Fixed speed camera fine numbers down in S.A.

[Bud Bud]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...2-2682,00.html

THE number of people caught speeding by fixed cameras fell by more than 8 per cent last financial year.

I love this, and not for the wrong reasons!

The speed limit default is reduced to 50 k/ph and they have more speed cameras than ever before, especially in 50 k/ph spots and yet revenue from fixed speed cameras still manages to fall. What will they do next to make up this short fall, lower the speed limit even more?

All this would not matter a steaming continental flying fig if in fact the road toll was not still constantly going up in S.A. atm either. In S.A. they originally set a road toll target of keeping under 90 in 09 (and good on em for trying) but they had to revise that campaign last month because we were already near 80 with 4 months to go. Over the weekend three more lives were lost and also another on Thursday, all in separate crashes. I think we are close to 84 now with no way of staying under the original 90 target this year.

This could be a shockingly blown out year if we can not get this under control.

Unfortunately from the last 4 deaths recorded, 3 were in the country again tipping an imbalance of road trauma per population in favour of country drivers.

All this as the city continues to grind to a halt while fixed speed camera revenue also continues to fall!

[blueoval]

That is good news. Just goes to show speed cameras do NOT save lives. Just makes the driver more weary of his/her wallet.

[mrbaxr6t]

but speed cameras save lives - just ask their propaganda machine

[joolz]

They will just install more cameras in high traffic zones and not high accident zones to justify that "cameras save lives" If the road toll does decrease even if its not due to the extra cameras they will drive home that they save lives.

[Kil4Collingwood]

They will just follow Victorias lead when camera revenue drops, lower the speed limits and put up more cameras on multi-lane roads with ridiculously low speed limits

[xls3v]

I got done today I think was doing 60 in a 50 can't wait for that one

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by xls3v

I got done today I think was doing 60 in a 50 can't wait for that one

How dare you drive at such a dangerous speed, you could have killed an entire suburb. When they get your speed camera pic back from the chemist, they will be changing that 50 zone to a 25 zone, but you will not have to worry about that.

By the time you get out of jail for this heinous crime, you’ll be to bloody old to drive.

That’ll learn ya.

[ea90gl]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

How dare you drive at such a dangerous speed, you could have killed an entire suburb. When they get your speed camera pic back from the chemist, they will be changing that 50 zone to a 25 zone, but you will not have to worry about that.

By the time you get out of jail for this heinous crime, you’ll be to bloody old to drive.

That’ll learn ya.

lol 10 kays over, good enough to make baby jesus cry too

[ea90gl]

Originally Posted by xls3v

I got done today I think was doing 60 in a 50 can't wait for that one

seriously probably set you back around the $202 mark

[Wally]

Originally Posted by xls3v

I got done today I think was doing 60 in a 50 can't wait for that one

Every K over is a killer... you just killed ten people.

[hame]

Was that a Camry?

You don't see too many of those doing a proper speed.

[FordFalconBF]

In ten years time the speed limit will me 1km/hr.. might as well walk..

[xls3v]

Was in a Holden bloody work ute

[joolz]

Originally Posted by Wally

Every K over is a killer... you just killed ten people.

That commercial is flawed. I dont know of many 70km/h zones in built up residential areas with no service lanes.

[torbirdie]

Analysing the effects of road safety measures by simply looking at the number of deaths is rather simplistic, only a very small % of collisions actually result in deaths.

Its really impossible to say what would happen if speed cameras etc were not around on the total number of deaths. What can be measured though is the rates of serious injury and property damage, all of which go down when cameras/limits are more rigourously enforced.

So some of you reckon that speed cameras and traffic infringements are there just to raise taxes?

Why dont you beat the system and obey the road rules and let all the other wallies pay?

what happens when everyone learns to obey the rules, where will the money come from?

Perhaps it will come from the million dollars saved by our public health system? If not maybe from our personal income tax, we will have more disposable income due to our insurance premiums being lower,
but then again there will be unemployed panel beaters, damn it, we will just need to keep on doing we dont want to put anyone out of work.

