How moronic can you be?

MAD · 15-02-2010, 02:34 PM

Picked up twice in the same night for drink driving, and excessive speeding on the second.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/dr...0214-nyzl.html

andrewts · 15-02-2010, 02:38 PM

In a Hold Commodore. lol

But seriously, he's just asking for it...

Kryton · 15-02-2010, 02:44 PM

What have you got to lose?
Your license is already gone and your still drunk......
Think about it for a second.
If you dont care enough to start with and are willing to hope in and drive a car whilst drunk, do you really believe that a loss of license is going to stop someone from continuing to drive?

The chances of being caught twice is remote too, that would have been part of his decision to drive again.

Not trying to defend his actions but if you want to understand the psychology of a drink driver, then thats about it.

pottery beige · 15-02-2010, 02:56 PM

Drag them out the car.. Then burn it on the spot.. That'll learn 'em..

Kryton · 15-02-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

Drag them out the car.. Then burn it on the spot.. That'll learn 'em..

How will that "learn em"?
what if the car isnt theirs?
what if they didnt know they were over the limit?
Do you know exactly how much you can drink before you are .05?

Having your car burnt for something like that is just stupid.

XR6_661 · 15-02-2010, 03:16 PM

Unlucky!!

Alcohol has a good way of clouding ones decision making process'....

pottery beige · 15-02-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

How will that "learn em"?
what if the car isnt theirs?
what if they didnt know they were over the limit?
Do you know exactly how much you can drink before you are .05?

Having your car burnt for something like that is just stupid.

Sound's like you like driving other people's car's ****ed..

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geckoGT · 15-02-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

How will that "learn em"?
what if the car isnt theirs?
what if they didnt know they were over the limit?
Do you know exactly how much you can drink before you are .05?

Having your car burnt for something like that is just stupid.

He did know the second time he was caught.

Someone with a alcohol level of 0.178 knows they are intoxicated, lets not make excuses for the pratt.

Don't burn his car, it may be someone elses, just lock him up for the night until he is below 0.05 and then send him on his way with no license and impound the car until a responsible adult can pick it up.

RedHotGT · 15-02-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

Don't burn his car, it may be someone elses, just lock him up for the night until he is below 0.05 and then send him on his way with no license and impound the car until a responsible adult can pick it up.

I'm pretty sure that we're all adults here and Pottery Beige did have his tongue pressed firmly in his cheek when suggesting we burn the car on the spot...

Certainly when you're .178 you do know you're over .05 - so there'd be a good chance the driver KNEW he was breaking the law the second he turned the key...

Impounding the car should certainly be mandatory for any drink driver, .051 and above... I can't see how a hoon and a drunk driver are any less dangerous... get them both off the road once they're caught...

Certainly getting caught a second time is ridiculous and proves that the guy was blatanly ignoring the law, and police previous requests... etc...

Impounding the vehicle would not have stopped him being caught the second time anyways...

Think about this though... he was picked up at 0.178 and nearly 4 hours later he blew over .05 at the breatho... (reduction of .12 over nearly 4 hours)...
does that mean that he'd been drinking AGAIN in that time?? I'm not sure of the rate that your BAC% reduces...

Falcman0o7 · 15-02-2010, 03:51 PM

ANYONE who drinks and drives is a COMPLETE @#$%HEAD.

No excuses.

geckoGT · 15-02-2010, 03:56 PM

Someone that blows 0.178 will definitely blow over 0.05 4 hrs later, the body can not metabolise and eliminate that much alcohol that quickly. Impounding the car would not have stopped the second offence, that is true, but locking him up would have.

Sorry, but I have no sympathy nor caring for these fools, lock em up for the good of the rest of society. The good part is he will probably get jail time now with two DUI offences and dangerous driving in one night, judge is going to dance on his head.

XF Falcon · 15-02-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

ANYONE who drinks and drives is a COMPLETE @#$%HEAD.

No excuses.

What if your wife is about to give birth, and you are in a remote town and you need to drive really fast to get to the hospital, and your wife refuses to drive as she is about to pop at any moment!!!!????? :P ;)

geckoGT · 15-02-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XF Falcon

What if your wife is about to give birth, and you are in a remote town and you need to drive really fast to get to the hospital, and your wife refuses to drive as she is about to pop at any moment!!!!????? :P ;)

What if there was a large metorite speeding towards your house and you had to escape before your town got turned into the new Wolf Creek crater?

