e-series audio amplifier wanted.

Shrude · 13-11-2006, 11:50 PM

I believe these were Alpine and roughly 4ch - 450watt.
I want one for my NA Fairlane to run some nice speakers i just bought.

LTDHO · 13-11-2006, 11:50 PM

They were no where near 450 watt, around 40 per channel

Shrude · 13-11-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

They were no where near 450 watt, around 40 per channel

Really? Hmmm

I want to run a pair of 6x9 60watt Bostons from a pretty standard Schneider HU.

Any suggestions?

I dont need anything more than to run those and the front speakers, or even just the rears on their own

Sundeep · 13-11-2006, 11:53 PM

I got one $60.

It's 3 channel, no idea on wattage.

Made by Alpine in Japan IIRC.

/shameless plug

Sundeep

sphell · 13-11-2006, 11:55 PM

haha 450 watt, i thought he meant 4 X 50w

LTDHO · 14-11-2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shrude

Really? Hmmm

I want to run a pair of 6x9 60watt Bostons from a pretty standard Schneider HU.

Any suggestions?

I dont need anything more than to run those and the front speakers, or even just the rears on their own

They are a high quality amp great for awesome sounding stereos. I have kept the one from the LTD for that reason.
If you want quality sound put the 6x9's in the bin.
Buy some good 6.5 3 ways for the rear.

If you haven't don't the front yet, get some quality splits (or components).

When you get the Alpine/Ford amp run both front and rear off it.

For bass, it is better to run a good powerful sub and amp.

Shrude · 14-11-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

They are a high quality amp great for awesome sounding stereos.

But not good enough for these speakers!

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

If you want quality sound put the 6x9's in the bin.
Buy some good 6.5 3 ways for the rear.

I dont think so.

Boston SL95, sale price & Specs ->

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

When you get the Alpine/Ford amp run both front and rear off it.

I changed my mind, if that ford amp is only 40 rms, i need something at least 60watt , preferably 80.

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

For bass, it is better to run a good powerful sub and amp.

I wont be running a subbie. Not interested.

I have a mate with a nice new set of pioneer 6x9s running off an old Kenwood amp, i think its about 80rms, standard front speakers and an old Pioneer HU. His sound is way good.
I dont need excessive volume.

I always thought those Ford/ Alpine amps were more powerful than 40 rms.
My old Tickford Eb Fairmont's premium sound was brilliant. I am surprised they are only 40.

LTDHO · 14-11-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shrude

I wont be running a subbie. Not interested.

I have a mate with a nice new set of pioneer 6x9s running off an old Kenwood amp, i think its about 80rms, standard front speakers and an old Pioneer HU. His sound is way good.
I dont need excessive volume.

Sorry mate, my mistake. I always assume people want quality sounding audio.

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Originally Posted by Shrude

I always thought those Ford/ Alpine amps were more powerful than 40 rms.
My old Tickford Eb Fairmont's premium sound was brilliant. I am surprised they are only 40.

Back In the day of early E-series I believe Ford hired an ex senior from Alpine and recommended this unit. As it was going into the prestige vehicles and only driving a shelf mounted free air sub, this amp was perfect.

NC_GHIA · 14-11-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

They are a high quality amp great for awesome sounding stereos. I have kept the one from the LTD for that reason.
If you want quality sound put the 6x9's in the bin.
Buy some good 6.5 3 ways for the rear.
If you haven't don't the front yet, get some quality splits (or components).

When you get the Alpine/Ford amp run both front and rear off it.

For bass, it is better to run a good powerful sub and amp.

That is very true...

6x9's are vertualy just there for people who can't Afford sub's but want some sort of bass....

for the best sound 6" or 6.5" 3ways are the best... And if you can afford to buy boston why didn't you get proffesional addvice...

Not aimed at shrude just a general advice....
And I think there more then 60watt my boston 4" are 150watt...

1st how much were they?

And if you paid more then $250 you got ripped and should ask for a refund and buy Sound stream tarauntula 6x9's rated at 150WRMS

Sick EB · 14-11-2006, 02:31 PM

jeez that amp is massive and is only 3 channel. i bought kenwood 6' 3 ways and they sound great. and btw off topic a bit but has anyone noticed that the forums have gone a bit quiet, particulary e-series and the for sale sections?

Shrude · 14-11-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Sorry mate, my mistake. I always assume people want quality sounding audio.

Your''e right I do, but i dont need a sub to do that

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

As it was going into the prestige vehicles and only driving a shelf mounted free air sub, this amp was perfect.

For the standard speakers the Fords had on the parcel shelf and the demographic of the new fairlan buyer back then it would have been perfect.

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Back In the day of ....

Oh so you do give Merit to past experiences and technologies? Either that or just trying to justify to yourself why you would hang on to that amp.

You see , back in the day when I was 17 - 18, I had a Pioneer head unit , a Pioneer EQ & 2 x 6" Pioneer 3 way coaxials.
And believe me that was plenty, more than enough as it was.
So i am basing my requirements on this past experience, but i have to take todays underpowered head units into consideration , so , i need an amp. For my 6x9s 60watt rms.

