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FG XR6T trayback
Join Date: Jan 2007
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From the Drive.com.au site tonight
quote: " Glenn Butler, drive.com.au, 13/08/07 A Ford engine plant closure in Canada has forced Ford Australia to end production of the V8-powered Fairmont Ghia, Fairlane and LTD, reports GLENN BUTLER. Ford Fairlane G8 Ford Australia has announced it will no longer offer a V8 engine option in any locally built sedans, wagons or utes outside its sports-oriented XR range. The decision to drop the three-valve 5.4-litre V8 engine from the Fairmont Ghia, the Fairlane G220/G8 and the LTD was not a hard one, says Ford boss Tom Gorman. "We were selling 10 a month. We're not talking big numbers here." Ford has referred to this engine as the Barra 220 and the Barra 230 in recent years. The move to drop V8-powered Falcons will no doubt have some Ford fans on edge, given the negative publicity Ford endured throughout much of the 1980s by not offering a V8 across its range. However, Ford points out that this time around the V8 shake-up is very different, because it will still offer some V8s on its sports-oriented models. The four-valve 5.4-litre engine offered in the XR8 is not affected. It makes the Falcon XR8 sedan and ute the only V8 models in Ford's entire line-up. FPV models are not affected. Ford Australia's hand was forced by the closure of Ford's Essex engine plant in Windsor where the three-valve 5.4-litre V8 was produced. Gorman says Ford Australia has stockpiled the engine to ensure it has enough to meet demand up until the arrival or Orion in the first-quarter of 2008. " |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Melb.
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Maybe if the Barra 220/230 actually put out more power then the XR6T then more then 10 per month would have been sold. When the stock "base" Holden V8 is 270kw what exactly does Ford expect....it should have been at least at the power output of the turbo or slightly higher to have been competitive.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Northern Sydney
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By the sounds of it Ford Aus have stockpiled enough parts for the Boss 260 and 290 to continue, but I guess this also means that Orion will introduce a new V8 - probably the 6.2L Boss edition coming out in 2008.
This is also bad news for the Australian assembly of a v8 going forward. |
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P6 LTD
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Perth
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Pardon my ignorance but don't theBoss and 3V use the same bottom end? Thus reinforcing what has been said ^^^^ .
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03 GHIA V8
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SA, Southern Suburbs
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Last time i looked, Yes
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IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
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The 3V was always gonna be dropped. This descision was made long before the announcement of the closure of the engine plant.
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Get EcoBoosted
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NSW: Newcastle, Sydney & Wollongong
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Why did they bother with it? It was useless in the first place! /rolls eyes
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Look at the amount of Berlinas, Calais and Statesmen / Caprices Holdens sell with the V8. Id take a guess that atleast 50% of Calais and Caprice models have the V8 fitted...
Ford needs to sort itself soon...
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I'd place it on the fact that they needed a motor for these models so this one would do the job. Bringng in a motor already designed and all the engineers need to do is to get it to run in the car is alot cheaper then designing the motor from scratch like how the BOSS motors were done. |
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5.4L 3V V8
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Mine isnt useless mate,maybe in stock form they are lack lustre but things liven up a fair bit with mods. A stock xr8 or gt feel fairly "useless" compared to my 3V. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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not that many people buy cars just to mod and even then modded vs modded the 3V is behind, sad to see it go but fair point it didnt sell and didnt have what it took against the rivals, plus side tho it may make the previous base falcons with v8's hold their value a little better? im worried about there being no v8 option on the fairmont/ghia's! BF ghia v8 :sm_drool: |
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I wouldn't go hoping for better resale on 3Vs because of it though. It's not like base model V8 AUs are earning good money nowadays compared to their XR8 bretheren. And I was offered a paultry $2000 trade in on my modded 5 litre EF Gli when I bought my BA. Suffice to say I didn't trade it in. Maybe there will be a turbo Fairmont Ghia to replace the 3V :sm_drool: Quote:
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1999 Ford Fairmont Ghia
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NSW
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Hold on isn't the BOSS just a 3 valve with a DOHC top end on it??
