Hsv 2013

Falco GT51 · 21-12-2012, 06:42 PM

Any confermation on the power output for the 2013 HSV and will it be supercharged?
Speculation a 410kw supercharged 6.2L, 0 - 100 in 4 seconds.
What will FPV do, how much more can they push the FPV range and will Ford respond?

flappist · 21-12-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Falco GT51

Any confermation on the power output for the 2013 HSV and will it be supercharged?
Speculation a 410kw supercharged 6.2L, 0 - 100 in 4 seconds.
What will FPV do, how much more can they push the FPV range and will Ford respond?

Quad turbo, twin supercharged 900kw V12 in titanium and carbon fibre chassis with a 0-100 in 2.5 seconds, top speed of 350km/h and a RRP of $29,995 inc GST.

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As the F series GTS will have basically the same engine as the current with the LT1 in 2014 probably not much at all.

FPV GTHO · 21-12-2012, 06:52 PM

I've only seen references to the LSA going into GTS, that's it. I've also seen references that the GenV won't be going in at VF launch.

MITCHAY · 21-12-2012, 06:55 PM

I seriously doubt it would have those specs. They only need to match if only slightly exceed FPV to get an upper hand so no point going overkill which for the $ it would be.

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Originally Posted by flappist

Quad turbo, twin supercharged 900kw V12 in titanium and carbon fibre chassis with a 0-100 in 2.5 seconds, top speed of 350km/h and a RRP of $29,995 inc GST.

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As the F series GTS will have basically the same engine as the current with the LT1 in 2014 probably not much at all.

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**Sorted** · 21-12-2012, 07:11 PM

Whatever they bring out FPV won't have to do much to have more power as all of them are detuned from factory.

Different air filter and tune - see ya HSV

05_ENFORCER · 21-12-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorted

Whatever they bring out FPV won't have to do much to have more power as all of them are detuned from factory.

Different air filter and tune - see ya HSV

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Add an intercooler, increase the boost and FPV will have 400 Kw

Pity the driveline won't cope with that

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jpd80 · 21-12-2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 05_ENFORCER

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Add an intercooler, increase the boost and FPV will have 400 Kw

Pity the driveline won't cope with that

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Except that Ford canned the intercooled version of "Miami" that was proposed by Prodrive...err, FPV

gtfpv · 21-12-2012, 08:30 PM

i really really really dont think its a matter of upping the performance stakes between these brands anymore .

Nikked · 21-12-2012, 08:35 PM

Im sure HSV have said that they are after "refinement" rather then outright power...

Motorbreath310 · 21-12-2012, 08:44 PM

Not only that, but how much is it going to take to get these 1800kg monsters to 100kph any quicker than they do now? The power war is over imo. They now need to address other areas.

Nikked · 21-12-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Not only that, but how much is it going to take to get these 1800kg monsters to 100kph any quicker than they do now? The power war is over imo. They now need to address other areas.

Like styling...

vegabass · 21-12-2012, 08:54 PM

HSV have some good things going on. Their R&D is fantastic given the guidelines they are bound to. Their product is stepping up.

Gobes32 · 21-12-2012, 09:02 PM

I imagine the OP scored his info from wheels, motor or somewhere similar. It will not have 410kw, the new Corvette will receive that tune and it may even crack a 4 sec 0-100. The sheer amount of power it would take to propel a 1800kg GTS to 100kmh in 4 secs would be immense, more than 410kw that's for sure...............

Auslandau · 21-12-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Im sure HSV have said that they are after "refinement" rather then outright power...

......... because they know as far as power goes, its a lost cause.

GTP534 · 21-12-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Except that Ford canned the intercooled version of "Miami" that was proposed by Prodrive...err, FPV

^^^^ That's my understanding too.

FGII-XR6 · 21-12-2012, 10:53 PM

the NSW police special R spec is 406 RWKW with just injectors and a tune and that was after being told to be conservative so Ford have plenty to play with

Bossxr8 · 21-12-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Except that Ford canned the intercooled version of "Miami" that was proposed by Prodrive...err, FPV

And cutting that is just the start, Ford are already looking for things to cull from the FPV range.

Well done Ford

UberKnee · 21-12-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Im sure HSV have said that they are after "refinement" rather then outright power...

With the current styling I seriously doubt anyone working at HSV HQ has ever uttered the word "refinement".

SpoolMan · 21-12-2012, 11:03 PM

Guys this thread is about HSV 2013 models.
Was at a BBQ today a mechanical insurance assessor told me he was told that HSV will have a Super Charged vehicle in the next line-up, how reliable is the info only time will tell.

Archilino · 21-12-2012, 11:16 PM

6.2l supercharge will be for the 'halo' model, OP is on the money power wise depending on marketing it will be circa 400kw.

Neale · 21-12-2012, 11:17 PM

If Ford made the Mustang available for US prices & with the same upgrades available why would you buy a HSV that just looks like a riced up commodore.

