The Thailand Special Thread - New Developments/News

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They didn't do a very good last time, it was PAPPA GOVERNMENT SAVE US! OUR ONE CUSTOMER WE SHARE NO CULTURAL VALUES WITH STABBED US IN THE BACK!

Except Pappa Government basically caused the retribution by daring to ask our biggest trading partner 'WTF, your virus bro?' (how dare we question our Sino-overlords)

Then when China backed off, they've gone straight back to having one customer, in a move that surprised absolutely no one.

We've all heard of monopoly, but no one seems to understand the concept of the monopsony, which is what our producers have backed themselves into a corner with.

The problem is you need to do the sales work to diversify before you get stuck in the trade war.

Its a very one sided relationship, our producers need China, but China doesn't need our producers, its a 'nice to have' for their middle class who can afford our products, and there's plenty of other countries they can source commodities from, thats the problem being a commodity trader, they're commodities - low value, easily sourced/produced goods and why Australia has an 'economic complexity' ranked somewhere around Uganda, because we basically either dig shit up out of the ground, sell animals/vegetables or sell real estate to foreign interests using our market to launder money out of their own economies.

I have issues with China like everyone else, but lets use some lube before we bend over. I'm waiting for the accusations to start about me being on CCP payroll

You're all here playing checkers and China is playing 4D chess, we're up shit creek without a paddle if we play trade war with our biggest trading partner before we get our shit together and diversify to new markets.

It's off topic, but they actually DO need the coal and iron ore - we're a very reliable, relatively close, high quality provider. So when they spat the dummy and blacklisted our products, they shot themselves in the foot badly with coal, forcing rationing and factories were prioritised leading to reports of everyday people not having heating in north China's brutal winter. Notice in all that they didn't blacklist iron ore - we hold them over a barrel with that one. On top of that 70% of the East Coast's gas is on contract to go to China, I wonder if that's significant?

There's an idea within the BRICS that commodity producers get together, form a currency backed by the resources, and basically demand more/hold power over consumers. In this tariff example, Australia inadvertently (Scomo, did you think before you spoke? Nevertheless, it was the most bold bit of statesmanship done by an Aussie PM post WW2) ended up doing the commodity squeeze on the C in the BRICS.

In history, the Dutch East Indies turned off the oil to imperial Japan in 1940 with not enough military muscle to defend it, as Japan expanded throughout South East Asia (Indochina). Not long after, they got rolled.

Also out of interest, the Imperial Japanese war aim was the 'Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere', whereby raw materials from the 'Southern Area' were value added in Japan, as part of an empire. (They largely achieved this post war!) If you look at the Made In China 2049 plan, it's not all that dis-similar.

Our economic complexity rivalling Uganda is due to insanely stupid industry policy for the last 40 years, we've complained about it here enough. If we deliver coffees to another fast enough, we can raise GDP. If not, add more people.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Its not an open market, its protected by legislation, and tax incentives which encourage consumers towards Thailand Specials, it also reduces your taxable income on centrelink entitlements on family tax benefit and childcare subsidies if you have an ABN and a Thailand Special.

There's other competitors with the same feature set, as per the Isuzu DMax we've been talking about in the same page, which is $32K DA at the povvo spec end, which includes a lot of those 5 star ANCAP features - $13K cheaper than the Ranger, and it also comes from Thailand so it exposed to the same drama with the Australian peso.

None of those ANCAP requirements are legislated, they're just 'nice to have', everyone hates all this autonomous bullshit, especially on this forum there's huge discussion about it, and there's only a couple people here who prefer the car driving for them.

If you look at private vehicle sales, using the 2023 full year as the metric, the Tesla Model Y is Australia's most popular vehicle amongst private buyers, so Australian consumers prefer EVs (as of 2023) - I don't consider corporate purchases as 'consumers' (people), they don't have tax incentives to buy Thailand Specials.

Hum, hasn't there been incentives for yonks your neglecting from Fed/State Govs buying EV's till some changes recently State by State and some that are yet to enforce till later ?
So whats the diff be it dual cab tax incentives to your fav no1 private sales brand ?
Private EV buyers have been getting a leg in since they entered or doesn't this count ?

Just go buy your chinese made model3 Franco and join the party, I mean CCP haha

Just a few random's below....I can't be bothered hunting the bigger incentives from way back for PRIVATE EV buyers.

The NT Government is offering residential grants of $1,000 and business grants of $2,500 to EV owners.
Since July 1, 2022, eligible low- or zero-emission vehicles are exempt from FBT. This exemption can be particularly beneficial for those purchasing an EV through a novated lease.
EV purchasers Australia-wide can enjoy these benefits in 2024: Exemption from fringe benefits tax (FBT) for EVs and PHEVs under the luxury car tax threshold. Higher luxury car tax (LCT) threshold: $89,332 compared to $76,950 for petrol and diesel vehicles.
The federal government offers a $12000 rebate for those who buy electric vehicles.22 Dec 2023.
Reduced Registration Fees: EVs are eligible for reduced registration fees. The annual registration fee for an EV is $91, compared to $249 for a petrol or diesel car.

and this later
A road user charge will apply to eligible EVs from 1 July 2027 or when EVs make up 30 per cent of all new vehicle sales, whichever comes first. Plug-in hybrid EVs will be charged a fixed 80 per cent proportion of the full road user charge to reflect their vehicle type.

