Fights at the Aussie Open - Page 4

Steffo · 18-01-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GTP006

lol, I didn't realise you were born in 1988, you'll get your chance to live life a bit more and figure out which way is up. I'm done with this one.

Right, so basically now you're saying I'm not old enough to think? I tend to stay out of threads like these because people don't agree with and often can't handle my usually strong opinions on said subjects.

Its easy to call a place the best in the world while totally ignoring all of its negatives and just highlighting the positives. Which is what's going on here.

MITCHAY · 18-01-2007, 01:02 AM

Why are a lot of people so desperate that they pay stupid amounts of money to come across in a hardly sea worthy boat illegally, with detention almost a certainty if it wasn't such a good country?

I for one am very gratefull to be living here. I drive a **** off nice car, live in a nice house and I'm well educated.

Steffo · 18-01-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Why are a lot of people so desperate that they pay stupid amounts of money to come across in a hardly sea worthy boat illegally, with detention almost a certainty if it wasn't such a good country?

Australia is one of the most accepting of immigrants countries in the world, that's why. For alot of them its the closest too. And the people doing it are coming from countries with far worse... everything, then the countries we are speaking about. In alot of their cases, almost anything is an improvement.

Boy has this thread deviated off topic...

MITCHAY · 18-01-2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Australia is one of the most accepting of immigrants countries in the world, that's why. For alot of them its the closest too. And the people doing it are coming from countries with far worse... everything, then the countries we are speaking about. In alot of their cases, almost anything is an improvement.

Boy has this thread deviated off topic...

With the amount of money they spend don't you think they could purchase an airline ticket and overstay their visa in another country?

Yes it is way off topic but at least it is civil at the moment. Almost every topic discussed in life, stems another.

Archilino · 18-01-2007, 01:18 AM

having just got back from the tennis the problem is others pay for the minorities action, two friends and i went to the tennis today and got treated like criminals everytime we were near security.
We were not dressed in any national colors, just went to enjoy a great event, instead got abused by almost all security, even police seemed to follow us everywhere we went expecting trouble. All of us are of european background so i assume we are all pressumed guity.

Similar situation to the noble park incident, most of those involved in the tennis were also involved in the blockbuster riot, coincidence? dont think so, if they are old enough to vote them they are old enough be responsible for their actions, but that comes down to the government clamping down hard on them, enough of the wrist slapping from them and police etc. Our great city has been shamed enough the last week.

Steffo · 18-01-2007, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

With the amount of money they spend don't you think they could purchase an airline ticket and overstay their visa in another country?

Yes it is way off topic but at least it is civil at the moment. Almost every topic discussed in life, stems another.

If they can purchase an airline ticket in the first place, why not one to here?

Rmyers · 18-01-2007, 01:50 AM

It's all well and good to be proud of your homeland, but alot take it too far and adopt the hatred that goes with being of a certain heritage. My background is Croatian, both my parents immigrated here, i speak Croatian fluently, and I'm proud of my heritage. I don't have any hatred against Serbs tho, i have several Serbian friends and i frequent Serbian bars/pubs, and it puzzles me as to why people find it necessary to continue the fighting for something that really has nothing to do with them. I know alot of people who are like this, best way to describe it is Gang warfare.

MITCHAY · 18-01-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

If they can purchase an airline ticket in the first place, why not one to here?

Well you were the one who said in Australia "there's no real life" So why don't they go elsewhere if that were true?

And as you said "Australia is one of the most accepting of immigrants countries in the world" so it obviously is a pretty tolerant place wouldn't you say?

XR8-260 · 18-01-2007, 01:53 AM

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This thread has gone off topic and could potentially turn ugly.

MITCHAY · 18-01-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

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: I think this is probably the most civil discussion though on a controversial subject we've had in a while you must admit.

XR8-260 · 18-01-2007, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

: I think this is probably the most civil discussion though on a controversial subject we've had in a while you must admit.

fair enough. This thread has made for some interesting reading i must admit.

XR8-260 · 18-01-2007, 02:00 AM

I don't have a problem with people being proud of their heritage. Life is more fun that way. What's funner than mocking the pommy/kiwi ex-pats at the cricket? Multiculturalism only becomes a threat when others threaten the Aussie way of life. Did someone say sheikh?

MITCHAY · 18-01-2007, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

Did someone say sheikh?

Don't get me started on that twit

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All sane people of that faith would denounce him as their leader.

Free speech is a good thing, too bad too many abuse it.

The England VS Australia and Australia VS New Zealand is light hearted and you would have to be very bored to take it seriously.

XR8-260 · 18-01-2007, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Don't get me started on that twit

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All sane people of that faith would denounce him as their leader.

Free speech is a good thing, too bad too many abuse it.

Freedom of speech should be limited to stop the racist crap which he is preaching.

MITCHAY · 18-01-2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

Freedom of speech should be limited to stop the racist crap which he is preaching.

Should be limited to stop people saying dumb **** altogether not neccesarilly limited to racism. The man is a joke!

merlin · 18-01-2007, 08:09 AM

Wether we like to admit it or not, I think everyone (including me) has a little bit of racism buried deep down in us - I think it is simply in our (humans) nature stemming back thousands of years. Fortunatly we are well educated in this country and can realise that it is wrong (look at cronulla, this crap is simmering under regular peoples skins).