So are they still making 5.4L Modular in America??? I'm pretty sure the only other Modular plant is the Romeo, Michigan one but I think that makes 4.6L for the Mustang and Crown Victoria. Isn't Ford NA's entire SUV and Pickup range based on the 3 valve V8?? Does this mean the Windsor plant is being retooled???? |
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P6 LTD
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Perth
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Also, does this mean that in 20 years time, people will be clamouring all over themselves to get a late 2007 V8 Falcon, Fairmont, Fairlane and LTD?????
Read - August 1982 XE Fairmont?? last of the V8 Falcons? hmmm, I think not! |
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1999 Ford Fairmont Ghia
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NSW
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No we still have the BOSS so it wont really go up in value.
It's like people clammering to get the Cleveland 302 powred XY's........not going to happen. |
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Rockin '67
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Adelaide
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The 3V V8 isn't dead.....it's just resting.
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5.4L 3V V8
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How was that touchy? Im just stating the facts,I did say they are fairly poor in stock form,but in my opinion so are gt's and xr8's. Arnt you considering buying a 3V ghia? And you did start a thread about modding 3V's in the ACE section last week. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Stating facts are great and the fact is the 3V doesnt cut it. records, figures and sales prove this. yes am considering buying a 3V ghia(mainly for luxury and presence) but that doesnt make them any better performance wise in comparison to a ls1/2 or boss. they are still numero 2. |
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5.4L 3V V8
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Where in this thread did i compare a 3V to a ls1/ls2 or a boss???? I merely said all three cars (3v's,gt's,xr8's) when stock arnt that impressive. The bloke I was refering to said 3V's were useless,in my opinion they are not. I wouldnt go wasting your money on a 3V if your opinion of them is so low. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Well at least changing the spark plugs will be easier.
![]() I dont think it will be missed, maybe the just wanted the 290 and 260 quad cammers to be a little bit more exclusive (to justify the higher price) ???
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Boys easy on the 3v 5.4ltr bagging(YEP IVE GOT ONE),have you guys driven the boss and 3v back to back?You cant tell me the 3v hasn't got more balls down low,Poor in stock form compared to what?,You say its a waste of time,the 4.6/5.4ltr engines are the ducks nuts in the states,and powers the biggest selling commercials in the worlds largest market ,cant be too bad eh !,where do you get your sales figures from?
Food for thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Regular Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Geelong
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With what I have experienced, I have found that a 3v 5 speed compared to a 4v 4speed auto, the 3v has much better performance and low down torque.
But maybe thats just me... I think the 3v is a smoother engine. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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better low down response yes worth comparing no. the 3v would gets left like its standing still once the tacho passes 3000rpm. |
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5.4L 3V V8
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It will be sad to se the 3V go, but hey, if it is replaced with something better then who cares,sounds as if all the modular motors will be gone by 2010 anyway,in the end the 4V modulars will have only survived two more years then the 3V.
Pushrods here we come. |
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GetBlown or GetBlown Away
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Professional Mouse Jockey
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I'm not saying that a Boss or a late model LS1 won't blow my 3V away, 'cause it will. And if I had the money to buy a GT I would (dunno about an XR8. Not bagging them, just that I dont know if it's enough of a step up). But for my driving style in everyday driving conditions the 3V is a great drive. Plus I'm a sucker for a plain jane base model Falcon powered by a V8. My last car was a 5 litre EF Gli lol. Just on a side note, I took a work mate for a spin in my BA on the test drive before I bought it. So it was bog stock, 4spd auto with a tight 6000kms on the clock. He said it has more go than his 4spd auto GenIII VT SS with a cat back exhaust. So apples against apples they aren't that bad an engine. And once I had the exhaust done it unlocked a crap load more low and mid range poke. Still doesn't go really hard up top though. Anyway, this isn't what this threads about. It's not a Boss vs 3V pi$$ing contest..
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5.4L 3V V8
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Cheers mate, I can thank Craig@ACE for getting the exhaust custom built by Di Fillipo. |
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5.4L 3V V8
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JAYBA doesnt seem to think much of the old 3V, but for some reason he wants to buy one??????????? |
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ford3v i have an xt 3v and when looking to get a set of headers put on an exhaust shop told me that he put some on a boss and put it on a dyno before and after and it made 2kw and when my car was stock i was all over a 255 ls1.ive got a flash tuner and a cai from a.c.e since then and what a difference induction sounds awsome.soon to have defilippo headers and cats cant wait.
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