[prydey]

There seems to be an assumption that if the subsidies stopped, those people benefiting from them would buy different vehicles.

This is not rational because many of those people are still buying the vehicles they need.

Of course their may be some that only bought due to the subsidy but it's impossible to say what those people would buy if the subsidy didn't exist.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Hum, hasn't there been incentives for yonks your neglecting from Fed/State Govs buying EV's till some changes recently State by State and some that are yet to enforce till later ?
So whats the diff be it dual cab tax incentives to your fav no1 private sales brand ?
Private EV buyers have been getting a leg in since they entered or doesn't this count ?

Just go buy your chinese made model3 Franco and join the party, I mean CCP haha

Just a few random's below....I can't be bothered hunting the bigger incentives from way back for PRIVATE EV buyers.

The NT Government is offering residential grants of $1,000 and business grants of $2,500 to EV owners.
Since July 1, 2022, eligible low- or zero-emission vehicles are exempt from FBT. This exemption can be particularly beneficial for those purchasing an EV through a novated lease.
EV purchasers Australia-wide can enjoy these benefits in 2024: Exemption from fringe benefits tax (FBT) for EVs and PHEVs under the luxury car tax threshold. Higher luxury car tax (LCT) threshold: $89,332 compared to $76,950 for petrol and diesel vehicles.
The federal government offers a $12000 rebate for those who buy electric vehicles.22 Dec 2023.
Reduced Registration Fees: EVs are eligible for reduced registration fees. The annual registration fee for an EV is $91, compared to $249 for a petrol or diesel car.

and this later
A road user charge will apply to eligible EVs from 1 July 2027 or when EVs make up 30 per cent of all new vehicle sales, whichever comes first. Plug-in hybrid EVs will be charged a fixed 80 per cent proportion of the full road user charge to reflect their vehicle type.

Close, but the devil is in the details

- Used EVs (first used before July 1, 2022) aren't eligible, but Thailand Specials still are, so you can buy a used Thailand Special and get all the tax advantages, but you can't buy a used EV.

- EVs fall under the car cost limit under Income Tax Assessment, caps the maximum value of a vehicle that can be used for claiming depreciation and GST credits which is capped at $68K, but because Thailand Specials aren't 'cars' for tax purposes, they can claim the full GST and depreciation credits regardless of the purchase price.


- FBT exempt EVs still have reportable fringe benefit disclosures, but FBT exempt Thailand Specials don't, which are taken into account with family tax benefit, childcare subsidies, higher education loans and other stuff. So someone with a Thailand Special, has entitlement advantages for shit like childcare subsidies and Centrelink entitlements they probably wouldn't be eligible for with other cars.

They're still incentivising Thailand Specials well above and beyond EVs,

Next time don't try use my own misinformation tactics against me, you need to tell at least half the story not just 20% of it

Canberra is interfering in our new car market, you can't have the VFACTS and 'consumer' conversation without addressing the federal governments interference in our new car market, otherwise its just misinformation.

I don't particularly care that certain vehicles are getting tax advantages, but you don't get to play it both ways, the people who whinge about 'my taxes' usually are the offenders with the Thailand Special playing the game

If you want to play the my taxes game, ask our societies biggest cash-cows (DINKs) what they think about paying for others kids education and child care.

VicRoads gives you a $100 discount on your rego fee for an EV, which is the same discount I get on any car for being regional, so its not like there's anything above and beyond for EV owners in rego and that sort of thing.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

There seems to be an assumption that if the subsidies stopped, those people benefiting from them would buy different vehicles.

This is not rational because many of those people are still buying the vehicles they need.

Of course their may be some that only bought due to the subsidy but it's impossible to say what those people would buy if the subsidy didn't exist.

If that was the case, then why does this happen?

Tesla Model Y was Australia’s best-selling car among private buyers in 2023

The favourite new car among private buyers in Australia last year was electric – the Tesla Model Y family SUV – for the first time, new data shows.

The Ford Ranger and Toyota HiLux have led overall new-vehicle sales for close to a decade, when sales from all buyer types – including business and trade fleets, governments and rental-car companies – are included.

But when only private buyers – who paid for their car and registered it in their name – are counted, the Tesla Model Y electric SUV topped the charts ahead of the MG ZS and Toyota RAV4 SUVs.

The Ford Ranger and Toyota HiLux utes remain in the Top 10, but they fall from first and second overall – to fourth and eighth respectively.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/best-s...e-buyers-2023/

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

If that was the case, then why does this happen?



https://www.drive.com.au/news/best-s...e-buyers-2023/

Why does what happen?

Most vehicles bought using an abn would be legitimate purchases regardless of subsidy.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

Getting rid of the subsidies doesn't mean that suddenly the ute buyer will buy something else instead if that ute is necessary for the business.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

Why does what happen?

Most vehicles bought using an abn would be legitimate purchases regardless of subsidy.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

Getting rid of the subsidies doesn't mean that suddenly the ute buyer will buy something else instead if that ute is necessary for the business.