[cycle myth]

Yes that would be good.

No speeders, no speeding fines

...........but do you think there will be a nil road toll?

At what time will the penny drop and an angry public take action against the authorities for failing to take the most appropriate action that makes the most positive impact to road safety.

Translation - they are failing us.

[torbirdie]

Originally Posted by cycle myth

Yes that would be good.

No speeders, no speeding fines

...........but do you think there will be a nil road toll?

At what time will the penny drop and an angry public take action against the authorities for failing to take the most appropriate action that makes the most positive impact to road safety.

Translation - they are failing us.

No, unless we rule out cretons from having licences then there will always be some carnage. Yes, cretons are the ones that manage to do 140+km/h in the small hours of the morning/along with alcohol in their system and rap their cars around trees(you know, those ones who think the speed limits are there for "ordinary drivers") or run into something while texting, Im sure we can test personalities for these disorders but it would mean many people getting refused licences. and we could put gps on every driver under 25 to see how fast they go, but heck we all have the right to put our foot down when we know the police cant be looking?

[Bud Bud]

Originally Posted by torbirdie

Yes, cretons are the ones that manage to do 140+km/h in the small hours of the morning/along with alcohol in their system and rap their cars around trees(you know, those ones who think the speed limits are there for "ordinary drivers") or run into something while texting,

I agree with you, but what do speed cameras set at + 10% the posted limit or even less in some states got to do with these morons??? How do these speed cameras save their or even our own lives from them??? If these speed cameras exist now, why are they not working as they are intended??? Or are they!!!

The real public, "you know the ones that pay their due taxes and go about their daily business trying to do the best that they can" know that this system is incredibly flawed because of the same reasons that you have pointed out.

I have never been pro speeding and I do believe in posted speed limits. I also believe that in a country the size of Australia, better roads and better infrastructure should be an absolute priority. It just seems to me that when it gets too hard in this country, they just lower the speed limits more and jack up the fines. When this begins to stall, they just start this cycle all over again.

How on earth does this mentality which is rolled out by our pollies in the name of road safety, stop these mindless fxxxs from hitting speeds of 150 kph + on Magill road just 5 k’s from the Adelaide CBD, and then slamming into a stobie pole with death and carnage the result??? The message that "5 k creeping can kill so we are going to fine you anyway" is just the most stupid and ridiculous campaign going around and only serves to alienate the very same populous that it seeks to protect, mean while the real perpetrators are still causing the carnage. What a great system!

As I said in my opening post, at the moment our road toll in S.A. is up but fixed camera fines are down. This will just result in another excuse to introduce more cameras that will raise even more revenue, or worse (at least from my perspective) a continued lowering of more speed limits. I fear that eventually the limits will be set so low that I too will begin to get caught in the net as well.

The only way that I would agree to this system is if at the end of the year and you did not have an accident or was not booked for any traffic offences, then you would receive a dividend from the revenue that was raised from the remaining offenders. At least you are being rewarded somehow and the Government won't be able to claim that it's not about general revenue. Think of it like this, they dividend could be used to reduce the rego and or third party insurance for those that have earned it._2:

[torbirdie]

Originally Posted by Bud Bud

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How on earth does this mentality which is rolled out by our pollies in the name of road safety, stop these mindless fxxxs from hitting speeds of 150 kph + on Magill road just 5 k’s from the Adelaide CBD, and then slamming into a stobie pole with death and carnage the result??? The message that "5 k creeping can kill so we are going to fine you anyway" is just the most stupid and ridiculous campaign going around and only serves to alienate the very same populous that it seeks to protect, mean while the real perpetrators are still causing the carnage. What a great system!
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It is not the pollies that come up with any of this, it is the road safety experts who make recommendations and then it becomes policy and supported by the politicians.
As I mentioned earlier, stats show that accidents/incidents where limits are closely monitored go down, its that simple.

Its not going to get all the cretons that hit the trees in the small hours, but I notice you have no suggestions on how to stop that, will pulling speed cameras from our roads achieve that?

