nascar Vs V8 supercar - Page 2

KPOJ · 21-09-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Walt Kowalski

It is still there.

I did some laps there last year.

Never saw any weeds.

Mind you I was high up/flat out in a Nissan Patrol 4.8l (tow car) in the damp.

We took the car trailer off first though.

We left after 4 laps in case security came over

It felt a lot safer than the Calder main track which is diabolical for grip

hahaha i got 8 laps in a navara.The banking is amazing. In America its refereed to as a average banked track

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Nikked · 21-09-2009, 06:52 PM

those Sprint cup car move around alot on the road courses, they don't look like they handle to well...

4Vman · 21-09-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

those Sprint cup car move around alot on the road courses, they don't look like they handle to well...

They use a different car for road races compared to the cars they use for the banked ovals...

outback_ute · 22-09-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev28K

I don’t know what the answer is to make the series move forward (remember the Mazda RX7 SP, the BMW M3R and the Porsche 911 RS CS (drooool) for the production car racing Bathurst 24 hr? The manufacturers went nuts and lost money on making/importing a minimum of 10 cars. BMW thought that they couldn’t win, so didn’t officially enter it in to the event).

Slight corrections, it was a 12 Hr race (last one at Eastern Creek) and Porsche 968 CS. The BMW M3R was Australia-only, I think it was built by Frank Gardner & BMW Australia - they obviously had a fair involvement.

Rusty Wallace said at the Goodwood Festival of Speed that Nascar engines could make 1000hp unrestricted, which is what he had in his car - he had a serious go to get the fastest time of the day but couldn't match a few F1 cars, Jag XJR9 and even a Nissan Primera Super Touring car was faster.

Rev28K · 22-09-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by outback_ute

Slight corrections, it was a 12 Hr race (last one at Eastern Creek) and Porsche 968 CS. The BMW M3R was Australia-only, I think it was built by Frank Gardner & BMW Australia - they obviously had a fair involvement.

Yeah? My not always reliable memory tells me that Porsche had a couple of goes against the RX7 first with the 4 cylinder 968 CS and then with the big gun 911 RS CS.
Mazda were ready to return with an RX7 SP II if need be, but that never got past the prototype stage.

I have seen a genuine M3R running around at Winton (NSW BMW club member) this one had a rear seat fitted to it.

I take some of that back about what I said about manufacturer’s bringing out the trick models just to suit particular race series. BMW brought out the CSL version and the Competition packs on the previous 6 cylinder M3 versions.

Does anyone else want to get back to the original topic or dig up arcane facts about dead history?

Nikked · 22-09-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

They use a different car for road races compared to the cars they use for the banked ovals...

...and they still don't look like they handle to well, alot more rolly-polly and unsettled compared to our own.

opto · 22-09-2009, 05:27 PM

Last weekend saw the Hardtop touring cars on a circuit, demo only but it was a nice sight, the roar of an old V8, mind you they wernt really designed to handle well.

outback_ute · 22-09-2009, 05:49 PM

I think we've established that Nascars are faster on ovals and in top speed but V8Supercars are quicker on a road course.

How about a quarter mile drag race? The Nascar has more HP but also more weight.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...er-mile-3.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge-Intre...slip-4052.html

Looks like Nascars are somewhere in the 11's while Jamie Whincup ran a 10.8 earlier in the year.

ps forgot about the 911 at the last 12hr - obviously not paying enough attention like too many others!

Zedjay · 24-09-2009, 10:44 AM

V8 SC would win the GO TO WHOA easy

GTP owner · 24-09-2009, 08:26 PM

I remeber a comparo years ago when the v8 category was getting started. They put the v8 of Dickky Johnson against a nascar. Everone assumed the falcon would wipe the floor clean on a circuit and down the quarter. Turns out there were a few red faces after - the nascar was far more capable than was assumed. Remember they have much wider rear tyres, and much more grunt. That more than makes up for the weight disadvantage. They also have full race suspension not held back by the parity laws that give v8sc set mounting points and shorter wheel bases.

vztrt · 24-09-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP owner

They also have full race suspension not held back by the parity laws that give v8sc set mounting points and shorter wheel bases.

When I was watching some of the races the commentators said they could only play with the rear spring (a little) otherwise they weren't allowed to touch it.

GTP owner · 24-09-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

When I was watching some of the races the commentators said they could only play with the rear spring (a little) otherwise they weren't allowed to touch it.

The are not contrained by having the monocoque shell - the thing is on a chrome-moly space frame chassis with a shell sitting on top.

**ebxr8240** · 24-09-2009, 09:41 PM

Some tracks run restricter plates also ??..

burnz · 24-09-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Some tracks run restricter plates also ??..

no not quite their are two series, nationwide and cup cars(restricted)
and i think the truck series are limited too.

FPV GTHO · 24-09-2009, 11:19 PM

Daytona and Talladega run restrictors, cutting the power almost in half IIRC. Keeps the speeds around the 190mph mark otherwise they'd have drivers blacking out and cars spinning up into the air.

NASCAR arent geared around circuit racing, even if theyre allowed more freedom in their suspension pickups and other basic design items. V8 Supercars would more than hold their own due to the much higher circuit feedback getting to the engineers.

BHDOGS · 25-09-2009, 12:06 AM

There both boring as bat races

KPOJ · 25-09-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GTP owner

The are not contrained by having the monocoque shell - the thing is on a chrome-moly space frame chassis with a shell sitting on top.

Interesting, i thought they were steel due to the better absorbtion of shock in a crash.

GTP owner · 25-09-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KPOJ

Interesting, i thought they were steel due to the better absorbtion of shock in a crash.

Depends on the team. Some use steel, some use 4130 chrome-moly. Because weight is not such an issue, many use steel. But many of the top teams are using the cr-moly so they can dirstibute the weight where they want it.

Bad Bird · 25-09-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

NASCAR arent geared around circuit racing, even if theyre allowed more freedom in their suspension pickups

Don't NASCARs have to run truck arm rear suspension?