Not dual cabs, because they're useless for work

Single cab, trayback for sure,

Or vans,

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Close, but the devil is in the details

- Used EVs (first used before July 1, 2022) aren't eligible, but Thailand Specials still are, so you can buy a used Thailand Special and get all the tax advantages, but you can't buy a used EV.

- EVs fall under the car cost limit under Income Tax Assessment, caps the maximum value of a vehicle that can be used for claiming depreciation and GST credits which is capped at $68K, but because Thailand Specials aren't 'cars' for tax purposes, they can claim the full GST and depreciation credits regardless of the purchase price.


- FBT exempt EVs still have reportable fringe benefit disclosures, but FBT exempt Thailand Specials don't, which are taken into account with family tax benefit, childcare subsidies, higher education loans and other stuff. So someone with a Thailand Special, has entitlement advantages for shit like childcare subsidies and Centrelink entitlements they probably wouldn't be eligible for with other cars.

They're still incentivising Thailand Specials well above and beyond EVs,

Next time don't try use my own misinformation tactics against me, you need to tell at least half the story not just 20% of it

Canberra is interfering in our new car market, you can't have the VFACTS and 'consumer' conversation without addressing the federal governments interference in our new car market, otherwise its just misinformation.

I don't particularly care that certain vehicles are getting tax advantages, but you don't get to play it both ways, the people who whinge about 'my taxes' usually are the offenders with the Thailand Special playing the game

If you want to play the my taxes game, ask our societies biggest cash-cows (DINKs) what they think about paying for others kids education and child care.

VicRoads gives you a $100 discount on your rego fee for an EV, which is the same discount I get on any car for being regional, so its not like there's anything above and beyond for EV owners in rego and that sort of thing.

haha Franco I could play back and forth though seriously have not much care hence hardly debating, my response was highlighting EV new purchase "incentives".
We're talking NEW purchase sales no more no less.
What directive the Feds do is what it is for decades, you work with what you can and cannot do.
As for the "whinges" - hey I agree there, back in my day the whinging Pom was the common mention amongst many - thats long gone, general Australians have taken that mantle 3fold last 25yrs at least.
Don't know how damn good they have it full stop period compared to most other civilised western countries and here we are.
Oh DINKS have a bone to pic where their tax's go re childcare and education, christ turn it up.
Are people that picky and fickle - tuff titties, we're paying tax's and could whinge moan over so much waste and why what part of our tax's going to a sector that doesn't apply to ME.
FFS.
Overall I'm happy to HELP.
Be it DINKS add Boomers, < the scorn of the young gens though paying that don't apply to them as well, oh hang on they have too much wealth.

By the way Dual Cabs suffice for general light duty work, some don't need tray backs single cabs, not every dual cab purchase is the way you see but far enough its just your opinion no more no less.


Anyway lets move on even after your reply that I'm sure will be at my throat for we should stay on topic as much as we can.
Peace man.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by FTE217

haha Franco I could play back and forth though seriously have not much care hence hardly debating, my response was highlighting EV new purchase "incentives".
We're talking NEW purchase sales no more no less.
What directive the Feds do is what it is for decades, you work with what you can and cannot do.
As for the "whinges" - hey I agree there, back in my day the whinging Pom was the common mention amongst many - thats long gone, general Australians have taken that mantle 3fold last 25yrs at least.
Don't know how damn good they have it full stop period compared to most other civilised western countries and here we are.
Oh DINKS have a bone to pic where their tax's go re childcare and education, christ turn it up.
Are people that picky and fickle - tuff titties, we're paying tax's and could whinge moan over so much waste and why what part of our tax's going to a sector that doesn't apply to ME.
FFS.
Overall I'm happy to HELP.
Be it DINKS add Boomers, < the scorn of the young gens though paying that don't apply to them as well, oh hang on they have too much wealth.

By the way Dual Cabs suffice for general light duty work, some don't need tray backs single cabs, not every dual cab purchase is the way you see but far enough its just your opinion no more no less.


Anyway lets move on even after your reply that I'm sure will be at my throat for we should stay on topic as much as we can.
Peace man.

Off topic
I want to complain
Cost of living crisis
I finally discovered this crisis
Yesterday
One Haas Avocado
$2.90
At woolworths
This is a CRISIS

[smoo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

As for the "whinges" - hey I agree there, back in my day the whinging Pom was the common mention amongst many - thats long gone, general Australians have taken that mantle 3fold last 25yrs at least.
Don't know how damn good they have it full stop period compared to most other civilised western countries and here we are.

Off topic (or maybe not if high financed dual cab/70 series is involved).
I’m currently working on a mine site.
One fitter here in his 50s, everything coming outa his mouth is a whinge. He whinges about his pay and roster… $170k on an 8/6.
Another one mid 20s bloke refused to sign on to the company (from a labour hire mob) because $170k and 8/6 isn’t enough, apparently.
I don’t think I’ve come across so much laziness, entitlement and perceived self worth IRL since working on a site.
Funny, considering they’d be boat loads of Indians and Filipinos lining up to do the same job for a fraction of the pay.

