Covid 19 -

[Adamz Ghia]

This is a con and it’s remarkable how many people have swallowed the media driven bait hook line and sinker. 20,000 people in the US alone have died from influenza this season (so far) alone, while 3000 people have died from Covid 19 worldwide. Over 80% of people will experience only mild flu like symptoms, and the daily death rate it a tiny fraction of what Hep B is. And of all the deaths, those without pre existing conditions account for less than 1% of deaths.

I saw a post on BookFace and it’s very true, with the way we have fallen for and melted down over this con it’s no wonder they’d never tell us about aliens.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

This is a con and it’s remarkable how many people have swallowed the media driven bait hook line and sinker. 20,000 people in the US alone have died from influenza this season (so far) alone,

With no controls. What would the death toll be if we made no effort to control Covid-19?

Hint: look at Italy. Death toll is over 7% because it has exceeded their capacity to provide healthcare.

while 3000 people have died from Covid 19 worldwide.

More than double that actually.

Over 80% of people will experience only mild flu like symptoms, and the daily death rate it a tiny fraction of what Hep B is.

The mortality rate for Hep B is 0.0005%. About 7000x lower than Covid-19.

[XC-351]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

This is a con and it’s remarkable how many people have swallowed the media driven bait hook line and sinker. 20,000 people in the US alone have died from influenza this season (so far) alone, while 3000 people have died from Covid 19 worldwide. Over 80% of people will experience only mild flu like symptoms, and the daily death rate it a tiny fraction of what Hep B is. And of all the deaths, those without pre existing conditions account for less than 1% of deaths.

I saw a post on BookFace and it’s very true, with the way we have fallen for and melted down over this con it’s no wonder they’d never tell us about aliens.

How ridiculous, and its this type of thinking that will make this issue so much worse then it is, the fact the your not taking it seriously. "Media Driven Bait"? where did you get your facts from? The MEDIA...

You don't seriously believe the F1, Euro Cup, NBA were all postponed because of Media Hype, Multi Million Dollar industries postponing events because of a mild like flu?

We are being drip fed what we need to know at a slow rate to ease the panic and carnage thats about to unfold.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

This is a con and it’s remarkable how many people have swallowed the media driven bait hook line and sinker. 20,000 people in the US alone have died from influenza this season (so far) alone

Did you read that on the internet did you?

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

while 3000 people have died from Covid 19 worldwide.

This is what happens when the misinformed try to preach.

Get back into your burrow. Much safer for everyone else while you're in there.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

This is a con and it’s remarkable how many people have swallowed the media driven bait hook line and sinker. 20,000 people in the US alone have died from influenza this season (so far) alone, while 3000 people have died from Covid 19 worldwide. Over 80% of people will experience only mild flu like symptoms, and the daily death rate it a tiny fraction of what Hep B is. And of all the deaths, those without pre existing conditions account for less than 1% of deaths.

I saw a post on BookFace and it’s very true, with the way we have fallen for and melted down over this con it’s no wonder they’d never tell us about aliens.

Best comment in this thread so far. Media outlets like ABC and Channel 10 should lose their licence for peddling their fear porn, ABC particularly, but they'll use any opportunity to attack Morrison and the Liberal Government.

Given 80% of people who contract this virus will develop mind symptoms means its not the 'deadly virus' its made out to be.

It's the latte soy drinking left and those who use their mouths as garbage disposal units, drinking coffee, alcohol, smoking, eating junk food, following the Standard American/Australian Diet (SAD), popping pharmaceutical drugs in the belief it will make them healthy, they're the folk who are in the firing line. Yep, I'd be afraid too if I trashed my body and believed that a trip to the doctors will make be better. They're about to have a surprise of a lifetime if they catch Covid-19.

Given MSM refuse to report on any treatment of the current virus this clinical trial will be interesting to follow. Big Pharma have no interest in it, they cant patent something that grows naturally.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533

[cheap]

I think this is the message that needs to be sent out, and I just don't know why the powers haven't done so???

Re-assure people that there are plans to ensure that have enough oil to keep our country mobile.
Re-assure people that domestic gas supplies are secured.
Re-assure people that transport and supply chains are secured.
Re-assure people that water and electricity supplies are secure.
Re-assure people that we produce vast quantities of food, beer, and TP more than enough for our population many times over.

Importantly: Australia is self-sufficient for those important things we need.

That we have closed the borders so that we can prioritise dealing with our sick and we will get through this crisis.

Schools may be shut and we may ask people to quarantine for a short time.

Where possible we need everyone to keep working, to keep the wheels turning.

We are all doing it tough, so if your employer needs you to take holiday leave or long service leave, every bit helps.

I think this is the message that Australians want to hear and it would help abate most of the nonsense media panic.

[xxx000]

The idea of schools closing has been examined and is unlikely to happen.
Experience from elsewhere suggests that it has no benefit and provided schools make other changes like no assemblies etc then school can remain a safe place for kids.
Will be interesting to see how people react to so many things closing for extended periods. Perhaps we'll begin to question if the simpler life without it all is actually better.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by xxx000

The idea of schools closing has been examined and is unlikely to happen.
Experience from elsewhere suggests that it has no benefit and provided schools make other changes like no assemblies etc then school can remain a safe place for kids.
Will be interesting to see how people react to so many things closing for extended periods. Perhaps we'll begin to question if the simpler life without it all is actually better.

