John Goss Bathurst winning cars on display - Ford Discovery Centre

Discovery · 24-11-2006, 05:19 PM

Hi all, Felicity from the Ford Discovery Centre here. Thought you might be interested in the newest additions to our display. Hope to see you all soon.

Visit the Ford Discovery Centre before the end of January 2007 and see Australian Motor Racing Legend John Goss’s 1974 Bathurst winning XA Falcon GT along with his 1985 Bathurst winning Jaguar XJS.

This is a great opportunity for the motor racing enthusiast to get up close to 2 icons of Australian Motor Racing history. John Goss has faithfully restored both cars to their original racing condition.

The Ford Discovery Centre also boasts displays on the history of Ford Motor Company in Australia from it’s beginnings in a converted flour mill in Geelong in 1925 to current production vehicles, as well as the chance to view robots, crash test dummies, cutaway displays, clay models and much much more. There’s something for all the family.

The Centre is open Wednesday to Monday from 10am to 5pm, closed Tuesdays and Christmas Day and New Years Day. For further information phone the Centre on 52278700.

smally289 · 24-11-2006, 05:24 PM

The XA would be awesome to see, but its only a replica, isn't it?

4Vman · 24-11-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by smally351

The XA would be awesome to see, but its only a replica, isn't it?

Yep, its a replica, the real car is dead..

Discovery · 24-11-2006, 05:29 PM

No smally351, this is the real deal. It is the re-shelled race car. It did race with a different body but after leaving it sit for many years, John faithfully restored it to it's original specifications, even going so far as to use an original race shell allocated to him in the 1970's for the car. The body shell is even stamped as a development body.

John's commitment and attention to detail are amazing to see. And the car is so loud it set off someones car alarm getting it off the trailer! It sounds awesome!

Discovery · 24-11-2006, 05:32 PM

After speaking to John and hearing the story from his own mouth, please be assured that the Falcon is the real deal. Re-shelled, yes, but the original car. John has gone to great lengths to restore it back to its former glory and did mention that there was quite a bit of mis-information around about the vehicle.

4Vman · 24-11-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Discovery

After speaking to John and hearing the story from his own mouth, please be assured that the Falcon is the real deal. Re-shelled, yes, but the original car. John has gone to great lengths to restore it back to its former glory and did mention that there was quite a bit of mis-information around about the vehicle.

Sorry to be pedantic, but if the shell is changed it isnt the original car, everything else might be off the original shell, but its not the "shell" or car that Goss raced to win Bathurst, it may have raced later in its life, im not sure, but this isnt the Bathurst winning Shell/car.. :-)
Same deal as Bowdens Moffat phase 3, that shell was changed and raced as the 72 car, the original 71 Bathurst winning shell is dead.

GRNKPR · 24-11-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Sorry to be pedantic, but if the shell is changed it isnt the original car, everything else might be off the original shell, but its not the "shell" or car that Goss raced to win Bathurst, it may have raced later in its life, im not sure, but this isnt the Bathurst winning Shell/car.. :-)
Same deal as Bowdens Moffat phase 3, that shell was changed and raced as the 72 car, the original 71 Bathurst winning shell is dead.

Oh Mr 4 v Correct but you missed 1974 XA ??????????????????????????????

Discovery · 25-11-2006, 12:59 AM

4Vman, pedantic - yes.

: Still, I challenge you to find a race vehicle that is totally original. Show me where I can find another Bathurst winning car (in this case two cars) still owned by the original driver and complete with 'straight from the horses mouth' history.

Whatever your take on the vehicle, it's definately well worth a look. As is the Jag. John is a passionate man who, according to those closest to him, most likely dreams in blue and white. If you ever get the opportunity to meet and speak with him i'd highly recommend it.

Hope to see you in the Centre one day in the coming months.

smciner1 · 25-11-2006, 03:54 PM

Will be worth heading in for a look.

xbgs351 · 25-11-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Discovery

4Vman, pedantic - yes.

: Still, I challenge you to find a race vehicle that is totally original.

Any car that has Certificate of Description (COD) is very original. Group C cars require a COD and the John Goss Falcon in question hasn't got one.

http://www.cams.com.au/downloads/historic/T18h.pdf

XA-Coupe · 25-11-2006, 08:04 PM

I think we know where the car in question stands, let's leave it at that.
Reshell or not, I want to go and have a look at it !

xbgs351 · 25-11-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

I think we know where the car in question stands, let's leave it at that.
Reshell or not, I want to go and have a look at it !