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

- Used EVs (first used before July 1, 2022) aren't eligible, but Thailand Specials still are, so you can buy a used Thailand Special and get all the tax advantages, but you can't buy a used EV.

Now, who is being selective. The EV incentive was designed to increase the EV fleet size at a time that early adopters were starting to offload their first EV and go back to ICE. Allowing the EV incentive on second hand vehicles just gives a get out of jail free card to those who had one. It is a bit like the incentives on purchasing new energy efficient appliances (like converting gas to heat pumps) and saying "OK, we will pay out on old second hand heat pumps as well, broken or not.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

- EVs fall under the car cost limit under Income Tax Assessment, caps the maximum value of a vehicle that can be used for claiming depreciation and GST credits which is capped at $68K, but because Thailand Specials aren't 'cars' for tax purposes, they can claim the full GST and depreciation credits regardless of the purchase price.

Aren't cars eh?

This is what the ATO has to say;

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https://www.ato.gov.au/tax-and-super...hicle-expenses

Car
A ‘car’ is a motor vehicle (including electric vehicle) that is designed to carry:

1. a load of less than one tonne, and
2. fewer than 9 passengers.

Many four-wheel drives and some utes are classed as cars.

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That is why certain model Rangers have a payload of 985kg, whereas the single cab tray back has a 1327kg payload. Because when the payload is under 1,000kg, --- by the ATO rules --- the vehicle can be a novated lease. Over 1,000kgs it cannot.

FBT is certainly payable on a novated lease ... that is why FBT was introduced. The "incentive" is that the owner can shift post tax 45% to pre-tax of 15%. But this is not restricted to what is derogatorily called Thailand specials; it also applies to every "car" that is on the market.

As for the FBT exemption, another set of rules apply.

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See https://www.ato.gov.au/businesses-an...gible-vehicles

To use an FBT vehicle privately, then the exemption events apply.


Vehicles eligible for the exemption

The following vehicles are eligible for the limited private use exemption:

a single cab ute
a dual cab ute that is designed to either

• carry a load of 1 tonne or more
• carry more than 8 passengers (including the driver)
• carry a load of less than 1 tonne but is not designed for the principal purpose of carrying passengers. To work out if a dual cab ute meets this condition, see MT 2024 Fringe benefits tax: dual cab vehicles eligibility for exemption where private use is limited to certain work-related travel on our legal database

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Followed by a list of what the ATO considered exempt uses. Remember, FBT exemption only applies to Rangers, Hilux, et al that have a payload of greater than 1 tonne or more.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

- FBT exempt EVs still have reportable fringe benefit disclosures, but FBT exempt Thailand Specials don't, which are taken into account with family tax benefit, childcare subsidies, higher education loans and other stuff. So someone with a Thailand Special, has entitlement advantages for shit like childcare subsidies and Centrelink entitlements they probably wouldn't be eligible for with other cars.

They're still incentivising Thailand Specials well above and beyond EVs,

Most Rangers and Hilux (with a payload capacity under 1,000 kgs) are treated as a "car" by the ATO and attract FBT. What you need is a list of

A) Ford Rangers sold under 1 tonne payload (which will attract an FBT)
B) Ford Rangers sold over 1 tonne payload (which are FBT exempt)

If a Ford Ranger is sold to an owner post-tax, you have nothing to whinge about.

If a Ford Ranger is classified as having under 1,000 kg payload (by ATO rules), it is treated as a car and subject to FBT. Once again, you have nothing to whinge about.

If a Ford Ranger is classified has having over 1,000 kg payload, it may (repeat may) be FBT exempt. But in doing so, it rules out novated leases. Which, is the major attractiveness to office professionals who drive their 4WD to work. Further, there is a set list of uses for FBT exemption. Use outside this list the vehicle attracts FBT (and log books, etc).

The EV FBT exemption was actually a special carve out tax savings for EV purchasers. Because ATO classify a vehicle with a payload under 1,000kg as a 'car' and hence subject to FBT, this clause was a freebie by the ALP to convert it to non-FBT assessable whilst allowing it to be still used in circumstances that would otherwise result in the ATO slapping FBT assessable. This is the complete opposite to the "facts" that you are trying to assert.

Rather than it being a freebie to the Ranger, Hilux, et al ... it was actually a freebie to the EV.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Next time don't try use my own misinformation tactics against me, you need to tell at least half the story not just 20% of it

Hummm .....

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

It's much better offroad.
Best bit it has 4H so you can drive around in 4wd all the time on any surface.

Throttle is laggy, so just needs a controller.
Engine is bullet-proof and the transmission is a Toyota box.
No stupid lane keeping.

Ended up buying the Pajero Sport.

Managed to find an ex Mitsubishi Motors executives MY23 GLX with 10k k's in Graphite Grey, 4x4, with towbar, Redarc towpro elite and full set of mats already fitted which is the exact combo we were after, for $45.7kda with 9yrs of factory warranty remaining.
Its the QF series, not current QG but basically same car minus 3rd row seats that we dont need and the revised grill and bumper.
A saving of 7.5k da over the white demo we looked at last week with same extra's or 11k da over a new one in grey with same extras.
Plus we got 1k more for our trade in.