That is what ambulances are for, call 000. At worst they can talk you through the delivery on the phone while paramedics arrive, it's not hard and it is not life threatening.

pottery beige · 15-02-2010, 04:01 PM

I still don't understand how i can be totally sober but for a minor indescretion lose my car on the back of a truck. Where as some DH can be totally parro get caught DUI get processed then head straight back behind the wheel of his death machine.

braddyxe51 · 15-02-2010, 04:09 PM

I think its .01 for every hour ya dont drink. This is what they tell ya at mine inductions.

Average rate of elimination
Elimination occurs at a constant rate for a given individual.The median rate of decrease in BAC is considered to be 15 milligrams per cent (mg%) per hour. The range of decrease in BAC is 10-20 mg% per hour. This range represents the extreme ends of the rate encountered in a normal population. Most people eliminate at a rate of between 13 and 18 mg% per hour. Of these, the majority eliminates at the higher end. Very few people eliminate at as low a rate as 10 mg% per hour.

I never heard of anyone losing there lic on spot for drink driving. Most would have to wait for a court to decide.

The second time it may have been him picking up the car he got caught the first time and trying to get it home.
Im pretty sure a lot of people that pick there car up the next day will still blow over but they think that seeing as they have been home had a sleep get up early the next day they are not drunk anymore.

I know that when Im at work. Can have 6 stubbies between 6 and 8 will be 0.000% by 5:30 in morning to start work. If I have eaten maybe 1 or 2 more drinks.

braddyxe51 · 15-02-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

I still don't understand how i can be totally sober but for a minor indescretion lose my car on the back of a truck. Where as some DH can be totally parro get caught DUI get processed then head straight back behind the wheel of his death machine.

That is very good point.

Lost mine for a months for being on street out front of my house. Both my self and car unlic but it didnt matter that I was driving from a trailer to driveway. Judge said I should have been on the street.
There was no speeding or drinking involed in either of my mishaps.

UNR8D · 15-02-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

I still don't understand how i can be totally sober but for a minor indescretion lose my car on the back of a truck. Where as some DH can be totally parro get caught DUI get processed then head straight back behind the wheel of his death machine.

you have no idea how much that exact thing angers me, if nothing else this really goes to show how much media beat up of hoons is out of line, and how the pollies who push the legalisation thru need their heads cubed.

braddyxe51 · 15-02-2010, 04:26 PM

The towing guys are making mint with out towing the ******** head driver cars.
It will most likely stop a lot of the richer people DUI ing. They dont care how much it costs and then they get a high payed lawer to have DUI squashed in court they walk out side and drive away.
They couldnt do the last part when their car in impounded.

geckoGT · 15-02-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by braddyxe51

The second time it may have been him picking up the car he got caught the first time and trying to get it home.
Im pretty sure a lot of people that pick there car up the next day will still blow over but they think that seeing as they have been home had a sleep get up early the next day they are not drunk anymore.

No, it was a different car according to the article.

BOSHOG · 15-02-2010, 04:34 PM

i know someone who got caught high range drink driving twice in one night (5th & 6th offence) and didnt serve time, i was shocked

by the way he was in an AU XR8

04redxr8 · 15-02-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

He did know the second time he was caught.

Someone with a alcohol level of 0.178 knows they are intoxicated, lets not make excuses for the pratt.

Don't burn his car, it may be someone elses, just lock him up for the night until he is below 0.05 and then send him on his way with no license and impound the car until a responsible adult can pick it up.

I thought that was standard procedure. Or was that a few years ago?

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Originally Posted by XF Falcon

What if your wife is about to give birth, and you are in a remote town and you need to drive really fast to get to the hospital, and your wife refuses to drive as she is about to pop at any moment!!!!????? :P ;)

If you are in those circumstances, DONT GET DRUNK. There is a certain responsibilty that comes with being a parent. The standard that has been advised is 2 standard drinks in the 1st hour followed by 1 standard drink every hour after that. It was originally 3 drinks in the first hour, but then amended to take into account different body weights, metabolisms etc.

If you have an expected birth, a child who may have special needs, live remotely, or any other factor that may require you to drive unexpectedly, you can follow the above formula. If you get drunk and then drive for whatever reason, you deserve whatever you get.

