hi!!! Who remebers the ford sierra? - Page 2

drcook · 07-09-2006, 10:21 AM

the favourite for me had to be the b&h longhurst cars. looked tops in the yellow. (although when i think back to the b&h days, i always remember the passing of the great denny hulme down conrod straight).

off topic - isnt it funny how holden fans lick the bum crack of brock when, back then, he dropped the holden when it was uncompetitive and went racing bmw's and ford's?.

aualright · 07-09-2006, 11:52 AM

Too bad they retailed for $100k here...if you could find an importer. There was one near where I lived and I used to drool. The Sierra kept me following the blue oval...at a time when Ford Oz thought an EFI 6cyl was a fair substitute for a V8.

VSSII · 07-09-2006, 12:04 PM

I remember some very creative "shenanigans" by some teams relating to the Cosworths at Bathurst one year re qualifyling. Such as fake extinguishers (lighter) and adjustable boost at the twist of a covertly mounted radio dial. They had that much poke DJR designed his own 9inch housing for the independant rear end.

wulos · 07-09-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VSSII

I remember some very creative "shenanigans" by some teams relating to the Cosworths at Bathurst one year re qualifyling. Such as fake extinguishers (lighter) and adjustable boost at the twist of a covertly mounted radio dial. They had that much poke DJR designed his own 9inch housing for the independant rear end.

Bathurst is FULL of Shenanigan stories...Every team trying to gain the edge over the opposition. None too sure as to how much of this stuff still goes on though.
A couple of the more "legendary" efforts were things like one unnamed team having brake bias adjuster hooked into the blinker stalk.
Another was George Fury's 84? lap record pole position qualifing lap on the old track - before they bent Conrod Straight & brought in Castrol Chase (thats right a 4cylinder Blueturd holds the lap record on the original Mt Panorama circuit)
Nissn Racing at the time had set up their "firebomb" in front of the intercooler. On his pole shot, he detonated the firebomb about halfway down the mountain, which helped cool down the intercooler / intake charge & give it extra grunt down Conrod. These motors were built like hand grenades running some pretty big boost numbers (something like 42psi in qualifying trim iirc) and were built to last something like 30-40km. Creative way of working around the rules, but one that still goes down in the record books.

Ringo · 07-09-2006, 02:11 PM

I heard about about a magic cable that was fitted b/w the waste gate and the ash tray on a particular turbo bluebird.....pull out the ashtray for extra boost !! it would have made other FURYious (nudge nudge)

I remember a fire extengisher going off in a Sierra engine bay during qualifying at the mountain one year. There was a suggestion it would lower the intercooler temp dramatically...I think it was brocky....anyone else remember?

I also remember when DJ was the only one having a go with the Sierras after giving up on the 5.0 Mustangs. That was the days when they would race for 60 minutes regardless of how many laps that would be...John Bowe was driving a turbo *cough Volvo *cough.

I remember the Sierras blowing up turbo's regularly....clouds and clouds of white smoke would pour from the exhaust.

The year that DJ and JB won Bathurst with their Sierra I heard that when the team pulled down the engine it was completely shagged. The turbo vanes where almost completely worn away and it was way down on boost....they only just made it (like all memorable victories with a wounded car)

Ringo · 07-09-2006, 02:19 PM

I was typing my last post as you posted Wulos....you remember it better than I did....It was a skyline not brocky in a sierra ??? OK

Back in the early days of the turbo in F1 in the late 70's early 80's when BMW was a player they had qualifying engines turned up to buggery which would only last 3 laps - one warm up lap, one flyer, plus a cool down lap. They would fit another engine lthe same and they were fitting new tyres - it was maddness

BMW used to get engine blocks for their f1 engines by finding old 318i's with the 4 cyl 'M10' engine which had more than 100,000 klms on them. These engine blocks would be well 'tempered' and due to all the heating and cooling cycles the engine went though as a daily driver. It was considered to have worked out of the 'cold stresses' that the manufacturing process used to put into the block. The blocks where shotpeened in other words.

Rev28K · 07-09-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringo

I remember the Sierras blowing up turbo's regularly....clouds and clouds of white smoke would pour from the exhaust.

