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Bag The Commodore all you like, but at the end of the day it still out sell the falcon, so it cant be to bad if the Australian public want to keep the Aussie icon alive.
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That same public are also buying lots of i30s and toyotas and this is a ford forum bagging commodores is what we do
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Should bag rice instead, after all Commodores are rwd cars like Falcons.
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People are sheep. Though the Commodore is still a good car, fact is that Holden could get the world's biggest baked-bean can, put a lawn-mower engine into it and have pretty lights inside the cabin, and it would still sell over a superior Ford product. You could have the best car in the world at the same price as the Commodore, and people would still choose the Commodore. Holden have marketed their cars as 'Australian' brilliantly. Conversely, people see Ford Australia as 'American scum'.
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the only real UPPER hand holden has was when ford dropped the V8
IF only they didnt, then as we all know the tides could have been turned holden did capatilise on this ,(as u would) i WAS a holden boy and WAS for a long time, until all the deadbeats who drive crumpldores came with the OPTIONAL attitude u know,, im in a crumpldeore get outta MY way,my cars the best,better than anything kinda attitude so u can thanks these deadbeats that ive jumped camp which i had seen the light years ago older fords have more class , and their owners dont have MASSIVE chips on their shoulders |
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whenever i frequent holden forums, i never see holden enthusiasts crying about the fords.
whenever i visit FF, there's always a new thread with ford enthusiaists whining about this or that about holdens. What is it with you people?
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This applies to both brands.
There is no Australian owned car brand. They are all part of global multi-nationals. Many Aussies get jobs, but profits ultimately go overseas. I think we should all just be grateful we have Australian made cars to choose from. Regardless of whether they are 100% Australian made/designed or not. Being part of a multi-national organisation means these companies may be able to offer better engineered or lower cost components/products from the global resources at their disposal. The fact that Australia continues to have it's own unique products and have it's engineering resources held in such high regard worldwide is admirable. Otherwise all the readers of this forum would be driving around in a Taurus. And Holden would not be exporting Australian-made cars and engines around the world. The fact we have at least two Australian made options is fantastic. If you happen to prefer one brand, great. It's your opinion, and your money. It doesn't mean everything else you don't like is rubbish or un-Australian. |
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as you pointed out, neither is an australian company/car - but one of the companies and their fans make an unrealistic claim that they indeed are - it sells more cars, but doesn't seem to make any more money |
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just because the commodore outsell the falcon, so wat that makes it a better car ?
fleet sales better trade value ect ect help sell cars its not just the general public that buy these cars if the comoodores are SO great why dont the fuzz all have commodores anymore ??? |
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yeah not so many where i live
they have camrys ect |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_straight-six_motor There was a 1.9 Opel 4 cyl that was in the sunbird pre starfire. This was dropped in the interest of increasing Australian content in cars. Toyota corona got the same starfire engine during this period also. Unfortunantly the 2L motor that preceeded it was 1000% better |
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Wow - What a Response....
I've certainly got enough fuel to not only win the argument... but settle a few other 'mis-truths' around re: the General... Thanks guys... any more info - keep it coming... certainly very interesting....
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The starfire 4 was never went in to a LX torana.
The opel 1.9L was in the first months of UC toranas, then the starfire. The starfire 4 had stronger conrods & stronger pistons and the cyl head was of the design of the blue 6 cyl motor. So the 6 cyl blue motor inherited the rods, pistons, cly heads of the starfire 4. cosmo20btt. is on about the conrods in the corona starfire 4. having toyota motor company on them ? I could not imagine toyota going to the trouble of doing anything but just dropping in the holden made motor in to the corona. The rods may of been designed by toyota, and made at the start. but i have never heard of any starfire rods that looked any different to a blue 6 rod. |
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I was told, before Holden released the sportswagon, that ford sell more cars to the public and that holden do most of there sales through Holden leasing, not sure how much truth is in that. I do know one thing HSV sell alot more cars than FPV. Ford have stopped or about to stop production on the Falcon wagon, what a shame as Holden have proved that a little bit of outlay you can have great looking wagon. Not every Ford fan will buy a territory.
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I dont mind the Commodore, for me they have always been more than the sum of its parts. They just seem to drive, handle, steer and brake like they are a very cohesive package, they have a lightness to them and sensitive controls which makes them feel very nimble.
Falcon has always been mechanically much much better than the Commodore, but for me that superiority never translated into the drive expierence. Falcon has all that torque but the lazy throttle and tallllll first gear kind of wasted it, in fact Commodores to me have always felt quicker off the mark. And the Falcons superior suspension which soaks up everything also makes the car feel a bit 'doughy', where the Commodores suspension which doesnt absorb as well makes the Commodore feel more firmer and sportier. A 4 year old VE Berlina pulled up next to me yesterday and I cannot help but notice how modern and handsome the car still is, pumped guards, long wheelbase, short overhangs, with the cab sat back on the wheelbase gives it a very comtemporary look. What kind of puts me off the VE is the size, I feel the VZ was a perfect size. I would recommend the Falcon first, but if someone bought a Commodore I still think they are getting a bloody good car, and Australian made to boot! |
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Sorry to nitpick, but just wanted to fix that misconception that people always seem to have that it was started by the 'American'/US company.
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