I could go on, my family has been affected by a drink driving tragedy. I have no sympathy for drink drivers regardless of the excuse. There isn't one that could ever justify these actions.

RedHotGT · 15-02-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XF FALCON

If you are in those circumstances, DONT GET DRUNK. There is a certain responsibilty that comes with being a parent. The standard that has been advised is 2 standard drinks in the 1st hour followed by 1 standard drink every hour after that. It was originally 3 drinks in the first hour, but then amended to take into account different body weights, metabolisms etc.

If you have an expected birth, a child who may have special needs, live remotely, or any other factor that may require you to drive unexpectedly, you can follow the above formula. If you get drunk and then drive for whatever reason, you deserve whatever you get.

I could go on, my family has been affected by a drink driving tragedy. I have no sympathy for drink drivers regardless of the excuse. There isn't one that could ever justify these actions.

My tip would be call an ambulance...

braddyxe51 · 15-02-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by loftie

My tip would be call an ambulance...

Or even the local cop if there isnt a hospatail near by.

04redxr8 · 15-02-2010, 05:08 PM

Maybe I don't get it. Do people NEED to get drunk? Can people not go without a drink for a couple of weeks. Well, you can have a drink, just know when to stop. It isn't hard FFS.

BOSHOG · 15-02-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 04redxr8

Maybe I don't get it. Do people NEED to get drunk? Can people not go without a drink for a couple of weeks. Well, you can have a drink, just know when to stop. It isn't hard FFS.

this is a big problem in australia, most people think its the aussie way to get sloshed every chance they get

phillyc · 15-02-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

I still don't understand how i can be totally sober but for a minor indescretion lose my car on the back of a truck. Where as some DH can be totally parro get caught DUI get processed then head straight back behind the wheel of his death machine.

The law to impound the DUI car will never happen. Because politicians and lawyers are likely to DUI themselves.

04redxr8 · 15-02-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BOSHOG

this is a big problem in australia, most people think its the aussie way to get sloshed every chance they get

Its also a large reason for so many fatalities too. Alot of innocent people die from the stupidity of others.

left · 15-02-2010, 05:21 PM

And this too: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225830318991

Dragging @ 160kmh 500 metres from scene of recent fatality that claimed 5 lives in Mill Park (Melb).

"Funny" thing is this car wash is all of 200 metres from the cop shop. Obviously these two aren't the sharpest tools in the shed....

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A HOON drag racing at 160km/h on the same deadly stretch of road that claimed the lives of five teens last month was described as "mind-boggling" by Premier John Brumby today.

Police spotted two cars speeding out of a car wash on The Link, Mill Park, and followed them to Plenty Rd about 3am.

A black, Holden ute and silver Commodore overtook a third vehicle before police intercepted them. The ute had been traveling at twice the 80km/h limit, with police clocking him at 160km/h.

Two men, aged 20 and 18, both from Mill Park, will be charged on summons.

The 20-year-old had his ute impounded for 48 hours under hoon legislation.

My32Doors · 15-02-2010, 05:26 PM

If it happened in the NT there wouldn't have been a second offence because you get locked up until you are sober

geckoGT · 15-02-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by braddyxe51

Or even the local cop if there isnt a hospatail near by.

Thats the problem, so many good options yet people will spend more time and effort trying to justify breaking the law.

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Maybe I don't get it. Do people NEED to get drunk? Can people not go without a drink for a couple of weeks. Well, you can have a drink, just know when to stop. It isn't hard FFS.

You are not alone, I don't get it either. I have not been drunk in years and I can not say I have missed it. Perhaps my perspective has changed since having to deal with alcohol related violence and road trauma so much, or perhaps I just grew up.

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If it happened in the NT there wouldn't have been a second offence because you get locked up until you are sober

Makes perfect sense to me, how can they be proven to be drunk and then released from the station still intoxicated onto the streets. I see a failing in the duty of care. We attend intoxicated people frequently but we either have to ensure they are delivered to a place of safety with competent supervision or at hospital, we can not let them go under their own devices. It is called "duty of care" and I have to suggest that the police have failed both the intoxicated person and the public in their duty of care.

No intoxicated person should be released from police custody unless they are released into the care and responsibility of a competent adult. If that competent adult allows that person to drive again and they are caught, there should be a charge for that person also. Either that or stay in the watch house until they are sober.