Unfortunatly you cant "ship people home" as some are suggesting as these people (despite their appearence, language ect) were born here so you would be shipping them here right? Also we need to remember that everyone in this country (which is really a very, very, young country - 200 odd years old) is an immigrant - thats right from England originally - I dont know where all this crap stems from that some people can claim to be more Aussie than others just because their family have been here for 100 years longer than someone elses....not a real long time period is it? Dont get me wrong, in the background thread I posted how my great great grandmother was one of the first off the boat back when Australia was colonised and of course I am proud of that but being half Cypriot as well, I can see both sides of the fence and its not a pretty site.

But anyway I think the law needs to be tougher on racism - those involved and identified in the brawl should be put on trial for racist violence and be given minimum jail sentences, send a message that this crap is not tolerated.

I do believe that this country is the greatest in the world and if given unlimited funds cant think of many other places I would rather live (maybe Hawaii lol) - as a young country we have a chance to stamp all this crap out now before it takes hold.

Speaking of a young country - I was just thinking the other day, when you look at all the inventions we have churned out, all the famous people, the standard of living, the extensive road networks, large cities, massive engineering projects ect, our technology - it is simply amazing that we have achieved all this in only 200 years!

Ringo · 18-01-2007, 08:23 AM

This is getting off topic.....it was just a thread about d-ckheads and now it has gone all wierd.

Credit to all that it hasn't got abusive...

Don't get upset Steffo...

4.9 EF Futura · 18-01-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

Freedom of speech should be limited to stop the racist crap which he is preaching.

Disagree.

I despise what he says as much as the next Australian. But he's got the right to say it. Our implied freedoms of speech, altho are responsible for a lot of nasty/stupid/pathetic things being said, are key to the vibrancy of our democracy.

As soon as you start using terminology like "limit"... you've got big problems. Who decides where the limits should be established? What's ok to you might be outrageous to someone else...

Even our conservative government is somewhat loathe to restrict speech... only "limiting" seditious stuff and other politically-palletable terrorism measures.

The day you tell this sheik what he can and cant say is a black day. Let him say what he wants - and afford us the freedom to tell him what an idiot he is!!

And what's this nonsense about the thread going off topic? Lol, its a discussion... discussions evolve... as do peoples ideas and opinions. It's what seperates us from the animals. Let the topic meander of its own momentum... moderation only required when forum rules are being broken.

**Polyal** · 18-01-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

Moderators...

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This thread has gone off topic and could potentially turn ugly.

You dont need to make a post, use the "im scared" triangle button in the corner

Interesting comments, and some are typical of alot of people I knew at high school, thats how pathetic all these race things are.

What Rymers said is correct, its a gang mentality. I dont know why or how it starts, but certain nationalities only seem to communicate with each other, which then causes a "them vs us" situation; which then leads to some numbskull saying something stupid and wella, you have a riot.

Problem is that these gang members are sheep, and seem incapable of making a decision for themselves which is probably the saddest thing.

Good work keeping this going to :sm_headba

**Polyal** · 18-01-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Disagree.

I am in agreeance with your disagreeance (hmm...spellchecker doesn't think those words exsits..bah!)

By letting people like him speak, we get the whole community to take a stand, not just a few sections.

Well said Merlin!

HOON69 · 18-01-2007, 12:06 PM

every sport has to have a fight now and then

but yes its a disgace and very unaustalian when two ethnic groups find it necessary to fight over chants and abit of rivalry taunts etc

some mothers do have em

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gozza · 18-01-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Problem is that these gang members are sheep, and seem incapable of making a decision for themselves which is probably the saddest thing.

Good work keeping this going to :sm_headba

its because there not actually gang members...more like gang wannabees
they want to be hardcore but are just gelled up metros

no i don't want to be hardcore...im merely aware what "real" gang members are capable of

**Polyal** · 18-01-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gozza

its because there not actually gang members...more like gang wannabees
they want to be hardcore but are just gelled up metros

no i don't want to be hardcore...im merely aware what "real" gang members are capable of

HAHHHAHA...yes thats a better way of putting it. After there little spat they go home and mum will slap them behind the head for being a naughty boy.

rodderz · 18-01-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

You dont need to make a post, use the "im scared" triangle button in the corner

Good work keeping this going to :sm_headba

Yes, this thread is being closely watched but everyone has been pretty good so far...as long as they stay constructive and civil, these topics are usually on a knife edge

One day it will come to a head, there will be an uproar similar to Cronulla and will be nasty. It's a pity that it will be started by a minority that slander's the whole community from wherever they came from. People from any country, that go to live in another country, while having rights to their own beliefs etc need to make the effort to be accepting of it's ways, laws, and moralities. I think that's what most people's beef is

ltd · 18-01-2007, 04:36 PM

4.9ef futura, you are spot on.
The day we start to limit freedom of speech is the day when we are all potentially prosecutable for things we may say in jest, private or in a public domain. Frankly, I agree with sedition laws to punish those that incite violence and/or acts of terrorism but quite frankly the shiek, is better than any Bill Cosby comedy. Hopefully Bill Cosby will now host the show named "shieks say the darndest things".
If we limited what the shiek had to say then we would not hear of his true feelings and quite frankly, the community at large would be poorer for not knowing. Besides, the shiek and his cohorts are doing a spectacularly remarkable job of hanging themselves so lets give them as much freedom of speech aka rope as possible.

MON10A · 18-01-2007, 04:42 PM

does anyone actually know when and where the serbs and croations had there run in overseas,maybe they could all go for it over there at the sacret site instead of here

MITCHAY · 18-01-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ltd

4.9ef futura, you are spot on.
Hopefully Bill Cosby will now host the show named "shieks say the darndest things".

ROFL. On that note did anyone happen to catch the news. We have another "well outspoken" shiek on our hands.

They do say that imitation is the best form of flattery

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