Yup and those engines cost $50k-$60k a pop from memory (back in the days that was a lot of money)

Tiapan · 07-09-2006, 04:13 PM

sierras are cool but thats all the credit i can give to a four pot

Pieoter · 07-09-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Back in the early days of the turbo in F1 in the late 70's early 80's when BMW was a player they had qualifying engines turned up to buggery which would only last 3 laps - one warm up lap, one flyer, plus a cool down lap. They would fit another engine lthe same and they were fitting new tyres - it was maddness

BMW used to get engine blocks for their f1 engines by finding old 318i's with the 4 cyl 'M10' engine which had more than 100,000 klms on them. These engine blocks would be well 'tempered' and due to all the heating and cooling cycles the engine went though as a daily driver. It was considered to have worked out of the 'cold stresses' that the manufacturing process used to put into the block. The blocks where shotpeened in other words.

Not true. They did have qualifying engine but they lasted more than 3laps as qual lasted for 60minutes and it takes 60minutes to replace and engine. They couldn't have done 4 engine changes in 60minutes.

Also the engines used in F1 where M12 engines. The M10 engine for road cars had very different bore and store to the M12 (89.2mm bore 60mm stroke). In the 1986 season they had 1300hp in qualifying (5.5BAR of boost or around 81PSI) and 850hp in race trim.

GTWHOA · 07-09-2006, 06:41 PM

"The highest reported road acceleration is 0-60mph in 3.07 seconds by a ford RS200 evolution driven by Graham Hathaway at the Millbrook Proving Grond Beds, UK, on 25 may 1994"

Thats from Guiness Book Of Records 1998

YuGoStaR · 07-09-2006, 07:51 PM

And here is one of the above mentioned RS200 cars.
A remarkable little thing to say the least. I don't care what you think about four cylinder engines, you have to show this thing respect.

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RS200 Here

**Mechan1k** · 07-09-2006, 07:54 PM

It's quicker than that now ... I think the McLaren F1 LM beat that one with 2.7 or 2.8 IIRC

Last time I saw a Cosworth on Sydney's roads was one of the last Escort RS Cosworths ... numberplate was "F1" ... was red in colour. God it sounded horn

**Mechan1k** · 07-09-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by YuGoStaR

And here is one of the above mentioned RS200 cars.
A remarkable little thing to say the least. I don't care what you think about four cylinder engines, you have to show this thing respect.

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RS200 Here

damn 0-60mph in 2.1 is neck greaking ... LOL

XRDRIFT · 07-09-2006, 08:06 PM

Dont care what anyone says about them, they look HOT!

I see the same one from time to time in my area black fully kiited up and boosted and I'd swap my XR6T anyday for it.

And those engines in a mk2 escort hammer...IMBOSS is testament. The white eskie thats been in various DVD's and mags, and I seen it in action, ok not a sierra but sierra powered either way I want one!

red_hotxr6 · 07-09-2006, 08:12 PM

Didnt Dick johnson have to sell a couple hundred of these things before he could race them or sell them.Any way love them or hate them its a Ford, a very fast ford. :eclipsee_

jeffchalker · 07-09-2006, 10:38 PM

Hers a couple of my old girls
I owned all three of them

and the RS500

You can see them at the All Ford days Warwick Farm
I only have 2 Escort cosworths now

These are all in Oz

I import these cars mainly from the UK

www.chalker.com.au

This Touring car is in NZ and owned by a friend
I went for a run in it without a belt on along the country roads
I have never been so scared in all my life

rushing on acid · 07-09-2006, 11:46 PM

mmmm the eskies ans sierras. id love a cosworth esky. there are alot of myths and legends about djr and his sierras. one that i know of is djr's sierras were the most succesfull in worldwide touring car history (out of the sierras), aparently back then the car didnt have to have a certain number sold before it could race here because it was under the international rules, i may be mistaken and if i am please forgive me.

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Originally Posted by JG66ME

What ****ed me off was that CAMS changed the rules because the Sierra always won, made them restrict the turbo. Then they let that Nissan thing race. If that Nissan is a touring car, I bare my **** in Bourke Street.

The day DJ was robbed of that Bathurst win when he passed that Ricer on sterroids AND the Ford was forced to race with a restrictor is the last day I watched a touring car race.

MAINTAIN THE RAGE I say.

Steve

PS

I still have most of the ATCC Races with Sierras on vidio, should transfer them to disc.

please do put em on disc, i pfor one prefer the good old days compared to todays rubbish. up yours to jim richards and mark skaife you pricks are the pack of *********!

Falcon Freak · 08-09-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffchalker

Hers a couple of my old girls
I owned all three of them

Which one is your favourite?

FF

Interceptor · 08-09-2006, 01:42 AM

damn..... anyone wanna buy me a black RS500 in exchange for my soul?