With the money saved we added full protection pack which includes premium tint plus ceramic coat and trim coat, bonnet protector, weather shields, dash emblem, dashmat, nudgebar with lightbar, boot spoiler, cargo mat, leather key protector pouches and premium plates, much of which they discounted to get us in budget.
Touch over 50k da which was only $500 more than the bare white demo's sticker price before on roads.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Close, but the devil is in the details

Thailand Special, has entitlement advantages for shit like childcare subsidies and Centrelink entitlements they probably wouldn't be eligible for with other cars.

Mate when you get a girlfriend, or a female partner, and you have a child together, you’ll know what childcare is and how expensive it also is.

Yeah “shit like childcare subsidies”. Tough guy.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Mate when you get a girlfriend, or a female partner, and you have a child together, you’ll know what childcare is and how expensive it also is.

Yeah “shit like childcare subsidies”. Tough guy.

You know what my family did?

One parent didn't work and looked after the kids,

As in, my ENTIRE extended family, the mothers didn't work, stayed home and looked after their children, we didn't do childcare, out family actually looked after their own children instead of outsourcing it to some third party like you.

Now if that's not achievable in 2024, is the problem the cost of childcare.

Or is it the cost of living and house prices?

Big brain time, you figure out the root cause of this problem.

Here's another take that I'd run with - you can't afford kids, then don't have them. Which is a decision many people are making which is why we've been below replacement rate of our population for a while now, more people are dying than being born.

The world needs less people, not more of them, you should be compensating me for doing the right thing, but here I am paying for YOUR decision to have children YOU can't afford.

I'm paying for their taxpayer funded education, their taxpayer funded childcare, their taxpayer funded healthcare, what do I get out of this deal?

Now I don't particularly care, I'd rather look after our people (including your kids) and make it a bit easier for everyone, if we end up with children who had a better run through the system than I had then we're making progress.

But that's the other perspective here and one someone can run with if they want to take it all away from you. I'm not going to lose out of that deal, but you certainly will, so you probably want to keep as many people on side as possible.

Plenty of subcontinental families in Melbourne getting the grandparents doing the heavy lifting of childcare, but theyre paying for the lazy white man who can't look after his own kids, think about that one tonight when you're facing the ceiling in bed, because a foreign culture might not be as willing to give as much as I am.

[BENT_8]

You both have valid points guys.

All I'll say is, Govco need population growth to fuel the housing ponzi cash cow so im sure they've done the sums.
Childcare is one of if not the biggest growth industry in the country for the reasons you say Franco, but it also creates jobs that reap tax and allow parents to both work to fuel the ponzi and pay the man.

Its a vicious circle.

On a brighter note, the dealer just rang and offered us $400 off the nudgebar to accept the polished version they have in stock over the black version they'd need to order ex Melbourne.
So we took the offer and with the saving, addrd headlight protectors, full set of rubber mats to keep the sand out of the carpet when we launch/retrieve the Waverunner and the bumper protector flap thingy for when the little lady drags the Grand babys pram in and out.

I think, at 15 selections, weve just about cleaned out their spare parts department of all accessories.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

You both have valid points guys.

All I'll say is, Govco need population growth to fuel the housing ponzi cash cow so im sure they've done the sums.
Childcare is one of if not the biggest growth industry in the country for the reasons you say Franco, but it also creates jobs that reap tax and allow parents to both work to fuel the ponzi and pay the man.

Its a vicious circle.

Got a drama locally where I live that we got three new childcare facilities but no people to look after people's children.

Because they can't afford to live in our shitty little town with an hour plus commute where we all work, because we got NIMBYs gate keeping our community to keep asset prices out of control.

I don't have kids, but I also have buy in because I don't like seeing this effect families in my community.

But I also don't have anything to gain out of trying to find solutions to fix it either.

It's a lot better to keep me on side than encourage me to work for my own interests, because what benefits me takes away from you. I'm about to become the largest voting demographic in the country and a lot of us are salty over one thing or another and aren't so easy going as I am or can see the 'greater good'.

Maybe I'm the person our society needs, that's a strange twist of circumstances

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Got a drama locally where I live that we got three new childcare facilities but no people to look after people's children.

Because they can't afford to live in our shitty little town with an hour plus commute where we all work.

I don't have kids, but I also have buy in because I don't like seeing this effect families in my community.

But I also don't have anything to gain out of trying to find solutions to fix it either.

It's a lot better to keep me on side than encourage me to work for my own interests, because what benefits me takes away from you. I'm about to become the largest voting demographic in the country.

Totally agreed, they're popping up everywhere and most are already full and have waiting lists before the doors even open for the first time.

Having raised our 4 the same way your Family did, one worker, one at home carer, I totally get your angle and im not sure why anyone would want to look after anyone elses screaming rug rats so worker shortages isnt surprising either.

It certainly is a different world mate, thats for sure, instead of wanting to be parents in our kids present lives, people would rather have fat inheritence portfolio's for 50yrs down the track.

