Ambitious China

[FTE217]

Polyal, have you experienced any coporate meetings with Chinese companies ?
Yes there is a way to deal on every subject and at times the type of people, some jump due to being aggro some don't. CCP are a jeckle and hyde.
They wish to come over to the owrld they are being diplomatic but in the background they'd like to run you over full stop.
Now I'm sure politically it all has to be this diplomatic front face wise - then how things are expressed through the media is another thing, its how the MSM express it right ?
How thats interpreted is another question.
Consider the CCP, they run their media AND I'm sure they provide the memo to their Foreign Diplomats what and how to express getting their POV over.....
I am glad somewhere sometime some western pollies say what most are afraid to say be it towards CCP or otherwise. (I'm no Trump luver personality wise BUT I did like he said NO to them or at least passed on resistance))
If theres a price to pay its one that was coming sooner or later anyway, nothing last forever.

Smart companies long before CV were starting to make their shift out of China, maybe not 100% but say 50% for eg.
Pricing has picked up substantially the last 5yrs or so.
I know of companies who have already re located ie Vietnam for eg 2yrs ago.
Companies like mine have started re sourcing from other Factories a portion of our business.....
Its very time comsuming making a full shift bu we shall leave a portion there - I expect many will also.
The ones who will have concerns is those having all their eggs in the one basket, we've warned many we know to be very wary, more price hikes are coming, stay at your own peril for in time your product will not be competitve.
I won't even consider going back there once its safer to travel, (normally 5-8times a year)for you can't trust what memo they'll send to airport customs who to either not allow in or worse not let you out.
I'd sooner our Gov look to grow some new business links, ther eis plenty were not doing business with, a lesson I learnt from a very wise successful self made businessmen, the small fish taste sweetest.
Sure milk what we can get from the CCP but lets be more pro active, we've sat back due to geography and size/demands, spread our wings more.

[Citroënbender]

The favouring of “hostage diplomacy” is one tack I really disapprove of. It’s primitive and cowardly. I don’t blame you for being unwilling to return.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

The favouring of “hostage diplomacy” is one tack I really disapprove of. It’s primitive and cowardly. I don’t blame you for being unwilling to return.

The canadians they arrested, as payback for canada arresting that huawei exec on espionage charges, would agree entirely.

[MITCHAY]

They have put tariffs of up to 212%+ on Aussie wine now.

I can't believe they can hold a straight face with this dumping or quality control BS that they have used as excuses.

About time to put one on the mouth of these ****s. That's how you deal with bullies

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

They have put tariffs of up to 212%+ on Aussie wine now.

I can't believe they can hold a straight face with this dumping or quality control BS that they have used as excuses.

About time to put one on the mouth of these ****s. That's how you deal with bullies

Export it in 2.1L 'containers' and bottle it there ?

'Temporary duties ranging from 107.1 per cent to 212.1 per cent will be implemented on Australian wine imports in 2L containers or less from Saturday'

Bring on a united front from every other country and start 'shoving' back

[Trevor 57]

We need to threaten tariffs our steel and our milk - **** 'em, the ****ing bullies

[Mr_G6ET]

Fudge, didn't do it well, intended to quote Trevor.

Google is littered with China to Australia export and not the other way around.
The (pug) dog in nibbling my toes to throw the toy so a detailed and extended search is not without pain.

What does China need from us, cut that **** off !

[MITCHAY]

The funny thing is we just signed yet another trade agreement that includes China

We alone probably can't do a lot on Chinese imports but a bloc of countries could put some dent.

There is the nuclear option with iron ore but this is really the only card we have and you need to play it right and there would also be a price to pay for it.

If the government would compensate our exporters I would be OK with this but it relies on them buckling because they can't source enough elsewhere. It is a lot of ****en money for Aussie economy.

I would fully expect that the US knows this too and would leverage it if and when the time comes.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

The funny thing is we just signed yet another trade agreement that includes China ...... .

Truth is it will never be 'black and white', hopefully we get to the point is that we need each other.
In all reality it will be like a decade before we can globally replace China supply and demand.