**Mechan1k** · 11-09-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffchalker

Hers a couple of my old girls
I owned all three of them

and the RS500

You can see them at the All Ford days Warwick Farm
I only have 2 Escort cosworths now

These are all in Oz

I import these cars mainly from the UK

www.chalker.com.au

This Touring car is in NZ and owned by a friend
I went for a run in it without a belt on along the country roads
I have never been so scared in all my life

How much for the Black Escort RS????
Would love one ... but the Minister of War and Finances would say otherwise.

INJECTED_250 · 11-09-2006, 09:14 PM

THe texaco sierras were the toughest ones ever.. even if they did use rocket fuel.... at least the beat brocky on the day.... only to loose bathurst 3 mouths later due to a protest about the fuel they ran....

grumpyoldb · 12-09-2006, 12:15 AM

I imported 4 of them - a white one, a silver one, a black one and a met blue. 2 from the UK and 2 from NZ. 2 were RS5000 and 2 RS500s - the RS500s had a bigger TO4 turbo and a few other bits and pieces designed to circumvent the homologation regs which required that 5000 be produced in the one form the gain original homologation (hence RS5000), and then any updates had to be in batches of 500 hence the RS500. A really great road car - docile, comfortable and smooth, but because of the huge wing every man and his dog wanted to race.... Also, bloody dangerous in the wet - as soon as boost came on, no matter what gear, it would go sideways....so you had to pussy-foot around below about 3000 rpm because it was too easy to get into trouble without even trying.

pHaT`eL · 12-09-2006, 04:01 AM

Its been said on here before about Brock not having the Ford badge on his car, well check out Bluehoon's pics, the Johnson car doesnt have a badge either, and the Longhurst car has the blue badge? Wasnt his a red one? I remember it red as it was weird, but looked good on the car..

BaggedSplash · 12-09-2006, 04:42 AM

we had those Ford Sierra's here in the US for awhile but they were badged as Merkur XR4Ti. neat cars!!

the_scotsman · 12-09-2006, 08:44 AM

When I was growing up, the Sierra Sapphire Cosworth was a dream car of mine...I ALWAYS wanted one...I love em!!

Did you ever get them over here?

Bud Bud · 12-09-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by drcook

the favourite for me had to be the b&h longhurst cars. looked tops in the yellow. (although when i think back to the b&h days, i always remember the passing of the great denny hulme down conrod straight).

off topic - isnt it funny how holden fans lick the bum crack of brock when, back then, he dropped the holden when it was uncompetitive and went racing bmw's and ford's?.

That’s all good and fine, as Ford Aus was even more uncompetitive back then. Remember why DJ (and other Ford drivers) were forced into the Sierras in the first place. Where were all the XF Clevos or the EA Windsors? This was really a sad chapter for Ford Aus IMHO, and this is an area that Ford is still playing catch up today.

I know what every body really wanted to see on the track back then!

The problem with the Sierra was that nobody could identify themselves with it, and when you look at it Ford has done a fantastic job marketing the XR6 T now so why did they not do the same with the Sierra back then??? (Win on Sunday sell on Monday)

merlin · 12-09-2006, 11:15 AM

Ye olde tales of Bathurst in this thread are very interesting - makes me wish it was still as exciting today but watching identical shells of XR8's/SS's with nothing in common with what I can buy lapping round and round in procession is YAWN material for me.

Rev28K · 12-09-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by the_scotsman

When I was growing up, the Sierra Sapphire Cosworth was a dream car of mine...I ALWAYS wanted one...I love em!!

Did you ever get them over here?

I saw a white Sapphire Cosworth at a Winton sprint meet 2 years ago, I’m sure that there are a few imports around.

I did see a Cosworth Escort in South Yarra years ago (only one that I’ve seen on the road in Aus).

There are a few Lancia Integrales getting about too ($60k).

99FalconS · 12-09-2006, 07:08 PM

Sierra RS500 in black, classic car.

Not the standard 1.6L 4 pots that are dumped on the corner of every road in the UK.

**Mechan1k** · 12-09-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the_scotsman

When I was growing up, the Sierra Sapphire Cosworth was a dream car of mine...I ALWAYS wanted one...I love em!!

Did you ever get them over here?

I saw a heap of them in England when I was over there on holidays when I was kid .... The Sapphire was an awesome saloon car. Last time I saw one was at a dyno day back in the late 90's up in Brookvale ... was making a healthy 600hp at the rear wheels ... sounded like an animal too.