Territory on Today Tonight

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

It's TT who cares?

They will probably say it only happens to single mums who have agressive neighbours, hoons in the street and who marry con artists.... *Yawn*

And then hire dodgy builders....but remember its an epidemic.

[mitch]

[QUOTE=Brazen]People should not be defending Ford about this, its disgusting. A captiva which wont start is no big deal, but a Territory which has its front suspension collpase in a carpark monevoures is bloody dangerous, what if this happened on the highway or a windy road? And ball joints needing replacing at 30,000km is a joke.

They should of done a recall. Period.

PS: I think Sinead is a female name not a male's.[/Q

Yeah your right Brazen its not really good enough,BUT there was a steering FAILURE fault with holden craptivas reported in the West Australian paper a few weeks ago, and in my humble opinion that is a big deal

[richa]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

OK golf clap to you old son,

next time I'll just scream woont some body think of the childern or the sky is falling,

I dont see any point in spending squillions on a recall for a hand full of cars thats suffer a problem if the owner gets their car serviced porperly they will show up before failure

Thanks for your input…I will follow your Posts and try to learn from you Mr Yoda. LOL.

[mitch]

Originally Posted by Brazen

People should not be defending Ford about this, its disgusting. A captiva which wont start is no big deal, but a Territory which has its front suspension collpase in a carpark monevoures is bloody dangerous, what if this happened on the highway or a windy road? And ball joints needing replacing at 30,000km is a joke.

They should of done a recall. Period.

PS: I think Sinead is a female name not a male's.

yeah you are right Brazen its not really good enough,BUT there was a steering FAILURE fault with holden craptivas reported in the West Australian paper a few weeks ago, and in my humble opinion that is a big deal

sorry about double post everyone will preview in future

[chevypower]

Type with caps, and get your point across better hey?

[block58]

I'm sure you just got a major lemon. It's a shame but it does happen. My father's Territory has done 90,000ks and the only problem he has had is the drivers side window clip.

The point is its stupid to hate all new Fords because of one (or two, or three, or four) failures on a model which plenty of other people have had no troubles with.

[DJM83]

This crap stops right now

[ltd]

Hands up here who knows how many people have died from this fault?
Hands up who knows how many terri's have had ball joint failures?
Hands up here who's operated a car manufacturing company?
Hands up here who's designed their own ball joints?
Hands up here who thinks Ford make their own ball joints inhouse?

It's easy to say "ford should do a recall" but the logistics of it are not always that simple.
Facts are, if you service your car you won't have a problem, as they routinely inspect the ball joints at each service. Yes we can all get emotional but look at it in perspective, it's one car out of how many?

Yes the issue shouldn't have happened but look at it in scale. A handful of vehicles have had the balljoint fail and a handful of people have experienced suspension failure but as Sinead says, that's all at low speed (rack on full lock).

Want to know who has bad suspension failures and no recall to date? Try Mercedes Benz with their W220 and V220 S class. Pump failure for the hydraulic suspension sees one side of the car completely collapse, bounce on the road and an uncontrollable yaw which sees you sideswipe whatever is next to you. (In my case an armco barrier on the M4). 6 years on, still no recall.

[Electric XY]

Originally Posted by block58

I'm sure you just got a major lemon. It's a shame but it does happen. My father's Territory has done 90,000ks and the only problem he has had is the drivers side window clip.

The point is its stupid to hate all new Fords because of one (or two, or three, or four) failures on a model which plenty of other people have had no troubles with.

Your right it is a lemon but it is quite dis-heartining when you borrow $40,000 to buy a car and get this amount of problems .

[ltd]

Originally Posted by landau jaybie

Your right it is a lemon but it is quite dis-heartining when you borrow $40,000 to buy a car and get this amount of problems .

Mate, where did you buy it from and where do you get it serviced?

[mik]

your probably right in most of your post LTD, except for the services bit , i think many people would`nt be looking for ball joint were at normal oilchange /grease ntervals, on the other hand ,i think to myself how many people with or without knowing actually exceed vehicles design limits in one way or another.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by ltd

Hands up here who knows how many people have died from this fault?
Hands up who knows how many terri's have had ball joint failures?
Hands up here who's operated a car manufacturing company?
Hands up here who's designed their own ball joints?
Hands up here who thinks Ford make their own ball joints inhouse?

It's easy to say "ford should do a recall" but the logistics of it are not always that simple.
Facts are, if you service your car you won't have a problem, as they routinely inspect the ball joints at each service. Yes we can all get emotional but look at it in perspective, it's one car out of how many?

Yes the issue shouldn't have happened but look at it in scale. A handful of vehicles have had the balljoint fail and a handful of people have experienced suspension failure but as Sinead says, that's all at low speed (rack on full lock).

Want to know who has bad suspension failures and no recall to date? Try Mercedes Benz with their W220 and V220 S class. Pump failure for the hydraulic suspension sees one side of the car completely collapse, bounce on the road and an uncontrollable yaw which sees you sideswipe whatever is next to you. (In my case an armco barrier on the M4). 6 years on, still no recall.

exactly finaly some one who thinks

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by mik

your probably right in most of your post LTD, except for the services bit , i think many people would`nt be looking for ball joint were at normal oilchange /grease ntervals, on the other hand ,i think to myself how many people with or without knowing actually exceed vehicles design limits in one way or another.

