security guard

kyro_02 · 07-11-2006, 09:57 PM

anyone on the forums securty guard? armed or unarmed and what company?

my uncle is a security guard (game venues, patrols etc etc) unarmed and works for 'security one'... said he'll get my in when i get my security/g licence.. which i'm going through job search joint

so how do ya's like your job and any scary encounters etc etc?

Dezza · 07-11-2006, 10:09 PM

I'm not a security guard but one of my mates was. At first he was having to walk down lots of alleyways late at night, and he hated it. Not good fun with all the sickos out there. After that he worked as security for a factory. It was pretty uneventful. He basically had to sit around all night, except to have an occassional walk around the factory to check everything was OK. That was a lot safer, but not very exciting. He was with Chubb security and was unarmed. He's gotten out of that now

OXR60W · 08-11-2006, 12:31 AM

I have a large crew reporting to me. A large number are Islanders who do security work, clubs, pubs , bathurst , special events etc. The general thing is that alot will stop soon as they are limited to what they can do and also they are concerned about knives and guns nowadays.

STK-XR8 · 08-11-2006, 12:38 AM

i did security for about 3yrs mostly nightclubs and gaming venues mostly weekends,trust me it like any job its all good until the s#*t hits the fan then your life is in someone elses hand ,specially night clubs the amount of abuse you cop during a night is not worth what they pay , when you have deal with drunk people or people sky high on drugs swinging punches at you or better still trying to hit you with a glass its not worth a cent .
when you get your licence find a company that has lots of connections to factories or gaming venues somewhere uneventful as ea_silver_ghia puts it .

im out of it now had to grin and bear for the extra cash as well as work fulltime,
7 days a week for about 3yrs added a few extra years on to me.

den...

Uni · 08-11-2006, 12:56 AM

mate's cousin does alot of work as a bouncer, caught up with him during July - some of his tales scared the bejesus out of me, and this bloke can handle himself. he's done abit of training, said "as long as you keep your head, your mean face screwed on and running shoes tightly strapped there's not alot that can go wrong that won't land someone in a whole world of ****" or something to that effect

Uni/.

I6corp · 08-11-2006, 12:59 AM

Yeah i just started security work about 3months ago, its not too bad.

But as its been said, when the ***** hits the fan, it really its the fan hard!

I work at a night club and general patrol work, i prefer the patrol ;)

Good luck mate, its a sweet job as long as your trained well or get a nice area.

ED Classic · 08-11-2006, 01:47 AM

My advice is take notice of your training. Thinking that anyone can be a secirity guard is like thinking that anyone can be a doctor, its true but the difference between a good one and a bad one is all the difference.

goldfire · 08-11-2006, 03:53 AM

sigh, 5 years and countless new ppl trained and i still give the same peace of pivotal advice. If you don't need to do it, then don't.

The jobs a joke and i've literally done it all, thank the lord that i've been retired for a year now and i still get job offers to this day.

If you must do it however, aim for your coporate agents, mobs like chubb, MSA, wilsons. The best jobs you can get are the nice long boring ones. For the love of god stear clear of clubs, believe me when i say when you work doors, your life is in your workmates hands.

If you have any questions or anything post em up for PM me. I'll be away for a couple of weeks tho.

ratter · 08-11-2006, 08:38 AM

Did crowd control work for a few years, boy do you see a different side of people. You start looking at everybody as though they are trouble makers, it's not a great way to relax.

I would recommend doing it part time and keep a good day job, that way you can view the world through 2 different sets of eyes and realise not everybody is an a55hole like a lot of the drunks turn out to be.

You need to have total trust in the guys you are working with otherwise you will not be confident and it will show to any patrons and you will cop more than share of trouble when working in night clubs etc.

The rules are getting pretty tough these days and you could end up in court for just doing the job you are paid to do, I ended up as the main person in a trial in the coroners court, it was a very scary episode.

Before you start with a security company, talk to a few employees and find out if the company is good to work for and will back their employees if there is any legal trouble, a lot of security companies will let staff fend for themselves in legal situations.

Normally the best bit of advice I give guys starting out, is that your mouth is your best weapon, it's easier to talk down a situation rather than have to fight it down. No body wins in a fight, you may face legal battles down the track as they think they unfairly treated and even if you win you may have injuries, I've had dislocated figures and even a broken hand and I thought I won

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IF you take it up, treat everybody like you would expect or like to be treated, most people are out to have a good time, they don't need some security person with a attitude wrecking their night out, but some do need to be brought into line.

fat289 · 08-11-2006, 09:22 AM

I worked in the security game for 18 years been retired now for 2 & still get hounded to come back to work.
I still scan the crowd when I'm out & will back up my old workmates if they need it
I did Patrols/alarm installs/body guard/money moving/bouncing
Best advice
You "HAVE" to trust the ppl you are working with & know that they are watching your back at all times, if your not comfortable with them get a job somewhere else that you are
Get to know your workmates ( talk to them before you start & watch them a couple of nights & see how they work together )
If your bouncing "ALWAYS" work in pairs
Be nice till its time not to be nice
With experience you will learn how to read a crowd & see trouble before it starts
Copped a few over the years & dished out plenty & more than 1 trouble maker left through the back door ( the experienced guys will know what I'm talking about )

StookEB · 08-11-2006, 10:56 AM

i have a question,
When i worked at Coles Express the men who used to deliver us the cash (can't remember the company) were mainly older men, why is that?