It's still well worth seeing, although I'm more impressed by the XB. When I saw the XA at Bathurst last year it had some items that were definately incorrect. Most likely they have been fixed by now. One thing amazed me - it had no fan. The thing boiled when they were playing around with the timing and the Webers prior to it doing the display lap.

buickman · 25-11-2006, 10:03 PM

I've got a pic of John standing near the car taken by a freinds dad back in the early 70's at Sandown. Now its a challange for me to find the pic

outback_ute · 26-11-2006, 12:35 PM

Saw the cars at Sandown historics, definitely go to see them - the only trouble is they won't be running, they sound fantastic. The Jag is even louder than the Falcon if anything

GRNKPR · 26-11-2006, 02:56 PM

want to see em run, two words MUSCLECAR MASTERS @ Eastern Creek where they get a run around the track

Melz · 26-11-2006, 03:00 PM

Would be absolutely awesome to see these cars, looks like I'm going for a road trip just to see them!!! Thanks for telling us Felicity!!

TZENU · 26-11-2006, 03:09 PM

nice... Might drop by next weekend to check it out... Looks awesome.. and ready to race :P

xbgs351 · 26-11-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by outback_ute

Saw the cars at Sandown historics, definitely go to see them - the only trouble is they won't be running, they sound fantastic. The Jag is even louder than the Falcon if anything

How about the F5000s?

Melz · 26-11-2006, 07:54 PM

This is from GRNKPR, the photo of the John Goss XA coupe. Well worth a look....

smciner1 · 26-11-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Melz

This is from GRNKPR, the photo of the John Goss XA coupe. Well worth a look....

Loos suspiciously like it was taken at the GT Nationals last year.

:evil3:

GXL078 · 26-11-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Melz

This is from GRNKPR, the photo of the John Goss XA coupe. Well worth a look....

Nice ONE!

outback_ute · 27-11-2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

How about the F5000s?

They weren't bad either, but not really that much louder I thought. They run mufflers which doesn't help. For the really loud cars it has to be cars from UK/US that don't have mufflers. I can't wait to see the F5000's run at Philip Island next Feb, there is supposed to be 30 cars there and the track is a lot better for spectating.

LUXO_8 · 27-11-2006, 12:16 AM

might have to pop in for a gander.....how long are they there for?

Mark351 · 28-11-2006, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Discovery

Visit the Ford Discovery Centre before the end of January 2007 and see Australian Motor Racing Legend John Goss’s 1974 Bathurst winning XA Falcon GT along with his 1985 Bathurst winning Jaguar XJS.

There ya go.

GRNKPR · 28-11-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by smciner1

Loos suspiciously like it was taken at the GT Nationals last year.

:evil3:

Thanks Melz for posting pic

could ve been taken there as i do get around !!!!!!!!

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LUXO_8 · 28-11-2006, 06:37 PM

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There ya go.

oops...missed that bit..
cheers

MO · 28-11-2006, 10:38 PM

I can't remember exactly but it was either the XA or the XB that Gossy was selling back then for 14k c/w spare slicks and wets and motor and road reg.
Almost got after talking to him on phone.

The bank wouldn't give me a loan...probably would've killed myself anyway..so just as well.

xbgs351 · 01-12-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by outback_ute

They weren't bad either, but not really that much louder I thought. They run mufflers which doesn't help. For the really loud cars it has to be cars from UK/US that don't have mufflers. I can't wait to see the F5000's run at Philip Island next Feb, there is supposed to be 30 cars there and the track is a lot better for spectating.

Thought you might like this incar footage of the Lola T332
http://www.warbirdsovernewzealand.c...ndownfriday.wmv

It's about 9.5 Mb

HOON69 · 02-12-2006, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by smciner1

Loos suspiciously like it was taken at the GT Nationals last year.

:evil3:

looks fantastic
so wish i could see these great rides

outback_ute · 04-12-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

Thought you might like this incar footage of the Lola T332
http://www.warbirdsovernewzealand.c...ndownfriday.wmv

It's about 9.5 Mb

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