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28-10-2011, 09:01 AM | #1 | |||
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I was reading through car advice and I thought this was quite interesting.
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28-10-2011, 09:07 AM | #2 | ||
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It's just a small step toward the inevitable demise of the internal combustion engine. GTDI seems to be a good technology in the interim, whatever the block configuration.
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28-10-2011, 10:43 AM | #3 | ||
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It doesn't say why, however.
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28-10-2011, 12:00 PM | #4 | ||
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2015 is far enough away for people to have completely forgotten this rumor, MB has just released two V6 engines.....
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28-10-2011, 03:54 PM | #5 | ||
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Doesn't make sense...packaging in modern vehicles demands a low front to the car for required pedestrian impact safety standards (throw the person onto the bonnet rather than smack them down in front of the car to be run over), and for aerodynamics as well, even though on a road car at road speeds (in Australia, not autobarn-filled Germany) you may as well have a car shaped like a brick. "Aerodynamics" are actually about reducing wind noise rather than affecting fuel economy in any measurable way on a road going family car.
A V6 meets these requirements, whereas a straight six produces all sorts of problems...unless it's a slant six... |
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28-10-2011, 05:55 PM | #6 | |||
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This was reported in Wheels magazine;
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28-10-2011, 07:25 PM | #7 | ||
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Perhaps the advantage of the Inline six will be it can be easily made along side inline 4's and 3's?
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28-10-2011, 07:35 PM | #8 | ||
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Turbocharging is much easier on a i6 compared to a v6.
Forced induction will effectively be the way to meet car buyer performance requirements, but most importantly economy regulations. Using an inline 6 also makes designing off that an i3 and i4 that much easier. Edit: I see that DFB has mentioned the i3 and i4 references too.
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28-10-2011, 08:59 PM | #9 | ||
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The Merc V6 has never been considered a good engine, its always been spoken of as being inferior to the BMW I6. I think they have finally given up on it and will switch back to the I6, which they had great success with.
As others have said it makes turbocharging so much simpler. Also provides good ammo for the tools that think V6's are superior to I6's. |
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28-10-2011, 09:36 PM | #10 | ||
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I find myself digging out this Gem every couple of years when the I6 vs. V6 debate flares here at AFF. It's from a Wheels Magazine from about 1996.
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28-10-2011, 10:03 PM | #11 | ||
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http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11338099
thers some links in the top of the page in my thread here on I6 vs. V6 vs. flat6 will be interesting to see what justification Merc gives to releasing a straight 6 ... help give the barra a better case to ONE ford |
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28-10-2011, 11:08 PM | #12 | ||
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I find it interesting that they use commonality with Nissan as a reason.
Does that mean Nissan are considering going back to their I6 engines as well? |
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28-10-2011, 11:23 PM | #13 | |||
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29-10-2011, 01:46 PM | #14 | |||
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30-10-2011, 12:09 AM | #15 | ||
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It's like a middle-aged man having a mid-life crisis; ditching your wife for some seemingly attractive 20 year old, and then finding out she's high maintanence, performs badly in bed, and is simply a handful to deal with. Then you realise what you've been missing out on, and you shouldn't have left your loving and supportive wife in the first place.
Well done Mercedes-Benz. Nice to see this deviance of the past 15 years is soon coming to an end, and you're now back to where you should be. Let's see if the team at Mercedes-Benz can replicate the quality control standards of 20 years ago as well
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30-10-2011, 12:17 AM | #17 | |||
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How would I know? I learned how to drive in a car equipped with a Merc 3 valve V6 (how's that for sympathy seeking?) It happened to that very car, at a mileage that most Falcon drivers would consider to be 'just run in'. Edit: Apparently that's also a problem with the I6 it replaced.
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30-10-2011, 08:50 AM | #18 | ||
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I think it makes sense economically, given production lines and plant can be shared between I6's and I4's. Perhap having a simpler layout means it's easier to implement new technologies as well?
Would it be possible to run electric-powered remote ancillaries? or even have a flat bracket with pulleys attached that drive pumps mounted toward the firewall? this would solve some of their length and passive safety problems I would think? p.s never driven a V6 that I liked. The ones that I've sampled have all sounded thrashy and had no torque. |
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30-10-2011, 08:55 AM | #19 | ||
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It'll have to be laid over to some extent because of current and coming euro crash compliance laws...as I said, for pedestrian safety requirements.
Be good to see them with a straight six...I've always been a big fan of any straight six...even if none of them can hold a candle to the Valiant 265 hemi... |
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30-10-2011, 04:43 PM | #20 | |||
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One of Mercedes sweetest engines is the old 6500rpm M110 2.8 dohc straight 6 from the 1970s. Back when they were the best in the world, built to a standard not a budget. |
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30-10-2011, 09:50 PM | #21 | ||
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Inline 6 FTW
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31-10-2011, 06:19 AM | #22 | ||
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I don't think it's "bean counters" as much as relatively ease of design from an existing V8 (but really a miniscule amount are simply some V8 with "two cylinders lopped off", most are a stand-alone engine) and also better packaging...a shorter, lower engine, which means more space can be shovelled into the passenger compartment and also helps tune the handling, if that's important to the model you're building.
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