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Originally Posted by 6cylEA

6x9's are vertualy just there for people who can't Afford sub's but want some sort of bass....

I disagree, those 6x9s in my mates Falcon put out a heap of bass. no subbie within spitting distance.

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Originally Posted by 6cylEA

And if you can afford to buy boston why didn't you get proffesional addvice...

I wouldnt pay the retail price they are asking for those Bostons. There is better things to spend money on than car audio.

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Originally Posted by 6cylEA

And I think there more then 60watt my boston 4" are 150watt...
1st how much were they?
And if you paid more then $250 you got ripped and should ask for a refund and buy Sound stream tarauntula 6x9's rated at 150WRMS

You perhaps should follow the link i provided and stop thinking

I got them for $105.

150watt RMS speakers? that would need an even bigger amp?
Like i said , there is more important things in life than car audio at my age.
Dude. I am not you or LTwannabeHO. I explained my requirements shame you guys need to try influence people to your preferences.

Found in the right area within these forums *click*

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Originally Posted by joolz

From memory 4x50watts but 2 channels are bridged for the sub. It has no variable x-overs so basiacally its 2x50watts and 1x100w amp (RMS)

Seems this amp wouldnt be adequate to drive my speakers. Does it.

Thanks for your help guys and Happy Subbing!

LTDHO · 14-11-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrude

Your''e right I do, but i dont need a sub to do that

Ha ha ha ha ha, as if. I have never heard a good subless sound. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Shrude

For the standard speakers the Fords had on the parcel shelf and the demographic of the new fairlan buyer back then it would have been perfect.

Very true

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Originally Posted by Shrude

Oh so you do give Merit to past experiences and technologies? Either that or just trying to justify to yourself why you would hang on to that amp.

Ask anyone who knows alpine, they know it's a great amp.

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Originally Posted by Shrude

You see , back in the day when I was 17 - 18, I had a Pioneer head unit , a Pioneer EQ & 2 x 6" Pioneer 3 way coaxials.
And believe me that was plenty, more than enough as it was.
So i am basing my requirements on this past experience, but i have to take todays underpowered head units into consideration , so , i need an amp. For my 6x9s 60watt rms.

You may want to take the time and resaerch car audio a little more. The above cobination would have been ok, but lacking all low frequencies. Which all songs have.

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Originally Posted by Shrude

I disagree, those 6x9s in my mates Falcon put out a heap of bass. no subbie within spitting distance.

Fact: 6x9's waste power and do not generate low frequencies.

IMO I would never fit them, even if they were free. In utes I still install a sub.

EL Monty · 14-11-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrude

I believe these were Alpine and roughly 4ch - 450watt.
I want one for my NA Fairlane to run some nice speakers i just bought.

Why don't you just buy the one on ebay where you got the picture from?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EF-EL-Premium...QQcmdZViewItem

Shrude · 15-11-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EL Monty

Why don't you just buy the one on ebay where you got the picture from?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EF-EL-Premium...QQcmdZViewItem

This is why:

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Originally Posted by Shrude

I changed my mind, if that ford amp is only 40 rms, i need something at least 60watt , preferably 80.

Besides, why would i do that when i can come to a ford forum where someone might have updated and be sitting on one they have had for a while and might offload it for $20. HULLO

pauly_el_01 · 16-11-2006, 08:15 PM

um the amps specs are
4x50wrms@4ohm 14.4volts
2x150wrms@4ohm (bridged) 14.4volts

dcstraight · 16-11-2006, 10:24 PM

The amp in question is a 3 channel - I believe it is internally bridged (channels 3&4) for the free-air parcel shelf sub mounted in premium sound systems and to run the rear speakers in stereo obviously.

I do agree on the 6X9 discussion - hard to get 'great sounding' 6X9s - sure you can get loud ones (Total Recoil, Boston etc)...but for all out SQ, there are some better drivers to be had in the way of 6.5"...of course this is all dependent on ones definition of quality sound

Shrude - I don't think anyone is having a go at you...more-so sharing information on what is known / tested to work well. But hey, everyone's ears are different - so if it sounds good to you, then that's all that counts

bArNsY · 16-11-2006, 11:06 PM

I just brought a premium sound amp tonight to run my front and rears, am I still able to do that? For $30 may as well run my speakers off it cos i am not interested in spending another $200+ for another amp!

Aaron_EF8 · 16-11-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dcstraight

Shrude - I don't think anyone is having a go at you...more-so sharing information on what is known / tested to work well. But hey, everyone's ears are different - so if it sounds good to you, then that's all that counts

Well said. You can only compare with what you've heard. When I was 16, I thought subs were a **** as well, but when I heard Pink Floyd (hardly doof doof) for the first time on a stereo with a sub, my mind was VERY quickly changed.

Also remember, it's illegal to cut the parcel shelf, so if you want to keep legal, you'll need spacers, which IMO look incredibly 1980's bogan.

Shrude · 16-11-2006, 11:58 PM

Fair enough chasps, but i need a 2x60wrms amp minimum.