They would be if it were a common problem like the ball joints in the Terri

[megsy]

Originally Posted by ltd

Hands up here who knows how many people have died from this fault?
Hands up who knows how many terri's have had ball joint failures?
Hands up here who's operated a car manufacturing company?
Hands up here who's designed their own ball joints?
Hands up here who thinks Ford make their own ball joints inhouse?

It's easy to say "ford should do a recall" but the logistics of it are not always that simple.
Facts are, if you service your car you won't have a problem, as they routinely inspect the ball joints at each service. Yes we can all get emotional but look at it in perspective, it's one car out of how many?

Yes the issue shouldn't have happened but look at it in scale. A handful of vehicles have had the balljoint fail and a handful of people have experienced suspension failure but as Sinead says, that's all at low speed (rack on full lock).

Want to know who has bad suspension failures and no recall to date? Try Mercedes Benz with their W220 and V220 S class. Pump failure for the hydraulic suspension sees one side of the car completely collapse, bounce on the road and an uncontrollable yaw which sees you sideswipe whatever is next to you. (In my case an armco barrier on the M4). 6 years on, still no recall.

Exactly Right, Yes only a handful of cars have had it and even less have failed, so really as long as each and every service department is keeping a close eye on any terry that that come across thats all that really matters. if the owners choose not to get their services done properly thats their own fault.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by DJM83

They would be if it were a common problem like the ball joints in the Terri

A service is more than a greese and oil change, check the log book it spasificaly says check suspencion for signs of ware / damage

[dallasv8]

so when do the new diesel etc come into the terry's?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

A service is more than a greese and oil change, check the log book it spasificaly says check suspencion for signs of ware / damage

Yeah mate im aware of that but in this case (faulty ball joints in a certain model) id say they would be onto it, well you'd like to think so.

[block58]

Originally Posted by dallasv8

so when do the new diesel etc come into the terry's?

OT but http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11283445

[carrot13]

that today tonight story was weak, Ford will be very happy with that & if more is not made public this will all blow over in a few days..

the crux of the issue that TT missed totally is this-

1. Ford totally redesigned the front suspension on the 2009 models....(i wonder why..)

2. All models made before that are a flawed/unsafe design which is very hard on the balljoints.

Also because of point 2. wheels etc fall off the SYI Territories & as kays mount up and years go by i think this issue will get worse.

good luck people

[block58]

It was unusual that they were under the impression that the ball joints were fixed with SY models.

Shows how credible their sources are :

[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by landau jaybie

Your right it is a lemon but it is quite dis-heartining when you borrow $40,000 to buy a car and get this amount of problems .

So whose to fault if you've borrowed on it ???
Especially that much ??

Some people need to look in the mirror....

[The Yeti]

dont worry I jsut saw the today tonight ad it seems its over charging mechanics this week

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

Valid point but whats the % thats failing, mines doen 95,000 and they are still fine never had a problem? if a hand full fail at 30,000 its no big dea land hardly warrants a recall, and if the majority are being picked up at PM servicing theres no issue IMHO, if however the cars that are havign faling issues as in colaping arnt having regular servicing inline with the log books or the dealer servicing is checking thats a compleate other issue

Having your car serviced by Ford is not a requirement of ownership and is a dodgy and ineffective means of identifying and affecting repairs on thousands of cars, because thousands more will not ever be seen by Ford. A recall should be issued and all effort made to contact owners of vehicles.

Nothing else is satisfactory.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Having your car serviced by Ford is not a requirement of ownership and is a dodgy and ineffective means of identifying and affecting repairs on thousands of cars, because thousands more will not ever be seen by Ford. A recall should be issued and all effort made to contact owners of vehicles.

Nothing else is satisfactory.

The legal onus is on the owner to keep the vehicle properly maintained and if
ball joints are wearing, they need to be replaced but the question is how often?
Only through regular servicing and safety checks can that be determined.
You'd probably find of the darned things had grease nipples in them wear would
be reduced heaps....

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The legal onus is on the owner to keep the vehicle properly maintained and if
ball joints are wearing, they need to be replaced but the question is how often?
Only through regular servicing and safety checks can that be determined.
You'd probably find of the darned things had grease nipples in them wear would
be reduced heaps....

This is where Ford stuffed up, by not putting them in.
But I agree if the car is properly maintained then these problems should be able to found and fixed before failure. But I guess its better to just have a sook on a forum.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Having your car serviced by Ford is not a requirement of ownership and is a dodgy and ineffective means of identifying and affecting repairs on thousands of cars, because thousands more will not ever be seen by Ford. A recall should be issued and all effort made to contact owners of vehicles.

Nothing else is satisfactory.

no one said it had to be, even bill smiths repair shop can carry out a log book service, who said it had to be ford serivce, if the balljoints test faulty at a service take it to ford

no ford service dpt required