There will always be people whinging about getting done for 5,10,15km/h over the limit, I bet none of them can tell us the difference in stopping distance for their vehicles for 100km/h and 105km/h.

Of course your vehicle doesnt suddenly become dangerous by exceeding the speed limit by 1km/h, anymore than increasing your blood alcohol level from 0.05 to 0.051, but you are increasing the possibility and extent of a collision.

If you set a 60km/h limit then only enforce infringements for people that exceed that by 10km/h, then all that happens is then you have many of the vehicles going as close to 70km/h as possible(its amazing how accurate most speedos really are) and a wide speed disparity with those drivers who keep to the posted limit, which then causes its own lot of problems.

[Bud Bud]

Originally Posted by torbirdie

(its amazing how accurate most speedos really are)

You would think so wouldn't you. I just returned from a round trip to Melbourne from Adelaide over the weekend in a rental Toyota Tarago with less than 30,000 ks on it and according to the speed advisory devices on the road out to Ballarat on Sunday, at 100 kph indicated speed the car was doing 92 kph according to the first and second one. The third one was not operating.

There was also a portable one operating on the side of the road before Ararat somewhere and at that stage we had an indicated 110 on the speedo (we were left to guess What we should have been doing) and the speed advisory unit indicated 101 kmh and actually flashed too fast slow down after.

Lucky for us the speedo was registering low and not any more than 3 kph higher than the advisory units were indicating otherwise we would have been in trouble, especially in Victoria. But at the end of the day the car is still legal as the ADR only require that the speedo must be within a 10% + or – tolerance.

Can you remember when the Vic Gov chucked out all those speeding fines about 4 or 5 years ago? Well I was one of them. I received a notice from the Vic police claiming I was doing 85 in an 80 on the Monash freeway. I knew it was crap because I used (and still do) my cruise which I always set a fraction lower than the speed limit yet somehow I still got booked. Turns out I was not alone as heaps got thrown out as well. I have travelled to Vic a lot over nearly 30 years now and I have never received a single speeding fine yet, but still managed to get caught up in this debacle. I still have the copy of the notice advising me to disregard the fine somewhere.

You can put all your faith in the accuracy of speedos and even the speed cameras themselves if you want, but for booking people for being around the mark is just plain unfair, and will never help the overall problem of people dying on our roads. All it does is just alienate the majority from the real problem.

As a side note we really did look stupid as cars passed us on the Geelong road on Friday. I honestly thought they were mad as I know timed speed cameras operate on that road. I should of had realised then that the speedo was under reading though!

[torbirdie]

Originally Posted by Bud Bud

You can put all your faith in the accuracy of speedos and even the speed cameras themselves if you want, but for booking people for being around the mark is just plain unfair, and will never help the overall problem of people dying on our roads. All it does is just alienate the majority from the real problem.

I dont think I conveyed my point well enough, there has to be a speed at which fines/demerit points will apply, or do you suggest no speed limits?

If it is known that there is (for arguments sake a 10km/h buffer) all that happens is the majority of the traffic flows at 10km/h more than the intended limit, just as now the speed on suburban roads where I travel seems to hover at 63-4km/h, people are keeping within 5km/h of what they know they will get booked for.
most people have accurate speedos and/or have worked out exactly how far they can push it. So effectively a 60km/h zone becomes a 70km/h zone.
Im sorry you got pulled up for speeding some years ago and the camera was wrong, but the 5km/h buffer is more than generous and most people know when they are in that zone.

Do appreciate that the speed signs are speed LIMIT signs, the speed you are not supposed to exceed, not the speed that you must maintain on a certain stretch of road, though I agree this is not well understood by all drivers and they will harass, tailgate those not doing within 1km/h of the limit.

We still havent heard about how you would address the fueled up younger drivers who part company from the road at excessive speeds.

[Auslandau]

Why does anything with 'Speed camera' in the title ALWAYS turn into poop ..... Cameras are great VS cameras are bad. I hate speed camera threads about as much as speed cameras ..... sorry to the OP with the original discussion Fixed speed camera fine numbers down in S.A. turning into the usual left hand turn .....



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