[XR Martin]

The point of subsidised childcare is to get 50% of the population into the workforce.
So those extra people working are contributing via their taxes.
The downside is that households have more income than before, which means they can spend more on homes and prices go up.
A single person 50 years ago could afford to buy a house, because most households only had one income earner. Now that most households have two incomes, that means the single person is priced out of the market.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

The point of subsidised childcare is to get 50% of the population into the workforce.
So those extra people working are contributing via their taxes.
The downside is that households have more income than before, which means they can spend more on homes and prices go up.
A single person 50 years ago could afford to buy a house, because most households only had one income earner. Now that most households have two incomes, that means the single person is priced out of the market.

You could do it 20 years ago, so it's not like it was such a long time ago, imagine if we were better at collecting revenue on our exports and other things we sell off cheap that they pay zero taxes on, you probably wouldn't need to smash individuals so hard on income taxes.

Before anyone accused me of being a blue haired lesbian who lives in Brunswick, I'm in the center politically, so I'm hated by both sides of politics.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

You know what my family did?

One parent didn't work and looked after the kids,

As in, my ENTIRE extended family, the mothers didn't work, stayed home and looked after their children, we didn't do childcare, out family actually looked after their own children instead of outsourcing it to some third party like you.

Now if that's not achievable in 2024, is the problem the cost of childcare.

Or is it the cost of living and house prices?

Big brain time, you figure out the root cause of this problem.

Here's another take that I'd run with - you can't afford kids, then don't have them. Which is a decision many people are making which is why we've been below replacement rate of our population for a while now, more people are dying than being born.

The world needs less people, not more of them, you should be compensating me for doing the right thing, but here I am paying for YOUR decision to have children YOU can't afford.

I'm paying for their taxpayer funded education, their taxpayer funded childcare, their taxpayer funded healthcare, what do I get out of this deal?

Now I don't particularly care, I'd rather look after our people (including your kids) and make it a bit easier for everyone, if we end up with children who had a better run through the system than I had then we're making progress.

But that's the other perspective here and one someone can run with if they want to take it all away from you. I'm not going to lose out of that deal, but you certainly will, so you probably want to keep as many people on side as possible.

Plenty of subcontinental families in Melbourne getting the grandparents doing the heavy lifting of childcare, but theyre paying for the lazy white man who can't look after his own kids, think about that one tonight when you're facing the ceiling in bed, because a foreign culture might not be as willing to give as much as I am.

Like I said, you have no idea, and bagging “child care”, is a cop out.

Bag your woke politicians, and not hard working Australians that need to send their children to “child care” so they can make “ends meet”. The people in that industry are hard working underpaid individuals that do a fantastic job of looking after children.

Parents that send their children to child care, are not lazy or as you say “not be as willing to give as much as I am”.

Kindergarten which is free for some families, is also a brilliant way for children to learn and develop but, that also costs money.
FYI: Child care is NOT free for most.

Is Free Kinder, Healthcare and, School “Shit” ?

35 years ago a residential home in Victorian areas like Geelong, Ballarat, etc could be bought for a little over twice a decent wage, now it’s 15 times that.

Is child care “shit” ? I think not, get married, have a family and you’ll see.

Your hatred of “Thailand Specials”, has unfortunately shown you have some other underlying personal issues you need to address, don’t bag “the lazy white man who can't look after his own kids” as you say.

Talk to a professional.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

You could do it 20 years ago, so it's not like it was such a long time ago, imagine if we were better at collecting revenue on our exports and other things we sell off cheap that they pay zero taxes on, you probably wouldn't need to smash individuals so hard on income taxes.

Before anyone accused me of being a blue haired lesbian who lives in Brunswick, I'm in the center politically, so I'm hated by both sides of politics.

A single person can still do it today, they just have to start off at the bottom rather than go straight for the 3 bed family home in an established suburb.

Our Daughter is weeks away from hand over of her first home, she signed up in October 2021 as a single income buyer, no boyfriend etc. to share expenses, saved her own deposit, she was 21 at the time.
Its been a marathon but the finishline is in sight.

Our Son did exactly the same at 21yo in 2020.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Like I said, you have no idea, and bagging “child care”, is a cop out.

Bag your woke politicians, and not hard working Australians that need to send their children to “child care” so they can make “ends meet”. The people in that industry are hard working underpaid individuals that do a fantastic job of looking after children.

Parents that send their children to child care, are not lazy or as you say “not be as willing to give as much as I am”.

Kindergarten which is free for some families, is also a brilliant way for children to learn and develop but, that also costs money.
FYI: Child care is NOT free for most.

Is Free Kinder, Healthcare and, School “Shit” ?

35 years ago a residential home in Victorian areas like Geelong, Ballarat, etc could be bought for a little over twice a decent wage, now it’s 15 times that.

Is child care “shit” ? I think not, get married, have a family and you’ll see.

Your hatred of “Thailand Specials”, has unfortunately shown you have some other underlying personal issues you need to address, don’t bag “the lazy white man who can't look after his own kids” as you say.

Talk to a professional.