MITCHAY · 21-12-2012, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Neale

If Ford made the Mustang available for US prices & with the same upgrades available why would you buy a HSV that just looks like a riced up commodore.

The riced up Commodore (E3 series) is already here but the Mustang at US prices does not exist and will never exist here

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bangm001 · 22-12-2012, 08:32 AM

I think a 6.2L S/C engine would be awsome to drive.. Even if it is in a holden.

Rodge · 22-12-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And cutting that is just the start, Ford are already looking for things to cull from the FPV range.

Well done Ford

If Ford management think they can cost cut and remove even more equipment differentiation between regular Ford Falcon product and FPV and expect customers to remain loyal when the VF is adding significant tech content and the SRT8 is miles ahead they have rocks in their heads.

There was a time when all FPV's got special firmer bolstering in the seats and chunky steering wheels for example, people have noticed the deletion of these things.

SpoolMan · 22-12-2012, 10:02 AM

Again this thread is about HSV 2013 models, to early for hypothetical comparisons.

sbutler · 22-12-2012, 10:27 AM

Agreed spoolman....
Something to think about to is, Ford now control & own everything about the former FPV, so I think there will pretty big changes comming along in the way Ford handle there performance models. If holden bump there 6.2 up to 400kw [which I doubt] Ford wont follow suit. IMO.. Ford will change what FPV did & how they did it, for the better, To be frank I think FPV were to intersted in their bottom line, & were not interested in the product Ford just sold FPV the cars & FPV did the as little as possable to make as much as possable.[again IMO] Ford wont do that as they will be able to do the same job "or better" for less money which will be plowed back into the product.

DanielXR8 · 22-12-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

i really really really dont think its a matter of upping the performance stakes between these brands anymore .

Exactly, otherwise it will just be HSV and FPV owners down the pub, boasting whose driveline blew up faster under warranty. Mine blew the diff apart in 3.2 seconds! Yeah well my transmission went into limp home mode in 3!

DanielXR8 · 22-12-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sbutler

Agreed spoolman....
Something to think about to is, Ford now control & own everything about the former FPV, so I think there will pretty big changes comming along in the way Ford handle there performance models. If holden bump there 6.2 up to 400kw [which I doubt] Ford wont follow suit. IMO.. Ford will change what FPV did & how they did it, for the better, To be frank I think FPV were to intersted in their bottom line, & were not interested in the product Ford just sold FPV the cars & FPV did the as little as possable to make as much as possable.[again IMO] Ford wont do that as they will be able to do the same job "or better" for less money which will be plowed back into the product.

I took it that since Prodrive had sunk most of the money into the V8 program and RSPEC suspension and then flogged it to Ford at what would be well below the costs involved, it just made sense for Ford to buy the operation as a cheap way to keep a V8 halo car and stop the media having a meltdown about the end of Ford V8's and FPV. The V8 part especially important if Mustang is on its way.

Sure the FPV's will benefit from improvements and equipment upgrades from the donor car, but really what else do Ford need to do? Add RSPEC at some point as standard and maybe throw a XR8 badge on the GS, so they can lower its price if the new Chrysler 300 or VF SS-V starts to hurt sales. Add a new stripe package if everyone is bored with the current one and maybe finish off any half done body kit Prodrive was working on for the 2014 Falcon if such a thing exists (presumably it does). That will see three or four years out.

I would be very surprised if Ford doing anything at all with the power outputs of the cars at this point. The money has been spent and they are quick enough as it is. For those who want an FPV they will buy them with a minor refresh (nothing to expensive) and as long as sales trickle along for a few years to keep the halo car going with minimal extra cost to Ford.... well job done.

As for plowing any money saved by Ford over a joint Prodrive/Ford approach back into the FPV side of operations. Highly unlikely in my opinion. We can all speculate post 2016, but the fact is that the FG series is closer to the end of its model life, then the beginning. Sales of all FG's have fallen off a cliff, so right now its about getting maximum return on the money spent and on any money to be spent. That is consistent with what Ford Australia has historically done too.

sbutler · 22-12-2012, 11:11 AM

Yeah fully agree. Ford will do a better job IMO than FPV have done.
But there isnt any need for huge changes to the current line up.
Maybe bump the GT 335 up to 351, only for retro reasons. Not a big deal.
Rspec an option on all models.
Drop GTE
Drop GS
line up should go
XR6 base model no Rspec
XR6 T Rspec option
XR8 315 Rspec option

F6 sedan & F6 ute standard with Rspec
GT 351 sedan & Persuit standard with Rspec
Theres plenty of choice there & price accordingly. Simplify the whole range.IMO
After all Ford own the lot now..

flappist · 22-12-2012, 11:46 AM

How about:

Sit back and see what happens in 2013 instead of running around like a headless chook doing a bogan version of the Mayan HSV calendar......

The only things I am sure of are:

1) HSV will make a new car that will set off the usual suspects in yet another Ford hating frenzy.
2) Regardless of what Ford make the same usual suspects will not buy one.
3) The forum will be filled with the usual dribble of how everything is wrong.