Experience from where? You are talking through your backside!

Exactly the opposite. This is a highly contagious virus, person to person transmission is very high, and school kids can easily be carriers.
The potential for family to the child to another child and then another family is very high.
China, Japan, Italy, South Korea, many parts of the EU - schools were amongst the first to close!
People want their kids safe in case you hadn't noticed.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by cheap

Experience from where? You are talking through your backside!

Exactly the opposite. This is a highly contagious virus, person to person transmission is very high, and school kids can easily be carriers.
The potential for family to the child to another child and then another family is very high.
China, Japan, Italy, South Korea, many parts of the EU - schools were amongst the first to close!
People want their kids safe in case you hadn't noticed.

The Chief Medical Officer has now provided advice to keep schools open.
I'll go with the advice of medical experts over an angry person on a car forum.
No PM arrived from you either i see

[cheap]

Originally Posted by xxx000

The Chief Medical Officer has now provided advice to keep schools open.
I'll go with the advice of medical experts over an angry person on a car forum.
No PM arrived from you either i see

The position will change soon enough.

500 becomes 100 becomes 10...

Just prolonging the inevitable.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by xxx000

The idea of schools closing has been examined and is unlikely to happen.
Experience from elsewhere suggests that it has no benefit and provided schools make other changes like no assemblies etc then school can remain a safe place for kids.
Will be interesting to see how people react to so many things closing for extended periods. Perhaps we'll begin to question if the simpler life without it all is actually better.

Well, many private schools in Victoria have closed or are closing down.
Teachers though will still be paid.

Here is a partial list;

• Ballarat Grammar, closed from Mar 17
• Lowther Hall Anglican Grammar School, closed Mar 17
• Melbourne Girls Grammar, closed from Mar 17
• St Leonard’s College, closed from Mar 17
• St Kevin's College, closed Mar 17-18
• Toorak Primary School, closed Mar 17
• Yarra Valley Grammar, closed from Mar 19
• Ivanhoe Grammar, closed from Mar 20
• Firbank and Brighton Grammar, closed by Mar 20
• Mount Evelyn Christian College, closed from Mar 23
• Xavier College, Haileybury, Scotch, all closed by Mar 23
• Geelong Grammar and Carey Grammar, already closed
• Caulfield Grammar, closed until April 20
• Haileybury
• Scotch College

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Well, many private schools in Victoria have closed or are closing down.
Teachers though will still be paid.

Here is a partial list;

• Ballarat Grammar, closed from Mar 17
• Lowther Hall Anglican Grammar School, closed Mar 17
• Melbourne Girls Grammar, closed from Mar 17
• St Leonard’s College, closed from Mar 17
• St Kevin's College, closed Mar 17-18
• Toorak Primary School, closed Mar 17
• Yarra Valley Grammar, closed from Mar 19
• Ivanhoe Grammar, closed from Mar 20
• Firbank and Brighton Grammar, closed by Mar 20
• Mount Evelyn Christian College, closed from Mar 23
• Xavier College, Haileybury, Scotch, all closed by Mar 23
• Geelong Grammar and Carey Grammar, already closed
• Caulfield Grammar, closed until April 20
• Haileybury
• Scotch College

All private schools - what about us state school plebs?

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

All private schools - what about us state school plebs?

Evidence from overseas suggests that the sending kid's home idea exposed many elderly who were the ones that most frequently cared for those kids not at school.
So as i stated above and made Cheap angry about, that policy has been reviewed and revised after that overseas experience.
Keeping kids going to school but with new strict guidelines is likely better to stop the spread to vulnerable people in the community.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Evidence from overseas suggests that the sending kid's home idea exposed many elderly who were the ones that most frequently cared for those kids not at school.
So as i stated above and made Cheap angry about, that policy has been reviewed and revised after that overseas experience.
Keeping kids going to school but with new strict guidelines is likely better to stop the spread to vulnerable people in the community.

Provide the evidence!

You've been on the wrong end of Coronaviris since it first started, first you said it was nothing to worry about just like Ebola, then you complained about facts being racist and now you're harping on about no need to close schools - total nonsense.

Give it a rest and go back to the Tesla thread!

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

All private schools - what about us state school plebs?

Why are you still at school? Pervert!

[Charliewool]

This is now more than just an “inconvenience”

“Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly has warned that up to 150,000 Australians could die from the coronavirus.

Professor Kelly today said the number of infections would be “somewhere in the range” of 20 per cent to 60 per cent of the population.

“This is an infectious disease,” he said from Canberra. “The more we can do to separate people and stop the disease spreading, the better. The death rate is around 1 per cent. You can do the maths.”

Under a best-case scenario, which would be a 20 per cent infection rate, he said around 50,000 people out of 5 million infected with the disease could die.