It's alright we can't all be on the same level

Stop projecting would be advice that a professional would give you I reckon, you're fixated on me settling down and starting a family, maybe you can't get it through that thick skull of yours that not everyone needs to reproduce.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

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It's alright we can't all be on the same level

My parents were immigrants from Europe, white, and back in those days you could “make ends meet” by working hard “and by not being white and lazy” as you said above.

Now that opportunity to be prosperous is not possible for most, talk to your politicians about that. Child care helps younger families now.

BTW: the best thing that has happened in local Victorian council elections is that the “Greens” were absolutely demolished.

You do “you”, I don’t care if you’re gay, trans, hetro, or something else.

[PG2]

... and once again, Franco wins.

Guys, and Gals, I'm happy to be corrected, but child care and what it costs has absolutely nothing to do with Thai specials.

Unless I can be corrected, any further posts that are not related to the topic will be deleted.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PG2

... and once again, Franco wins.

Guys, and Gals, I'm happy to be corrected, but child care and what it costs has absolutely nothing to do with Thai specials.

Unless I can be corrected, any further posts that are not related to the topic will be deleted.

Technically it does, because tax exemptions on Thailand Specials that effect Centrelink entitlements and childcare subsidies, that you don't get on on other types of vehicles

But that's a long bow to draw

To bring it all back on topic,



Also an American reviews the British povvo pack Ranger XL

We Drove the Ultra-Basic, Manual Ford Ranger That Americans Can't Buy

Britain’s base spec Ranger doesn't even come with air conditioning standard.

Our first impressions of the new, T6.2 Michigan-built Ranger were overwhelmingly positive - from the basic 2.3-liter four-cylinder Ecoboost to the 3.0-liter turbo V-6 powered Ranger Raptor. But it is frustrating that America is going to be denied a genuine ‘work truck’ spec, even though these are still offered in other parts of the world. All U.S. Rangers, from the base XL upwards, come in four-door double-cab configuration and get an automatic gearbox as standard. Also painted bumpers and alloy wheels. Yet in Europe, the most basic configuration is an old-fashioned stripper that wears the familiar marks of automotive poverty unpainted gray bumpers and steel wheels. It also comes with a single cab, a manual gearbox, and a turbodiesel four-cylinder engine. Should America be jealous?

Base means different things in different parts of the world, with the first surprise being the list of extras that even the cheapest Euro-spec Ranger gets as standard. Having to meet the requirements of the European Union’s recently introduced Vehicle General Safety Regulation means it has automatic emergency braking, active lane departure warning with steering input, and speed limit detection. With all the necessary sensors on board, Ford also gives every European Ranger distance-keeping radar cruise control, a feature reserved for luxury cars even a decade ago. Euro safety rules also dictate both rear parking sensors and a reversing camera.

But in other areas, the European Ranger XL remains Spartan in its disdain for fripperies. Front and rear bumpers are unpainted, as are the wheel-arch protectors that sit above the 16-inch steel rims, also side mirrors caps and door handles. The bodywork carries no decorative trim at all, the headlights lack the DRL strips of plusher Rangers, bumpers are thin moldings and even the vents in the front fenders are blanks.

Ford had upgraded my demo truck with the Winter Pack which brings an electric windshield defroster, heated steering wheel, and manual air conditioning. Temperature control is displayed digitally on the touchscreen, but the base doesn’t have automatic temperature regulation - turning the heat dial just moves a line between blue and red. Other ticked options on the demo included the Power Pack, which brings a second battery, inverter, and an AC socket in the loadspace, the Body Protection Pack which adds a rear differential lock a fuel tank guard, and a spray-in bed protector.

the XL gets a much more proletarian 2.0-liter four-pot that makes a modest 168 hp and a much more impressive 298 lb-ft.

Only when it comes to money does the appeal of the basic Euro Ranger fade a little; this definitely isn’t a rival to the $10,000 Toyota Hilux Champ we drove in Japan last year. Un-optioned the single cab XL starts at £28,875 without sales tax in the U.K. That might sound like less than the $32,670 starting MSRP for a Ranger in the U.S., but the UK price actually converts to $36,500 at current exchange rates. That is almost identically priced to our better-equipped Ranger XL 4x4, but it makes the British-spec single cab $3800 pricier than the Ranger XL 4x2 that sits at the bottom of the U.S. range. With options our test truck was £30,855, a smidge over $39,000.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...ro-base-model/

[jpd80]

Here’s a nice review of the 2.7 EB Ranger

Tested: 2024 Ford Ranger XLT's Optional Twin-Turbo V-6 Is a Sweet Treat
It's no trick: The mid-size Ranger pickup's optional 315-hp twin-turbo V-6 makes it nearly as quick to 60 mph as the 405-hp Raptor.

PUBLISHED: NOV 13, 2024
VerifiedREVIEWED BY
AUSTIN IRWIN
Technical Editor

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...anger-v6-test/

Every fall, we're reminded to check our Halloween candy for mischief. What are the troublemakers hiding in caramel these days? It's hard to remember. Here's something else that's hiding right beneath our noses. It's Ford's V-6-powered Ranger. The optional powertrain unwraps 315 horsepower, but the sweetest part is that it makes this unassuming mid-size pickup nearly as quick as the high-flying Ranger Raptor.

