Ford new power shift twin-clutch transmission

dtp · 26-06-2008, 09:37 PM

http://www.caradvice.com.au/13965/fo...-transmission/

Something's wrong here?? :togo:

"I reckon the ZF six speed gearbox currently employed by Ford, is one of the smoothest and quickest shifting transmissions on the market today. But while that may be true, the shift time between ratios is still around 350 milliseconds.

That’s slow compared to the 8 milliseconds on the upshift with the twin-clutch unit! That’s right; Ford’s new PowerShift is a lot quicker than Ferrari’s current 599 supercar, which is near enough to 100 milliseconds. It’s even faster than a current Formula One car."

manny_papa · 26-06-2008, 09:52 PM

F430 Scuderia = 60ms
"faster than you can blink" - JC, Top gear

Wretched · 26-06-2008, 10:54 PM

Good to see Ford Europe once again producing the goods.

Ives · 26-06-2008, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by manny_papa

F430 Scuderia = 60ms
"faster than you can blink" - JC, Top gear

Haha...that's gold.

Perana · 26-06-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

Good to see Ford Europe once again producing the goods.

Only about 4 years after VAG though hehe.

Having driven a couple DSG 'boxed Golfs these boxes are fantastic! An XR5T with one of these would be very nice!

Wretched · 26-06-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Perana XR8

Only about 4 years after VAG though hehe.

Fair comment, I meant within the Ford clan.

JONESY_XR6 · 27-06-2008, 01:17 AM

Us aussies will still have to wait....ohhh

Rodp · 27-06-2008, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dtp

http://www.caradvice.com.au/13965/fo...-transmission/

Something's wrong here?? :togo:

"I reckon the ZF six speed gearbox currently employed by Ford, is one of the smoothest and quickest shifting transmissions on the market today. But while that may be true, the shift time between ratios is still around 350 milliseconds.

That’s slow compared to the 8 milliseconds on the upshift with the twin-clutch unit! That’s right; Ford’s new PowerShift is a lot quicker than Ferrari’s current 599 supercar, which is near enough to 100 milliseconds. It’s even faster than a current Formula One car."

I've got the DSG in my R32 which is just a spectacular box. I've driven the ZF a few times and the twin clutch system is just so far ahead, there's daylight between. Those that are impressed with the ZF will instantly fall in love with a twin clutch box.

Hopefully Jetrag get it right, the box not only makes the car quicker if required, it increases fuel efficiency. The only downside is it costs a fortune to repair.

Wretched · 27-06-2008, 07:54 AM

I think Getrag can do a good job, don't they supply the one in the GTR?

Bossxr8 · 27-06-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dtp

http://www.caradvice.com.au/13965/fo...-transmission/

Something's wrong here?? :togo:

"I reckon the ZF six speed gearbox currently employed by Ford, is one of the smoothest and quickest shifting transmissions on the market today. But while that may be true, the shift time between ratios is still around 350 milliseconds.

That’s slow compared to the 8 milliseconds on the upshift with the twin-clutch unit! That’s right; Ford’s new PowerShift is a lot quicker than Ferrari’s current 599 supercar, which is near enough to 100 milliseconds. It’s even faster than a current Formula One car."

I'm under the impression the Ferrari's F1 gearbox isn't a dual clutch unit/DSG but its actually an electronically controlled manual, not a true DSG. I think the new California is the first Ferrari to use a DSG style box.

Jondalar · 27-06-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I'm under the impression the Ferrari's F1 gearbox isn't a dual clutch unit/DSG but its actually an electronically controlled manual, not a true DSG. I think the new California is the first Ferrari to use a DSG style box.

Nah they have been using the Magnetti Marelli units for some time, similar to the Selespeed in the Alfa Romeo.

kice · 27-06-2008, 05:51 PM

This box shoulda been implimented to the FG XR6T

Just make it even more superiour.

Dezaman · 27-06-2008, 06:03 PM

100 milliseconds is fast, but how did ford europe figure that one out before us, what fast ford cars have europe ever made?

Wretched · 27-06-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaman

100 milliseconds is fast, but how did ford europe figure that one out before us, what fast ford cars have europe ever made?

Do a google search on such cars as Escort Cosworth, Sierra Cosworth, Focus RS, etc. Ford Europe have been dealing out some quality cars for a long time.
IMO they have it over us, the only thing we have is the XR6T.

XR Martin · 27-06-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaman

100 milliseconds is fast, but how did ford europe figure that one out before us, what fast ford cars have europe ever made?

