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Hi everyone,
I'm new to the forum and I am in the process of buying myself a Ford ST. I currently drive a 2013 Ford Focus S so this is going to be a huge jump for me. I have my eye on a FORD ST with a manual transmission, however, I have been told about the new FORD ST-3 that will be coming out in October. It is a limited edition ST with only 200 to be built. The only problem is it only comes in an automatic. It comes with the features that were in the previous model ST including:
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It's not 'really' limited Imo. There's never been a limited ST/XR5 Turbo
It's just a batch of higher spec cars ST3 cars. Isnt it still the same model, it's not new. Aus ST deliver cars were always a mix of ST1/2 ST3 spec level cars are sold in Europe. If happy with an Auto, get it. If not just get the current ST.
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I’ve been looking at them. If you are happy with an auto the ST3 represents good value in my opinion. I’d pay the extra as I see value in some of the fruit.
It’s not limited in numbers like an R-Spec Mustang but they say they will only bring 200 to Australia. But I think it’s more of a test to see how they sell. If the demand is strong they will bring more next year. It won’t be a collectors item like an RS Focus. How long do you plan to keep it? |
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Dunno why they'd just bring auto if they want to test it, maybe they want it to not be as successful as it could be.
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Gearbox choice is a big factor in this type of car. Its meant to be a drivers car. If you want Auto definitely go for the ST3. If you want manual, go the normal ST.
It would be horrible to compromise if you want manual and get an auto for some extra goodies and regret it later.
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Buy a falcon... problem solved :P btw - she is my wife fellas haha
I think manual as well or wait for RS3 |
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Join Date: Jul 2021
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Thanks everyone for your comments.
![]() Firstly, 4DZILR.... I wanted to buy the supercharged V8 but you wouldn't let me have a better car than you. :P Secondly, I've been driving manual for over 15 years and I don't think I should succumb to an automatic now just to have all the options. I just don't understand why Ford would take out some of the extras in the older model ST just to place them in the ST3? Isn't that a kind of cop out? Top_Ghia I'll be keeping this car for a while. I want to enjoy it and I always have fun driving a manual car. I love hearing the pop tune and it isn't the same in an auto. Wow, so it's not a limited edition like I was told? Interesting. I wonder if Ford will bring out a new version RS? Now I'd definitely wait for that! lol ![]() |
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FoA have just offered a higher spec to Aussies. They havnt taken any spec off the current car, the current car we get in OZ is just a lower spec. Focus ST has always been. ST1 ST2 ST3 Aus delivered cars have always been a mix of ST2/3 This is just a higher spec car being offered. If it were me. I'd buy a manual ST, not the new one. As for RS. I think that's still born.
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Ford Aus did pull some spec out of the st. They pulled out the B&O strereo and a few other bits of fruit that originally came as standard. Then they put that fruit in the ST3. |
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I havnt checked specs. If it's not fitted to ST2 spec. Then they havnt I'd say ST3 the B+O would be standard in Europe. All FoA have done is bring in some ST3 spec cars
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Also comes down to price.
You will pick up a "standard" ST Manual cheaper than the newer "limited" St-3 Auto of course. If you don't really care about the extra bells and whistles i.e. adaptive headlights, heated electric seats HUD etc. and are more into just enjoying the manual performance save money-but resale may be less with more depriation! I have ordered the St-3 in magnetic for $50,000 as i prefer an auto for daily Melbourne traffic and like a "little" bit of comfort --and are patiently waiting delivery ![]() |
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Hi SOF14A I have a white MY2021 ST2 (actually built in Oct 2020) with the 7 speed auto & sun roof it also has the Digital dash gauges apparently Ford removed the 10 speaker audio, Electric seats so they could add the Digital dash & keep the cost the same as the Analog ST ( I think they change to digital gauges in about August 2020) not sure about that one! (mine does have the blind spot monitoring & the rear cross traffic alert) but anyhow imo the ST is awesome, tons of torque, the auto is really good for a conventional torque converter job it's changes are quick, not as fast as DCT but put it in sports mode & its almost as quick, I would also suggest more reliable in the long run, you do miss out on the crackles & pops of the manual, but this auto is in my opinion much easier to drive fast with the paddles or in normal auto- sport mode, I have had mine since Feb 2021 & love driving it every chance I get, its a rocket! you will enjoy which ever you decide for sure.
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In turbo cars, I much prefer a manual, if a AUTO is the only option, I would rather just get a on turbo. Turbos are much more fun IMO in a manual. I tried a Auto Golf R and hated it, sold it within a month.
I now just bought a 2013 Focus ST with really low Ks and hopefully it lives up to my expectations when it arrives from Melbourne. |
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I had a 2012 Focus ST, 2010 focus XR5 turbo and now a manual FG turbo. Being a manual it can be harder to keep on boost, whereas an auto isn't. That said, I'd still pick a manual 7 days out of 7. I did see somewhere that the manual MK4 Focus ST is actually faster than the Auto.
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It doesnt matter to me if the Auto is faster, they just aren't fun for me and I know everyone is different, but for me, a manual is all I will own until I get a bit older maybe and have to deal with traffic jams everyday, then maybe I might change to a Auto.
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I think the difference is I'm older probably a lot older but one thing for sure once a car nut always a car nut, I just enjoy a drive & always have, enjoy your ride whatever you decide on, I'm sure you will, cheers.
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Regardless I'd still pick the manual
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That's the thing about facts, you don't have to like them, it's just how it is, but I respect your affection for the manual you certainly get the bangs & pops that you don't in the auto. cheers.
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I just ordered the new FOCUS ST in a manual. I look forward to driving it as soon as it arrives! I'm pretty stocked! Should be fun. Thank you all for your input. ![]() ![]() |
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I could not be happier with it, can't wait to drive it whenever i can, it's just a truly fun car that puts a smile on your face!: |
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Go the ST-3. A Mountune air filter, 330 tune and springs and killer package. Well refined, tonnes of technology, awesome handling, especially for a FWD car.
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Sounds like this Mountune kit makes a very noticeable difference to the ST from what iv'e read on line, won't stress the driveline to much but i would think twice about the new 365 kit & the massive amount of torque it produces might just be a bit to much for long term reliability, I think the 330 is just right just like the 3 bears story,love to know what you think after a few months, cheers.
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I have had multiple enquiries wanting to buy my ST-3... might keep it, though when new RS3 arrives...
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I have some idiots around here that have the exhaust popping like stupid driving everyone up the wall, esp at night. if I was a Socialist I would be calling for such cars to be destroyed as well, within the Hoon Laws ! |
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