A moderate scenario would mean around 100,000 dead.”

[cheap]

GovCo is running through the numbers, it will come down to:

a) quarantine most the country for weeks/months and emerge with 95-99% of the population virus free

or

b) no quarantine and have 100% of the population with the virus

I think you may be able to work out which option. ScoMo is already socialising 6 months disruption.

This will mean only absolutely essential work will continue: defence force, groceries, pharmacies, supply transport, health care, electricity, water, sanitation, oil refining, telecommunications-internet, Netflix, etc. Everyone else stays home, and hopefully many can work from home.

GovCo will work out some sort of rostering system for people to essentials from the local supermarkets e.g surnames A-F on Monday. G-J on Tuesday and so on. Expect fuel rationing.

The economic impact is more than severe.

Some unanswered questions. Many people will have no income and no savings, how will people pay for food, mortgages, rents, car loans, water, electricity etc?
Maybe let people take 25% from their super accounts - who knows?

It will be difficult enough to bring the economy in with a soft landing, re-starting it will interesting.

[cheap]

One more thing, our GovCo and TrumpCo need to close the stock market for a few weeks and figure out the best recovery approach. The stock market aided by our doomsday media is nothing but an unnecessary distraction.

[Charliewool]

Just announced in Pura Vida land... (even though only 35 positives and no deaths, government is really taking a stance)

https://ticotimes.net/2020/03/16/cos...-non-residents

I can see this becoming the norm for every country?
The economy here is heavily tourism based... And we’re still in high season!
Going to be heaps hurting financially!

[marty351]

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[b0son]

The evidence (based on previous pandemics, especially 1918), and modelling, both suggest there are significant benefits to school closures. Schools are closing almost Europe-wide.

It's the UK that are going with the controversial idea of isolating the at-risk population and business as usual for everyone else. It's a largely untested idea and the evidence is anecdotal at best.

Evidence FOR school closures: https://www.educationnext.org/closin...public-health/

I dont know about you, but those graphs put up a pretty compelling argument IMO.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by b0son

The evidence (based on previous pandemics, especially 1918), and modelling, both suggest there are significant benefits to school closures. Schools are closing almost Europe-wide.

It's the UK that are going with the controversial idea of isolating the at-risk population and business as usual for everyone else. It's a largely untested idea and the evidence is anecdotal at best.

Evidence FOR school closures: https://www.educationnext.org/closin...public-health/

I dont know about you, but those graphs put up a pretty compelling argument IMO.

And to help portray a balanced view, evidence that supports NOT closing schools:

http://theconversation.com/australia...they-be-133432

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/o...l-closing.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...96f_story.html

And an article that presents both points of view:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/healt...xpert-c-747069

My take: the jury is out on the effectiveness of proactive closures. Seems to me that there is evidence that support both sides.

There's no doubt that reactive closures of schools will occur.

[Citroënbender]

Wearing my war medal, after a foray into Colesworths:

[b0son]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

http://theconversation.com/australia...they-be-133432

Presents no evidence closures are ineffective, simply a bunch of measures that should be employed if they're not. All the evidence provided was FOR clsoures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/o...l-closing.html

Relies on the assumption that kids arent vectors. We know they can get sick. We know it can be spread asymptomatically. It seems logical to assume kids can spread it while being mild or asymptomatic.

Also mentions that while they didnt reduce the number of infections, they did slow the spread of influenza - this is precisely what we are trying to achieve.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...96f_story.html

paywalled, so cant comment...

Seems to me that there is evidence that support both sides.

If you take the time to read your links, I think you'll find there was no actual evidence AGAINST presented.

There is an assumption (relied on by government) that if you close schools, kids go to the mall. This is where responsible parenting comes in. It's a flapping pandemic. You make sure the kids stay home, you make sure there are consequences to non-compliance. You give police the right to enforce those consequences.

[Fed]

What were the stock levels like CB, I have to do some hunting & gathering soon.
TP, bacon, eggs, meat & bread, just the normal manfood.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Fed

What were the stock levels like CB, I have to do some hunting & gathering soon.
TP, bacon, eggs, meat & bread, just the normal manfood.

Nil, good, good, decent and fair. Didn't check the tomato sauce, sorry.

I wonder how home brewing and still supplies are holding up? Lockdown Lager might be a goer.

[Bossxr8]

School holidays are getting very close. There's your 2 weeks quarantine for the kiddies.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

School holidays are getting very close. There's your 2 weeks quarantine for the kiddies.

Every day makes a huge difference to the final infection count, when you have exponential growth.

[BENT_8]

School holidays are a month away (9/4) and we in SA jumped by 50% positive cases in the last 24hrs, if what im hearing is anywhere near accurate, they'll be ramping up closures within the fortnight.
I wouldn't be surprised to see schools close for 4 weeks to begin with and then reassessed.
Children from my kids school are being sent home if they sneeze even once.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

School holidays are getting very close. There's your 2 weeks quarantine for the kiddies.

I'm wondering if that's what they are hoping for - drag things out as long as possible to get to the holidays.

Some private schools get 3 weeks.