HLC · 08-11-2006, 11:02 AM

I work at "The Shooting Academy" also known as "Fidon Training Centre"

and we do all the firearms training/re-accreditations for Security Guards.

www.shootingacademy.com

RG · 08-11-2006, 11:11 AM

I've been a security guard for about 6 years now and i'm pretty sick of it, although my current job is pretty safe and easy (Coles Myer D.C, gatehouse). I've done a fair bit of the crap work too which isn't easy considering i'm only a small bloke, but i'm still here to tell the tales. Try to steer clear of all the club/pub work, apart from being dangerous it is also a legal minefield. Nowadays with all the rights the dodgy people have they can basically beat the **** out of you and you can't lay a hand on them.

ratter · 08-11-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RedXR8220

. Nowadays with all the rights the dodgy people have they can basically beat the **** out of you and you can't lay a hand on them.

You can use "necessary force" to control a situation, but necessary force can be left open to interpetration.
Legally you can use force to stop a situation and you can use as much physical force as being used against you, but if the other guy stops you must stop right away, you can not continue with the same level of force, a lot of people find it hard to stop in a situation that has turned to violence after their adrenalin has kicked in, which can lead to legal problems.

bencat · 08-11-2006, 12:44 PM

I augmented my income years ago doing static and patroll security work at night, never worked the door of a club, nor would I, too many idiots out there, boring as hell and no room to do anything else..

My advice to you, get a trade mate, serious skills shortage all over Australia in all but the building trades, wanna make a good living in the trades ? Boilermaker (aka welder), you can take your trade all over the world and you will never be out of work. Only hard part is pushing through the low wages of an apprenticeship.

RG · 08-11-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

You can use "necessary force" to control a situation, but necessary force can be left open to interpetration.
Legally you can use force to stop a situation and you can use as much physical force as being used against you, but if the other guy stops you must stop right away, you can not continue with the same level of force, a lot of people find it hard to stop in a situation that has turned to violence after their adrenalin has kicked in, which can lead to legal problems.

I perfectly understand the laws regarding "excessive force" but what is excessive to one person may not be to another. Problem is there are now too many drunken fools around who think they own the world and that they can do anything and when you combine that with some of the readily availiable drugs that are about, the ones where you don't feel pain, it sort of makes it difficult when all the police see is a crowdie/guard that is basically unmarked and some fool that is off his face but has had the **** kicked out of him because he just kept coming for more. It can be pretty hard to stop someone who doesn't feel pain.

Boss 290 · 08-11-2006, 02:19 PM

also if working at clubs you never really know if someone might bring a seringe on you...now that would be a real scary sight. has this happend to any of you guards out there?

ratter · 08-11-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RedXR8220

I perfectly understand the laws regarding "excessive force" but what is excessive to one person may not be to another. Problem is there are now too many drunken fools around who think they own the world and that they can do anything and when you combine that with some of the readily availiable drugs that are about, the ones where you don't feel pain, it sort of makes it difficult when all the police see is a crowdie/guard that is basically unmarked and some fool that is off his face but has had the **** kicked out of him because he just kept coming for more. It can be pretty hard to stop someone who doesn't feel pain.

It sucks, that's why a security camera can be your best friend sometimes.

I learned early on that when the cops arrived they allways went for who ever was carrying on like an idiot, whether it was sercurity or patron, I allways kept cool and never had any hassles from the cops, even when I had to go to coroners court, the coppers where pretty good as we kept pretty accurate notes of all events that happened through the course of the night and the register was always filled out correctly at the end of the night.
If you act professionally, normally you get treated the same way by the law, but the fact is, there are too may thugs that use it as an excuse to hit somebody, I've worked with some and all they do is make the job hard.

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kyro_02 · 08-11-2006, 02:28 PM

can't wait to start the course hehe.. should take a min. of 2 weeks, but normally 3-4 weeks depends how quick sessions go for

yeah basically, if someone punchs' you .. you can't go and pickup a baseball bat and attack them.. you have to 'level' it out , my uncle said he'll help me with the course, the ins and out so i'm prepared for it... i definately don't want to work in clubs or pubs, patrol work or game venues would be what i'd want.

RG · 08-11-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

It sucks, that's why a security camera can be your best friend sometimes.

I learned early on that when the cops arrived they allways went for who ever was carrying on like an idiot, whether it was sercurity or patron, I allways kept cool and never had any hassles from the cops, even when I had to go to coroners court, the coppers where pretty good as we kept pretty accurate notes of all events that happened through the course of the night and the register was always filled out correctly at the end of the night.
If you act professionally, normally you get treated the same way by the law, but the fact is, there are too may thugs that use it as an excuse to hit somebody, I've worked with some and all they do is make the job hard.

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So very true and the exact reason I am working where I am now.

RG · 08-11-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

can't wait to start the course hehe.. should take a min. of 2 weeks, but normally 3-4 weeks depends how quick sessions go for

yeah basically, if someone punchs' you .. you can't go and pickup a baseball bat and attack them.. you have to 'level' it out , my uncle said he'll help me with the course, the ins and out so i'm prepared for it... i definately don't want to work in clubs or pubs, patrol work or game venues would be what i'd want.

If you are after some casual work at a gatehouse once you have your license let me know as we are looking for a casual guard atm. I work in Altona North btw not Ballarat.

Uni · 08-11-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bencat

My advice to you, get a trade mate, serious skills shortage all over Australia in all but the building trades, wanna make a good living in the trades ? Boilermaker (aka welder), you can take your trade all over the world and you will never be out of work. Only hard part is pushing through the low wages of an apprenticeship.

or go work in the mines.. a mate of mine was offered a job, first year out of school, $100k plus benefits like free health insurance and so on

plenty of options out there

Uni/.