[MITCHAY]

Yes that is the one advantage a dictatorship has. No election cycle to worry about and what's worse they use our media to spread influence here while censoring their own.

One of their grievances is unfriendly media coverage. Someone should tell them we have a free press..

I can't believe the amount of Aussies that think we are actually the bad guys here. What a hit job the CCP have done

[Bossxr8]

China are the worlds worst dumpers. With the ccp giving money to companies to sell products under cost to destroy competitors.

[ThaFlash]

CANZUK (new super power and new world order booohahahah)

send in the SAS-R legends badaboombadabing!

[nstg8a]

So what do the Chinese apologists say about this?

[T3rminator]

Some interesting comments from subscribers......

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia...30-p56j4p.html

This tit for tat is about to get a whole lot uglier. They have openly said they are coming after our human rights record, namely treatment of refugees and the indigenous community.

The problem is, China's human rights record has been laid bare for all to see, so really, there is nothing that is going to shock the international community. But we may have a few skeletons we want to keep in the closet. A propaganda war is going to get very very ugly for both sides. IMHO.

I also think its a slight over-reaction. PM was probably better to have just said a few words, then deal with it in private. Instead, he has drawn everyone's attention to the tweet. Its just a dumb *** tweet. Twitter hasn't blocked it either.

Once again, diplomacy through the media is probably not the best option.

I see Russia has joined the chorus. We are playing in the big league now, better get used to it.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I also think its a slight over-reaction. PM was probably better to have just said a few words, then deal with it in private. Instead, he has drawn everyone's attention to the tweet. Its just a dumb *** tweet. Twitter hasn't blocked it either.

Maybe an over reaction if it was just another nondescript tweet from China, but this was from China's Foreign Ministry spokesman, who is supposed to be a Diplomat!

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I also think its a slight over-reaction. PM was probably better to have just said a few words, then deal with it in private. Instead, he has drawn everyone's attention to the tweet. Its just a dumb *** tweet. Twitter hasn't blocked it either.

are you serious? whos SIDE ARE YOU ON?

grow a back bone!

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Some interesting comments from subscribers......

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia...30-p56j4p.html

This tit for tat is about to get a whole lot uglier. They have openly said they are coming after our human rights record, namely treatment of refugees and the indigenous community.

The problem is, China's human rights record has been laid bare for all to see, so really, there is nothing that is going to shock the international community. But we may have a few skeletons we want to keep in the closet. A propaganda war is going to get very very ugly for both sides. IMHO.

I also think its a slight over-reaction. PM was probably better to have just said a few words, then deal with it in private. Instead, he has drawn everyone's attention to the tweet. Its just a dumb *** tweet. Twitter hasn't blocked it either.

Once again, diplomacy through the media is probably not the best option.

I see Russia has joined the chorus. We are playing in the big league now, better get used to it.

I applaud our PM for his reaction and my reaction to China is F*** them if they want to play dirty and show their real colours.
They are just hypocrites!

[Citroënbender]

Unfortunately I fear people in government here and elsewhere are being sucked into Trumpian politics; “me vs you” type adversarial exchanges with added childish petulance.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Unfortunately I fear people in government here and elsewhere are being sucked into Trumpian politics; “me vs you” type adversarial exchanges with added childish petulance.

I knew my opinion would trigger a few, as it has previously on this topic. I disagree with the PM's tactic and suddenly its "pick a side". It is amusing avid Trumpians come on sprouting about "sides". You know, MAGA, make another country great again. Hows that working out for AUSTRALIANs?

Like I said, we are in the big league now. Time to use our brain. Another article, and again, the comments........ Maybe all chinese bots.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia....html#comments

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Its just a dumb *** tweet. .

There’s nothing really wrong with the wording, it’s the imagery they’ve created and the fact that it wasn’t posted by some lowly Chinese public servant.

Make no mistake, this is a pretty big escalation.

