The Heart of the 2011 Falcon

[Redrum]

The Inline 6 with a Turbo slapped on the side gets my vote! The powertrain that Polites told me about in 98 is a god send.

[Polyal]

Thanks HSE2 if we were to continue is starting a new thread a better idea?

[FalconXR6]

As far as the engine which has "earned it's place" it would HAVE to be the 4.0T.

And who cares about FPV's 6 to 8 cyl sales ratio ? As long as they are catering to the 6 and 8 market and SELLING the bloody product - who cares ???

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

So you finally except the figures and current split assessment, its taken a while!

You’re continued harping of the turbo sales Vs V8 sales is growing tiresome.
From Go Auto or as posted in this thread, quote Rod Barret.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...1&page=1&pp=25

Originally Posted by Rod Barret

Mr Barrett said the growing success of the force-fed six-cylinder F6 had been responsible for helping sustain FPV sales in a depressed car market, and it now accounted for almost a third of FPV sales.

The overall sales split between six-cylinder and V8 powertrains at FPV is now about 60/40 in favour of the V8, but the gap is currently closing.

Now using Mr Barret own words I hope this ends the constant turbo v v8 dribble about sales.

[russellw]

All of the previous year figures are in the tech section for those who care to look but for the benefit of the lazy (with links back to the original articles):

2008 - 62/38 % split V8/6T and 38.1% GT / 29.4% F6

2007 - 67/33 % split V8/6T and 42.8% GT / 22.8% F6

2006 - 59/41 % split V8/6T and 30.0% GT / 31.6% F6

2005 - 70/30 % split V8/6T and 36.3% GT / 22.3% F6

Over the entire period both options have been available it is 5151 V8 to 2,820 6T's or roughly a 65/35 split.

Not including 2009 YTD figures naturally.

Both great cars and as buyers we are spoiled for choice between them.

Cheers
Russ

[Iggypoppin']

I know I'm off topic here..but Oh god..can't we get over this turbo vs V8 rubbish?? Are we not ford lovers? Do we not praise ford for the efforts they put into their machines? The bickering and fighting over sales, which achieves nothing, gets us no further in life, and it's just pointless. Can't we appreciate the respective cars, instead of getting into arguments? We should be ragging on holdens before whingeing about fords. All in good fun of course.

[Berzerkerr]

Originally Posted by flappist

LPG, yeh yeh, the messiah, the way the truth and the light.....unless of course you live in the 90% of Australia that does not have an LPG bowser close.

Dont forget 90% of Australians live in that 10% thats left

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by russellw

All of the previous year figures are in the tech section for those who care to look but for the benefit of the lazy (with links back to the original articles):

2008 - 62/38 % split V8/6T and 38.1% GT / 29.4% F6

2007 - 67/33 % split V8/6T and 42.8% GT / 22.8% F6

2006 - 59/41 % split V8/6T and 30.0% GT / 31.6% F6

2005 - 70/30 % split V8/6T and 36.3% GT / 22.3% F6

Over the entire period both options have been available it is 5151 V8 to 2,820 6T's or roughly a 65/35 split.

Not including 2009 YTD figures naturally.

Both great cars and as buyers we are spoiled for choice between them.

Cheers
Russ

As always, thanks for the detail!

[Falcon_Crazy]

My vote has gone for the I6 - id vote both LI I6 as well, but as Ford only bring out eGas in Auto, i am voting for the ULP - it can alway be converted. That said, Im more than happy with performance and fuel consumption. Ive driven syd to melb on one tank, with very little effort.....as per my auto sig, my FG is averageing 8.9l/100km after 31800km and 11 months...not bad

[R-Design]

Another update, the results are not surprising considering the popularity of the G6ET.

Category Qty %

1. Cylinders
4 17 8.6%
6 122 61.9%
8 58 29.4%

2. Fuel Type
LPG 38 19.3%
Petol 159 80.7%

3. Type
Consumption 89 45.39%
Performance 108 54.61%

4. Aspiration
N/A 85 43.1%
Boosted 112 56.9%

[R-Design]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Boss 6.2L V8 is still happening, though I am lead to believe it is called "Premium" 6.2L V8 now. Hopefully will know more about that engine tomorrow. The 2011 SuperDuty will be fully unveiled tomorrow at the Texas State Fair (Thursday during the day local time). The SuperDuty (F250 & F350) will have the 6.2L V8 and the 6.7L V8 diesel. Look out for power and torque figures tomorrow!
6.2L is a 2 valve, oversquare (like real V8s) with iron block, alloy heads. 2 large valves per cyl, 4.02'' bore, 3.75'' stroke - so it would be close to a 351, but slightly longer stroke.

Originally Posted by Mike Levine | September 24, 2009

Gas and Diesel Engines

Heavy Duty pickups exist to tow and haul the heaviest loads. While the 6.7-L PSD will be the power-pulling crown jewel of the 2011 Super Duty lineup, two other gas engines will be available for the F-250 and F-350 pickups: an enhanced version of today’s 5.4-liter V-8 and an all-new 6.2-liter V-8, which is also slated for use in the 2010 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor off-road pickup. This is the engine formerly referred to as the Boss V-8, and the Hurricane before that.

The single overhead cam (SOHC) 6.2-liter V-8 features two spark plugs per cylinder and dual equal variable cam timing.

According to Mike Harrison, Ford’s V-8 gasoline engine programs manager, dual equal VCT dynamically changes the timing of both the intake and exhaust valves together but it does this using only the single camshaft per cylinder head and two VCT actuators (one per cam). Each cam actuates the intake and exhaust valves on each cylinder bank. When the camshaft is advanced or retarded via the VCT actuator, both the intake and exhaust valve timing is advanced or retarded by an equal amount -- hence the name ‘dual equal.’

There are several benefits to using dual equal VCT, including improved fuel economy, NVH and emissions when idling or highway cruising, and increased torque and power response at full throttle.

Ford won’t say what the final power figures are for its 2011 engines, though we have heard that the 6.7-L PSD will make more than 390 horsepower and 720 pounds-feet of torque. The 5.4-L V-8 will likely make in the neighborhood of 320 hp and 390 lbs.-ft. of torque and the 6.2-L V-8 is expected to pump out approximately 400 hp and 400 lbs.-ft. of torque.

For the U.S., the 5.4-L and 6.2-L gas engines will be E85-compatible from Job 1 and the 6.7-L Power Stroke will be certified to run on biodiesel blends up to B20 (20% biodiesel and 80% conventional diesel).

Super Duty trucks headed for sale outside the U.S. will be calibrated to run on high-sulfur diesel fuel, which would gum up the soot trapping diesel particulate filters of U.S.-spec trucks, or to burn old-school leaded gas in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The 6.7-liter diesel will meet the California Air Resource Board’s tough oil-burning emissions standards that force non-compliant diesel engines to automatically shut down after five minutes of idling if they produce too much nitrogen oxide emissions. The F-Series Super Duty trucks will be able to idle indefinitely and still meet CARB’s tough NOx emissions limits.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks....uper-duty.html

[kircher]

Just a thought I had; If Ford do end up using a turbo 4 as the base engine (which is a good idea), what will they do about the ridiculous p-plate restrictions? Something needs to be done about them anyway, because p-platers can't even drive the new volkswagen golf with its 118kW turbo 1.4.