History > You

Gammaboy · 27-06-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaman

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health?

XR Martin · 27-06-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health?

Incest...

MITCHAY · 27-06-2008, 09:51 PM

How long until manual gearboxes are no longer offered in new cars with all this whiz bang technology around? That would suck :(

want-a-XY · 27-06-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

How long until manual gearboxes are no longer offered in new cars with all this whiz bang technology around? That would suck :(

have a look at the R35 skyline.... no more manual there

want-a-XY · 27-06-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

Nah they have been using the Magnetti Marelli units for some time, similar to the Selespeed in the Alfa Romeo.

Selespeed in the Alfa Romeo's is terrible!!!!!!!!!! it is impossible to change gears smoothly even when you are babying it, and it would have to be the slowest gearbox i have ever driven!

MITCHAY · 27-06-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by want-a-XY

have a look at the R35 skyline.... no more manual there

Yeah I know. Pretty suprising they don't even have a manual option.

pauljh74 · 28-06-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

Nah they have been using the Magnetti Marelli units for some time, similar to the Selespeed in the Alfa Romeo.

I don't think they are twin clutch/DSG gearboxes, just semi-automated manuals, whereas other car makers offer manual shift automatics.

Rodp · 28-06-2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

How long until manual gearboxes are no longer offered in new cars with all this whiz bang technology around? That would suck :(

I think it's the best of both worlds.

If you want to potter around, stick it in D. If you want to take her to the track, you've got a manual box without the need to depress a clutch. Having a 3rd pedal is highly overrated when it comes to the joy of driving a car.

montyLalor · 05-07-2008, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

I think it's the best of both worlds.

If you want to potter around, stick it in D. If you want to take her to the track, you've got a manual box without the need to depress a clutch. Having a 3rd pedal is highly overrated when it comes to the joy of driving a car.

I agree. Since it's been about six years since I've owned an auto (not that it was much: XF; T35

: ) I'd have to confess that my left-foot braking skills have been all but lost. Before I put a single-rail

: into the XF I became quite good at LFBing. 'Slike driving a oversize go-kart. (XF's low centre of gravity helped, too)

Trail-braking becomes a second-nature thing if your right foot doesn't need to leave the accelerator. You quickly learn how to help settle the car into corners. (Though I never had enough grunt to fully exploit the benefits

: )

zetec · 12-07-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaman

100 milliseconds is fast, but how did ford europe figure that one out before us, what fast ford cars have europe ever made?

Priceless. Knowing what one's talking about before talking CAN sometimes be good....

photn · 12-07-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaman

100 milliseconds is fast, but how did ford europe figure that one out before us, what fast ford cars have europe ever made?

OMFG,

Are you Serios! where do you think All the Fiesta's, Focii' Come from. Even the New Mondeo, Fords Kinetic(sp?) design? AS posted above ford have released a BOMB load of performance cars that AUS can only dream of.

In order of appearence above:
The True FORD GT40 Race car. It was purposfully designed to win Lemans
The Ford RS200 4x4 with a SHAT load of power from a 2ltr Turbo engine.
The Formula Ford Race Car.
The Escort Cosworth with 4x4 and a Turboed 2ltr Cosworth Engine.
The Ford Sierra Cosworth, once again a 2ltr Turbo Cosworth Engine. These even raced at bathurst and won but where TECHNICALLY Disqualified because of some obsurd rule. These things BEAT the Falcons with V8s around the track, with only a 4pot and a turbo.
The Ford Escort RS2000 which was one of the Biggest Hits for FORDs small car industry in the WORLD!. There are so many enthusiats around these days for these small cars.
In Euro land they have the MK1 Focus RS - FWD 2ltr turbo Zetec engine with 212 hp. There have been 300+ hp versioins of these.

Not to mention - THE ALL NEW FOCUS RS with (roughly) 300 HP from a 2.5ltr turbo 5cly engine and FWD with an Electronic LSD.

Also Guys please note that the POWER shift has not been introduced to any performance models just yet. I think its beeing launched with the TDI focus Model First to promote Fuel Econ.

XR Martin · 12-07-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

OMFG,

Are you Serios! where do you think All the Fiesta's, Focii' Come from. Even the New Mondeo, Fords Kinetic(sp?) design? AS posted above ford have released a BOMB load of performance cars that AUS can only dream of.

In order of appearence above:

The Formula Ford Race Car.

Actually its Schumacher's Formula 1 Benetton Ford