[Sprintey]

Citroenbender, re the 10 to 15 year view: if we want a strategy for normal people - take one of their imported products, have a good look at it/the market for it, work out a way to make it cheaper and distribute/market better, then eat their lunch producing it locally. This is not impossible though it may have to be automated.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Citroenbender, re the 10 to 15 year view: if we want a strategy for normal people - take one of their imported products, have a good look at it/the market for it, work out a way to make it cheaper and distribute/market better, then eat their lunch producing it locally. This is not impossible though it may have to be automated.

I don't think we will ever be able to make something cheaper than China.

We may be able to make it to a higher specification, or a finer tolerance, or something unique to our lands but I don't think it would ever be cheaper.

Depending on what list you look at - be in income, buying power etc.

Australia is on average anywhere between USD $51k and $54k pa.

China is on average anywhere between USD $11k and $17k pa.

I bet they don't have to abide by the same laws and standards we give our workers etc.

When you have workers willing to earn 1/5 to 1/3 of our wage, who are happy to work 14 hours a day with a 30 minute break 7 days a week while living on the site of the facility sleeping 10 to a room we have no chance to compete with that.

It saddens me that we can ship raw materials there, they can then ship back a finished product and still sell it for much much less than we could ever possibly make it here.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I don't think we will ever be able to make something cheaper than China.

We may be able to make it to a higher specification, or a finer tolerance, or something unique to our lands but I don't think it would ever be cheaper.

Depending on what list you look at - be in income, buying power etc.

Australia is on average anywhere between USD $51k and $54k pa.

China is on average anywhere between USD $11k and $17k pa.

I bet they don't have to abide by the same laws and standards we give our workers etc.

When you have workers willing to earn 1/5 to 1/3 of our wage, who are happy to work 14 hours a day with a 30 minute break 7 days a week while living on the site of the facility sleeping 10 to a room we have no chance to compete with that.

It saddens me that we can ship raw materials there, they can then ship back a finished product and still sell it for much much less than we could ever possibly make it here.

i don,t think your getting the point mate, the way things are headed, its come down to sovereignty.

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

So what do the Chinese apologists say about this?

image

As others have said, the text is not controversial- the picture is demeaning- of China- given the context.

The rest of the world sees that yes- Australia is accountable, that is why we had the Brereton INQUIRY- and gave transparent findings. China does not understand the word Inquiry- or should that be Covid 19 Inquiry.

And yes- Australia will hold the offending soldiers accountable, following due process and procedurally just trials. Something again China could learn from- our procedurally fair institutions.

But this insensitive created image from the highest levels of Chinese government is a serious escalation make no mistake.

I also think Australia has to draw I line in the sand- fundamental issues of independence of Australia, things like imposing controls on foreign ownership of strategic purchases in Australia, and banning of foreign owned telco rolling out strategic information networks like 5g and Huawei, (some of Chinas grievances ) and if we sell out now for the quick dollar and to avoid immediate pain, we will be selling out our children and grandchildrens futures in Australia.

[superyob]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54277430

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-...-says/11219144

[MITCHAY]

I won't be taking any lectures from China and Russia about human rights. That's really taking the ****.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I won't be taking any lectures from China and Russia about human rights. That's really taking the ****.

You don't have to. But that's not the name of the game. The message is not targeting Australians or its close allies. They are trying to discredit us in the eyes of those sitting on the fence (think Pacific Islands and ASEAN) and will probably use it as propaganda with our "enemies".

Really, is it that different to some of the stuff that comes out of Trump and Pompeo? They are playing the same game. Don't fall for it!

Scotty needs hire a some tactical specialists to deal with this situation. I don't like the sounds of getting into information warfare with Russia and China.

[Pis-ton broke]

i've seen the doctored picture of an Australian soldier cutting the child's throat, personally to me, the picture is very offensive. and to have a once great nation china post this from a ccp authority is disrespectful.
i,m not going to say anything else, cause this gets me hot under collar.

once again i say t3, whos side are you on, yes there is a side, cause that's the way its all turning out, i,m not going to get sucked into your semantics.

[Citroënbender]

I am disappointed in Twitter, it’s not helping perceptions of a double standard.

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I am disappointed in Twitter, it’s not helping perceptions of a double standard.

CB trust me you can get through life just fine without twatter, sometimes the less you know is better.