Proposed Bikie Laws - Page 2

Black F6 · 06-04-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

You can buy "gang" supporter wear over the net.. "route 81", "fat mexican" etc... not full blown but you wont be confused about where your loyalty's lie.
"members" normally only wear their colors under certain circumstances..
I still can't see how they'd ever be able to identify club members over friends and family.... Only gang members know who is and isnt "in". and many "active" allies aren't even classified as "members"....

If you did wear gang clothes and werent in the gang, you should be locked up for being a knob anyway

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4Vman · 06-04-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BFXRScott

If you did wear gang clothes and werent in the gang, you should be locked up for being a knob anyway

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Yes that's true...
I wouldnt want to be the person who tries to work out if you're "legit" or not though...

**FTE217** · 06-04-2009, 03:45 PM

Jeeez some thread debates are taken beyond the ridiculous as usual.....
Can't please everybody as they say but thank goodness something is finally being done is all I'll say.
Oh yer I let my 16 and 10yr old sons know they are classified as being in a gang now wearing their favourite team colours at the v8's, football etcetc so be on the look out for being scrutinised.......
but don't worry you can sleep at night as does your old man with a clear conscience as if the feds get a warrant to check out our stockade we have nothing to hide so they are just doing their job which is good for us law abiding citizens.

flappist · 06-04-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BFXRScott

If you did wear gang clothes and werent in the gang, you should be locked up for being a knob anyway

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Yeh all those with FPV clothes who only drive XRs.......

snappy · 06-04-2009, 05:21 PM

slight difference between wearing a hells angels jacket when your not a member.
Than wearing a jacket with a brand name . Fpv is not a gang .

Black F6 · 06-04-2009, 05:25 PM

I dont see what the big deal is, if you are not doing anything wrong than you have nothing to fear

flappist · 06-04-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

slight difference between wearing a hells angels jacket when your not a member.
Than wearing a jacket with a brand name . Fpv is not a gang .

Really.......

Try wearing a FPV shirt into a HSV bogan camp at Bathurst and see whether or not there is any gang mentallity.

flappist · 06-04-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BFXRScott

I dont see what the big deal is, if you are not doing anything wrong than you have nothing to fear

hdj80 · 06-04-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

How can you prove in law that someone's a member of a gang anyway? its not like these groups keep records, have annual renewals or hand out membership medallions....

They do hand out F'ing big patches they wear on their jackets. I reckon that would be dead set a good starting point. Trying wearing a set of Hells Angels colours into their club house if you aren't a member

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Anti association laws aren't easy to implement, but it makes the pollies feel like they are doing something.

BHDOGS · 06-04-2009, 05:42 PM

bikie gangs they get what they deserve

snappy · 06-04-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Really.......

Try wearing a FPV shirt into a HSV bogan camp at Bathurst and see whether or not there is any gang mentallity.

A drunken mob is still not a gang you can twist it as much as you want its not the same.

balthazarr · 06-04-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

A drunken mob is still not a gang you can twist it as much as you want its not the same.

The problem is not whether we twist it, the problem is whether the police force, government and courts will twist it and expand the interpretation of the laws beyond what they were originally intended for, which may be too broad to begin with.

Just because you say it is not the same, doesn't mean it can't or won't be interpreted to mean the same by those in authority.

Black F6 · 06-04-2009, 06:01 PM

Im sure judges are smart enough to know what the law was made for, and im sure the police are not going to be using these laws for people not breaking the law

OLDFORDNUT · 06-04-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

It is much easier than that. Just ban Harley Davidisons.

Only criminals and real estate agents own these two wheeled mechanical dinosaurs. They have push rods you know, like one quarter of an LS1 without the oil usage (it leaks out before it burns)

WE CAN ALWAYS rely on you Flappist.
you just made my day.
Having had a laugh ,i must say its a real bad road our Governments are going down now.
we dont need new laws we need Police to do there jobs properly , the Police minister several years ago said ,(and i quote)WE HAVE DROPPED THE BALL)
REFERING to a question asked by a writer on how had bike gangs and UNDERWORLD figures of Aussie,Asian italian and Middle Eastern groupes,gained so much wealth and Power.
We will have no rites at all soon,
We need our Police to tackle real crime and drugs head on instead of just raising revenue catching drivers for being 10kmh over the limit

BENT_8 · 06-04-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BFXRScott

I dont see what the big deal is, if you are not doing anything wrong than you have nothing to fear

Exactly, as has been said, no action will be taken until the gang has been declared illegal, to be declared illegal there must be substanciating evidence.

Such evidence could be the combined 1000+ serious convictions that was reported by the police in regards to one such group...how many serious offences do you and your mates need before you might be considered anti-social.
I dont think they'll bother with FPV supporters somehow.
Evidence in SA confirms the only other group in SA with more convictions is in Yatala Prison.

Wheres the need for fortified club rooms if theres no violence involved..Does the Lexus centre have 20ft high walls surrounding it?

As for keeping good old Aussie gangs over ethnic groups, read the names of those involved in violence over the last 3wks..
The reason for the recent increase in the level of violence shown by some of these gangs can be linked to the influx of non-anglo members.

I dont have a problem with social get togethers if thats all they are.

Then again perhaps the law makers may have it all wrong.

Bucknaked · 06-04-2009, 07:21 PM

Homer Simpson's Motorcycle Gang

Hells Satans :sm_headba

**DJM83** · 06-04-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Homer Simpson's Motorcycle Gang

Hells Satans :sm_headba

Nah wild hogs takes the cake for me

Bucknaked · 06-04-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 51RTE

Nah wild hogs takes the cake for me

I love the dude with the Apple tat on his arm.

Funny movie

boss-290 · 06-04-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Its unworkable.... and frankly stupid.
How do you stop a group of people congregating, talking or riding together?

With an automatic assault rifle, thats how.

gthofan · 06-04-2009, 08:07 PM

Tough stuff!

In all honesty, you cant stop any illegal things happening. Whether it be "bikies" or 2 guys behind the train station, its always gonna happen.

gcg2503 · 06-04-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

As for keeping good old Aussie gangs over ethnic groups, read the names of those involved in violence over the last 3wks..
The reason for the recent increase in the level of violence shown by some of these gangs can be linked to the influx of non-anglo members.

AHA

Pauline Hanson has been trolling AFF under the username BENT_8

Super genius, it is all about race.....

4Vman · 06-04-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

As for keeping good old Aussie gangs over ethnic groups, read the names of those involved in violence over the last 3wks..
The reason for the recent increase in the level of violence shown by some of these gangs can be linked to the influx of non-anglo members.

You really are clueless arent you.

gthofan · 06-04-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

As for keeping good old Aussie gangs .

How many can you name that originated here?

Bucknaked · 06-04-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gthofan

Tough stuff!

That's the one.

BENT_8 · 07-04-2009, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by gcg2503

AHA

Pauline Hanson has been trolling AFF under the username BENT_8

Super genius, it is all about race.....

No, its nothing to do with race, its simply a case of getting a message across and as it turns out some people have a way of sending the message more effectively than others.

Let me say, i am not for the laws by any means, if groups put themselves in a situation through drawing attention, then these results mustn't come as a surprise surely.

BENT_8 · 07-04-2009, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

You really are clueless arent you.

I dont see how, considering i'm from the state where these laws are currently in the process of being passed.
The subject is quite common in all forms of media.