

Sure you cant transport everything everywhere by train, but I dont see why more long distance stuff like interstate freight isnt done by trains to a freight terminal & then locally distributed by truck.

Time - in the time it takes to load and unload at the terminal half the trips are completed. Rail really only comes into its own over 1000km

[CAMS290]

Ha ha, I remember when B doubles came out and they were going to revolutionize interstate transport overnight, only to be used on main highways for depot to depot deliveries............I said back then that these things will be everywhere in every street, companies will end up pulling the 'a' trailer for nothing to get work, drivers will be made to do more multi drop deliveries for about 3 cents a kay more than driving a single.

History repeats on a bigger scale.

I refused to get a B Double licence and the blokes that did regretted it as I went flying past them arriving in Sydney heaps earlier and getting out earlier the next day.

Geez I'm glad I don't go anywhere near the Hume Hwy anymore with unworkable fatigue rules, inexperienced mongs rolling trucks over every night............I can see it now, 90 ton triples running off the road every second night.

[CAMS290]

Originally Posted by JoshXR

You will find they will be used for light weight high cube freight similar to the ceva triples used in Melbourne

They will not increase the over all mass limits that you can carry

You'll find that with all tri axle groupings they can run at 82.5 ton minimum and 90.5 ton with HML concession.

What kind of prime movers are they going to use ?
Should be 600hp minimum running Syd-Mel on B triples.

[CAMS290]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I think you’re confusing B triples with triple road trains, a whole different kettle of fish.

A B triple doesn’t track any differently from a B double.

While I’m against B triples on anything other than existing road train routes, they certainly sit on the road and behave well.

I am against B triples on the Hume purely for economic reasons. Look at what B doubles have done to rates? B triples will further erode the small profit margin and it’s only parasites like Fox and Toll who will be using them anyway.

Who says that it’s dangerous? The Hume would be one of the safest highways in the country when you take into account the traffic volumes and kilometres travelled. The sky will not fall in just because there’s a B triple trial.

In fact, I’d say that 99.999999% of people wouldn’t even notice the difference if there wasn’t a bloody sign on the back of the thing telling people how long they are.

Ask how many people notice the CEVA B triples that travel between the Ford plants, Geelong and Broadmeadows? Most wouldn’t even notice them and I’d say that the traffic volumes on the Geelong freeway and the Ring road are far greater than the Hume.

You are 100% spot on as usual Danny !

Roll up to DECA, walk out with a B triple licence, point it towards Sydney and go for it............god help us.

[Resurrection]

Is the Hume dual carriage all the way from the vic border to Sydney?

[H.G]

Originally Posted by Neale

Sure you cant transport everything everywhere by train, but I dont see why more long distance stuff like interstate freight isnt done by trains to a freight terminal & then locally distributed by truck.

because like all freight.... EVERYONE wants it ahead of time YESTERDAY and trains cant offer that service in the majority of cases

[JoshXR]

Originally Posted by CAMS290

You'll find that with all tri axle groupings they can run at 82.5 ton minimum and 90.5 ton with HML concession.

What kind of prime movers are they going to use ?
Should be 600hp minimum running Syd-Mel on B triples.

Something cab over...

Argosy
Actros v8
K200
Fh16

Probably with crazy restrictions euro 5 , fups , stability control ect

Originally Posted by tweeked

Time - in the time it takes to load and unload at the terminal half the trips are completed. Rail really only comes into its own over 1000km

Agreed the rail network in Australia is shocking, however to get it right it would take some serous coin

Rail only takes on road for cost when you cross 2 boarders

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Is the Hume dual carriage all the way from the vic border to Sydney?

Yep, except for one small section which is nearly completed.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by CAMS290

You are 100% spot on as usual Danny !

Roll up to DECA, walk out with a B triple licence, point it towards Sydney and go for it............god help us.

There is NO such thing as a B-Triple licence, well there is, it is called a Multi-Combination licence. I have one, most working truck drivers have one

DECA was 'under contract' to Vicroads when B-Triples first started running in Victoria, Vicroads wanted the drivers to have extra training just to keep 'Joe Public' happy, I was working in a managment role at DECA at the time and I was the Vicroads liasion officer, I know all about this stuff first hand. They were issued with a Certificate to say they had completed the training (NOT licencing) Ford was where most of the training happened.

I am not sure what Vicroads policy is on it these days, I don't know whether Vicroads still insist on extra training or not for CEVA

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I think you’re confusing B triples with triple road trains, a whole different kettle of fish.

A B triple doesn’t track any differently from a B double.

While I’m against B triples on anything other than existing road train routes, they certainly sit on the road and behave well.

