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11-07-2012, 02:06 PM | #1 | ||
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Short story.....new engine in my Chrysler, 500 stroker with my six pack, so for its first long run i went to the Sunshine Coast from Bundaberg and thought i'd try United Fuels 100 octane, ie 98+10% Ethanol. Well any ways, only just made it to Cooroy, with about 3 litres to spare! 88+ litres to fill up with BP Ultimate. Drove into Tewantin and around then got back home with 1/4 and a little bit in the tank! Wont bother using United Fuels 100 octane sugar in my car again! 8 MILES PER GALLON!
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11-07-2012, 03:03 PM | #2 | ||
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yep it's not very good at all.
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11-07-2012, 03:11 PM | #3 | ||
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I tried it twice. I didn't think it was anywhere near as good as BP Ultimate. Interestingly enough, even though adding ethanol increases RON, it actually decreases overall potential energy in the fuel. Also one of the reasons I steer clear of E10.
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11-07-2012, 03:13 PM | #4 | ||
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Good thread. I have been thinking about using this in the GT. Stay away from it.
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11-07-2012, 03:42 PM | #5 | ||
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A friend of mine has been using it in his 97' laser and raves on good it is.
He's apparently dialed up the timing and says throttle responce is much sharper and so on. He wants me to try it in my cars, don't think I will though.
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11-07-2012, 03:45 PM | #6 | |||
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With prices of E10 in Melbourne, it is only 2 cents a letter cheaper than ULP. That is a saving of $1 dollar when you fill up 50 liters, so IMO it is not worth it, you will use more E10 in the long run and the saving will be lost. |
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11-07-2012, 03:46 PM | #7 | ||
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without tuning the car to it, the benefits will be worse than 98. On a whole, with the car tuned to it, you will net better power results.
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12-07-2012, 10:23 AM | #8 | ||
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Filled my XM with it by mistake, no warning on pump to say it contains alcohol, car became very hard to start when hot and idled roughly and stalled when hot. All problems went away when the car was refilled with ethanol free petrol.
Bad news in an old carburetor fed engine! |
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12-07-2012, 11:24 AM | #9 | |||
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12-07-2012, 11:27 AM | #10 | ||
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I've only used it the once out of eagle hawk near Canberra, well what can I say I had to tow the car home, I wont even consider it again
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12-07-2012, 12:17 PM | #11 | |||
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Territory seems to run ok on on it but i dont use much Petrol to get a good idea about its consumption
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12-07-2012, 12:42 PM | #12 | ||
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Unsure why anyone would put sugar fuel in their car. I have an XF and avoid it.
Also as most people never read the advice that United provide, their ethanol is not suited for small vehicles, water craft or air craft.
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12-07-2012, 02:31 PM | #13 | ||
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Only tried it because i now have 11.23:1 compression. And i always said
"i don't have sugar in my coffee so why the hell would i put it my car?" |
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12-07-2012, 03:22 PM | #14 | ||
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i know alot of people that run it and have never had issues, i have used it for months in my daily and i have averaged at least 50km more than i get with BP or Caltex.
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12-07-2012, 03:56 PM | #15 | ||
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I've used it before on a trip from Ballarat to Melb in my BA XR8 ute and received the best fuel economy that I have ever achieved. Managed to get under 10L per 100. I regularly fill up with their Plus ULP 95 octane (also E10) and have no horror stories to tell. At worst there is a slight moment of hesitation under load when the engine is cold.
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12-07-2012, 04:32 PM | #16 | ||
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There’s no sugar in it, if there was then they would be getting rid of the product they wanted to produce in the first place. it’s a higher octane fuel and some old dinosaurs can’t be tuned to it. let alone my 2 stoke chainsaw
We should be embracing this technology It should be more than 2c/L cheaper though
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12-07-2012, 04:50 PM | #17 | ||
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E10 or other mixed petrol is the biggest scam ever. Its designed to burn quicker so we use more of it so more pain at the petrol pump. Only use 95 or 91ULP where possible. This the reason they want to ban 91ULP. As it will better profit margins for the government and oil companies. Good for the environment but bad for the pocket.
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12-07-2012, 05:00 PM | #18 | |||
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Yes you will net more power, but still have a less energy dense fuel. You will therefore burn more of it to achieve the same result. |
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12-07-2012, 06:06 PM | #19 | |||
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12-07-2012, 07:03 PM | #20 | ||
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i won`t use the e10 any more unless i have half a tank of the good stuff still in the tank, the au runs rough cold and pings like a ***** when the stuff is run straight.
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13-07-2012, 12:35 PM | #21 | |||
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& who wants to ban 91 ?
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13-07-2012, 12:49 PM | #22 | ||
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I used it last summer in my XR8 a couple of times, got decent economy and throttle response felt nice and sharp, no complaints here.
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13-07-2012, 01:06 PM | #23 | |||
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13-07-2012, 01:10 PM | #24 | ||
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No complaints here either, I use it with my 98 tune. Runs nice.
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13-07-2012, 03:40 PM | #25 | ||
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Even our Honda CRV gets less K's per tank on E10, so not woth buying it even though it's cheaper than 91. The Ethanol additive may work well for modern,computer controlled high performance cars, but not with a 46 year old dinosaur with triple carburetors and 500 cubic inches to feed (IF it was significant cheaper, maybe i'd use it). Oh for the "old days" when you could buy Av-Gas easily!
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13-07-2012, 06:02 PM | #26 | ||
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Fair enough, but, just about everybody knows 91 RON E10 is not a fuel, it's a lubricant for big ends and pistons in two stroke engines. 95, 98 or 100 are nothing like it.
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13-07-2012, 06:25 PM | #27 | |||
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13-07-2012, 06:48 PM | #29 | ||
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Interesting... my old VK commodore loved the E10, pulled much harder than the 98 but drank it 3 times as fast!
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15-07-2012, 10:24 PM | #30 | |||
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What I found was the following: 95e10 and 91ron gave me the same economy except the 91 felt sluggish. 95ron really gave no real benefits compared to 95e10 except it gave maybe 10k's more a tank in economy 98ron (BP ultimate) gave about 40k more in a tank. The car did go better and felt smoother then all the other fuels. My results will differ from other peoples hence why people should actually test the different fuels (that are appropriate for their car) and come to their own conclusions.
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