HIGHS: Enough performance to spook the Raptor, fiendishly good ride, no real fuel-economy penalty versus the four-cylinder.

Ford's twin-turbo 2.7-liter V-6 has been around almost as long as Good & Plenty (okay, give or take 120 years). Introduced for the F-150 in 2014, the turbo six was a bit of an outlier as it was the only F-150 powerplant that didn't use a block that consisted of all aluminum. Ford has doled out revisions to its V-6 over the years, and the engine is optional in the Bronco and the Ranger, where it's a $2195 upcharge over the standard turbocharged 2.3-liter four.

A Uniquely Positioned Powertrain
The twin-turbo V-6 is also a bit of an anomaly in the mid-size truck segment. Every Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon uses a turbo-four, as does the Toyota Tacoma. The Jeep Gladiator, Nissan Frontier, and Honda Ridgeline use larger V-6s, none of which are turbocharged, nor do they offer as much horsepower or torque as the Ranger. The test results certainly highlight the latter point.

Available only on four-wheel-drive Ranger XLT or Lariat models, the V-6 posted impressive acceleration results. Its 5.6-second launch to 60 mph is 0.6 second quicker than the four-cylinder Lariat we tested and just 0.3 second slower than the 405-hp Raptor that's powered by a slightly larger and much more powerful twin-turbo 3.0-liter V-6. From a 5-mph roll, the V-6's torque advantage of 90 pound-feet over the base 2.3-liter materializes into a 1.4-second lead to 60 mph.

The V-6's passing power is even more impressive—something Ranger drivers are likely to rely on more often than tire-warming launches from a stop. It takes just 3.1 seconds to accelerate from 30 to 50 mph, just 0.1 second slower than the Raptor and 0.6 second quicker than the base engine. From 50 to 70 mph, the V-6 Ranger is even more remarkable: Its 3.8-second time is 0.1-second improvement over the Raptor's and 1.8 seconds quicker than a 326-hp Tacoma Hybrid we tested.

The Ranger is near its speed limiter at the end of the quarter-mile with the acceleration tapering off. The V-6 does it in 14.5 seconds at 94 mph, the four-cylinder did it 14.8 seconds at 93 mph, and the Raptor got there in 14.1 seconds at 97 mph.

Few Downsides
One might expect the high-power engine to pack a major fuel penalty, but the V-6 Ranger's fuel economy isn't much worse than the four-cylinder's. That isn't to say it's very good. On our 200-mile highway fuel-economy test, the Ranger V-6 managed 20 mpg, 3 mpg short of its EPA estimate. And while we haven't performed a highway test on the four-cylinder truck, the difference in their highway fuel-economy EPA estimates is a single mpg. The mid-size segment has but one fuel-friendly choice: the all-wheel-drive Honda Ridgeline, which achieved a fantastic result of 28 mpg on our highway test.


The V-6 is icing on the cake for the new Ranger, which is significantly improved over the one before it. The ride is smooth and without the jostle and bounce of most pickup trucks. The steering is still pretty vague but has a strong return to center. The new Ranger's revised suspension with aluminum front upper and lower control arms and its rear dampers mounted outboard of the leaf springs are meaningful updates that can be felt as quickly as the suspension is put to work.

LOWS: Boo-worthy standard-equipment list, 20 mpg highway is still not great, options quickly push the price into F-150 territory.
Every Ranger uses the same four-door crew cab and five-foot box (which actually measures 59.6 inches instead of the previous 61.0). Compared to the four-cylinder Lariat we tested, the V-6 truck (equipped with additional off-road protection via the $1445 FX4 Off-Road package) tipped our scales 164 pounds heavier at 4745 pounds.

Is It Worth the Scratch?
The XLT we drove wore an as-tested price of $47,655 but still kept things pretty basic with a keyed ignition, manually adjustable cloth seats in the same color as a used coffee filter, and manual climate control. We also found it a little funny that the temperature readout lacked any actual numerical values. This left us feeling like we were looking at an electoral map of sorts, guessing as to what might be a comfortable temperature based on how deeply red or blue the thermostat's gradient was.

For just a couple grand or so extra, Ford's V-6 gives the Ranger the type of scoot typically reserved for big performance players like the Raptor. Granted, it's missing the Raptor's plethora of off-road tech, Fox dampers, and 33-inch tires, but the optional powertrain does elevate the standard Ranger without nosing it too close to the Raptor's $57,315 starting price.

VERDICT: The performance of the Ranger's optional V-6 does more than just bark at the moon.
We think the V-6 is a meaningful upgrade, and for folks actually using the Ranger's 7500-pound towing capacity or its 1711 pounds of max payload (4WD only), the added juice during passing maneuvers is a sweet treat.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

imageIt's alright we can't all be on the same level Stop projecting would be advice that a professional would give you I reckon, you're fixated on me settling down and starting a family, maybe you can't get it through that thick skull of yours that not everyone needs to reproduce.

.. and in some cases, that's a really good thing. Enough of the trolling for now. How about this thread gets back on track (loose though that may be) or it gets locked and if you want to continue with the insults anytime somebody offers a different opinion to your opinionated one, you can have a rest from here.

Capiche?