Psycho Chicken · 17-11-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_EF8

but when I heard Pink Floyd (hardly doof doof) for the first time on a stereo with a sub, my mind was VERY quickly changed.

You're from SA and listening to Floyd at the time. Face it, you were baked big time when it happened.

oneredED · 17-11-2006, 12:13 AM

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I do agree on the 6X9 discussion - hard to get 'great sounding' 6X9s - sure you can get loud ones (Total Recoil, Boston etc)...but for all out SQ, there are some better drivers to be had in the way of 6.5"...of course this is all dependent on ones definition of quality sound

I heard those Total Recoil 6x9's absolutely hammer! Over 140dB+ with no subs but pushing 1000wrms through them??? It was on their website a long time ago (years?)... I went looking the other day on their website and couldnt find them again.

Oh, and add another vote for some decent 6.5's

BoZZa17 · 17-11-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Ha ha ha ha ha, as if. I have never heard a good subless sound. Ever.

what the? where u been living? maybe if ya got 4"'ers all round.. but cmon

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Fact: 6x9's waste power and do not generate low frequencies.

IMO I would never fit them, even if they were free. In utes I still install a sub.

waste power? what, when u go from 6.5" to 6'9 in the outside cone gets smaller? or dissappears? and the amp just runs the coil yeah? haww diddy thinking about it the cone actually gets bigger most likely producing more bass for the same (ish) quailty speakers. they also usuallly generate the same low frequency's if not lower than the equivilant 6.5'

and as for 6cylEA... i duno where ya got 4"ers to take 150watts all the time... hope thats 150wmax if not get me a set wild!

my guess is this fire coming over the 6x9's is the panzies trying not to cut their shelf! =P

LTDHO · 17-11-2006, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BoZZa17

what the? where u been living? maybe if ya got 4"'ers all round.. but cmon

waste power? what, when u go from 6.5" to 6'9 in the outside cone gets smaller? or dissappears? and the amp just runs the coil yeah? haww diddy thinking about it the cone actually gets bigger most likely producing more bass for the same (ish) quailty speakers. they also usuallly generate the same low frequency's if not lower than the equivilant 6.5'

and as for 6cylEA... i duno where ya got 4"ers to take 150watts all the time... hope thats 150wmax if not get me a set wild!

Righto.

I'm not going to argue.

I know what works, if people want different, well that's up to them. I've been in car audio long enough to know what sounds good.

Aaron_EF8 · 17-11-2006, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

You're from SA and listening to Floyd at the time. Face it, you were baked big time when it happened.

I can't remember......

**Professor Farnsworth** · 17-11-2006, 12:48 AM

i've had 4 different audio installs, and when i say audio installs, i mean a proper setup. As in aftermarket HU, 4 speakers, amp & sub. I'm not a professional, but i've gone through about 6 sets of fronts, 4 sets of rears, 6 subs and plenty of amps, so i have a half decent idea of what i'm talking about. If you're running a sub, 6x9's are a waste of time. As others have said, 6x9's are for systems that don't have subs. I will generally go for a decent set of 3 ways for the rear, and tune the sub frequency for the decent mid - deep range. The EB has 6x9's in the rear, but that's because i originally was just going to have a subless setup, that's all changed recently. Besides the previous owner cut the parcel shelf for 6x9's anyway, so there was little choice without building some form of mounting board to fit 6" 3 ways in the 6x9 spot. Now that the EB has been re-kitted with decent splits in the front, amps and sub etc, i've just got the 6x9's running high pass, with bias majority to the fronts.

Fact: if you want clean sound, on a sub system, you do not want/need 6x9's in the rear. And you certainly don't want 7x10's ;p

bArNsY · 17-11-2006, 10:12 AM

Fantz totally agree with your statement

Back to the ford amp conversation.......I have seen the wiring diagram on how the amp and speakers are setup, as stated above, 2 x XXwrms going into the rear speakers and the sub is bridged 1x XXXwrms.

Channel 1 +2 are set for the speaker frequency ?
channel 3+4 are set for a sub frequency? or is it only when they are bridged?

I will post pictures up next week of the wiring setup when I pick my amp up

Shrude · 06-12-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bArNsY

Channel 1 +2 are set for the speaker frequency ?
channel 3+4 are set for a sub frequency? or is it only when they are bridged?

Correct.
Since I have learned , the first channels are fixed high freq and 3 & 4 are fixed on low freq.

I had a chance to try this amp out.
Its a punchy amp.
I had 2 x 6x9s 80wrms set up at rear and this amp was clean. Although to use this amp properly it needs a sub for ch 3&4.

Bridging ch 1&2 for left and 3 & 4 for right, gave this amp more bottom end on my 6x9s and a heap more power (2 x 150) but, it wasn't in stereo and i had bass in the right and high freq in the left.

The factory intended to have 2 speakers and a sub. Alpine gave them an amp to do that.
There are no gain controls or filter switches.
There is a blanking plate over one end which shows 2 gain controls but they do nothing.

For that setup, 2 rears/fronts and a sub , this amp is brilliant.