I am against B triples on the Hume purely for economic reasons. Look at what B doubles have done to rates? B triples will further erode the small profit margin and it’s only parasites like Fox and Toll who will be using them anyway.

Who says that it’s dangerous? The Hume would be one of the safest highways in the country when you take into account the traffic volumes and kilometres travelled. The sky will not fall in just because there’s a B triple trial.

In fact, I’d say that 99.999999% of people wouldn’t even notice the difference if there wasn’t a bloody sign on the back of the thing telling people how long they are.

Ask how many people notice the CEVA B triples that travel between the Ford plants, Geelong and Broadmeadows? Most wouldn’t even notice them and I’d say that the traffic volumes on the Geelong freeway and the Ring road are far greater than the Hume.

I wouldn't worry to much about 'outbackjacks' posts, he claims to be an authority on everything to do with the road network in Australia. He lives in the NT somewhere so would have a lot of first hand experience of the Hume - LOL

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

This country really needs to invest into rail transport where ever possible. The more trucks off the road the better off we will all be.

what? so you can do your 2,000 km/h on NT roads IF your mates from up there ever de-restrict?

[wrongwaynorris]

I remember all this crap flying around when B Doubles were introduced . I actually rode on the first Shell B Double tanker to go to Wagga Wagga and we drove through about 200 protestors who did not even realise we were in a B Double till one of them rang the Shell depot to see when the truck was due only to be told it was being unloaded as they spoke and it had come through about half an hour ago . Needless to say all the budding Harold Scrubbies beat a path to the depots door waving thier ****y little placards and screaming about how the truck they didn't even notice was going to hasten the end of the world as we know it . Seems like all the same tossers now have a new clarion call . If ignorance is bliss these tossers have found Nirvana .

[sleek7]

Don't really have a problem with it so long as they stick to the speed limit.

That article mentions a fair bit about these being 'the safest trucks' on the roads....its not the trucks themselves im worried about, more the driver...

[CAMS290]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

There is NO such thing as a B-Triple licence, well there is, it is called a Multi-Combination licence. I have one, most working truck drivers have one

DECA was 'under contract' to Vicroads when B-Triples first started running in Victoria, Vicroads wanted the drivers to have extra training just to keep 'Joe Public' happy, I was working in a managment role at DECA at the time and I was the Vicroads liasion officer, I know all about this stuff first hand. They were issued with a Certificate to say they had completed the training (NOT licencing) Ford was where most of the training happened.

I am not sure what Vicroads policy is on it these days, I don't know whether Vicroads still insist on extra training or not for CEVA

B Doubles stuffed the industry for smaller operators trying to compete, B Triples will make it worse.
I never got a MC licence because I could see what was going to happen, work longer hours loading/un loading for stuff all extra $$$.

The industry is stuffed with the un workable fatigue rules, in experienced drivers and crap pay............no wonder there is at least 1 a night going over.
Glad I'm not out there with some poor mong asleep coming at me !

[Franco Cozzo]

Theres a massive truck in front of you?

Slow down, and hang behind it at a safe distance.

Or overtake it when safe to do so.

Crisis averted, I'm here all day for autographs.

[mrfordfairmont]

it's not the truck drivers you have to worry about.. it is the car driver that do not know how to drive and have not been taught to drive but get a licence.. thereason why truck have accidents is due to stupid car drivers.

[sleek7]

Originally Posted by mrfordfairmont

it's not the truck drivers you have to worry about.. it is the car driver that do not know how to drive and have not been taught to drive but get a licence.. thereason why truck have accidents is due to stupid car drivers.

Mmmm ok, so in the news clip on the article page where they show a B double that crossed onto the wrong side of the freeway and killed 3 people in that little red car....that was the car drivers fault huh?

[Kevxr8Leexr6]

Thinkin out loud. long before trucks/companys, trains were the main town to town method of delivery. problem being every state had different guage tracks soas trains terminated. australia wide restructuring of a standard guage line saw all train destinations reached by a government owned rail network. deregulation of the sale of country networks to private owners and retaining urban networks under government saw the introduction of train to depot, truck to end user.
global logistic companys use all forms of transport to reach the end user. given that even the humble mailman delivers next day or 2 from as far away as perth i think the service provided by all logistic companys is 2nd to none.
Trucking companys with better rigs , time management , fatigue management etc wouldnt jeopardise load loss or rig loss or loss of life if it wasnt benchmarked for safety imo.

[a-total-tool]

Stupid n00b question here... What's the difference between a B-Triple and a Road Train? I thought that they were one and the same