Whats the best Direction

[photn]

so...

Was just reading FFOC.co.uk and considering that im not going to pay to be able to POST, i thought it best to start a convo on here and hope to god thouse who actually do pay know what im on about

Whats the best route to go down when say modding an ST170

Okay so far from what iver read on FFOC
for NA mods are:

Panel Filter = $60us
Underdrive Pulley = $110us
Throttlebody = $400us
full exhaust system? $1200us
Dreamscience and a custom tune = $700us
i read someware about an exhaust camgear but not sure if that applies to the ST170 as it has VVT?

200-210hp = $2470US


but then there is the Forced Induction side.

Powerworks Supercharger Kit = 270hp for say 6-7g installed



so what are you views and points on this.

Dont give me FI for the sake of going FI.

i want to know whats viably possible and best bang for your buck

[mitch_lx]

From what i have read about ST170's they are a nicely balanced car (handling wise)

There is something about a high reving NA car that attracts me. I have never driven an ST170 nor do i act as though i know alot about them.

But in my limited experience with naturally aspirated cars, spending the money can sometimes not be worth the limited results.

If it were me, i probably wouldnt turbocharge or supercharge a car which wasnt designed to handle it from the factory.

2,400 is alot to spend on a few kw and very possibly loss of low rpm driveability.

6-7 thousand is an silly amount of money to spend on a car, because you will then have to think about all the other components and whether they can stand the extra poke. Brakes, gearbox, clutch, engine etc

[photn]

See thats what im weighing up.. supercharge and you get all nice power and that. but what would the strain be on the engine and how would it affect other parts of the car.

or go NA and get a less power but spend about half.

Mitch. the ST170 has VVT, and you cant change the cams on ST170 due to the VVT. FYI.

[mitch_lx]

Maybe i should go ahead and throw a spanner in the works.

Have you considered looking for a VTI-R Honda Civic?

The coupes look absolutely stunning, they are well built and the motors will last forever.

Hundreds of parts are available for them and an exhaust and airfilter will get you quite a fast little car

[Piotr]

Well step 1 would be buy the car wouldn't it?

A good person to talk to would be Marc (BlueSt170). He has done a few mods to his ST170 and it goes very well around Wakefield.

Focus RS bodykit = ~$3000
Focus RS manifold = $550
JJR 280Turbo = $650
Other Stuff = $????
Having a Focus RS replica = Priceless

[photn]

Thanks mitch. but id love to stay FORD

[whippet_zetec]

if you are looking at all those mods why not just jimmy up the cash for the XR5T?? make a bit more sense to me that getting an ST170 thats probably been well used and then spending a bomb of cash modding it up to something that will still be well below the XR5T overall performance (not just power, but handling, ongoing mechanical issues).

[photn]

Link

And Pie that has me thinking lolz.

[melbzetec]

Personally, wouldn't bother with Panel Filter, underdrive pulley or throttle body. Maybe exhaust, but don't change header....it''s a Cosworth design and I haven't heard of anything better. Therefore I just saved you $1k

Dreamscience tune would be worth the money and will wake it up further. A really good N/A car

If you want insane power, but very driveable (ie no turbo lag), then go straight to Powerworks. Probably best bang for the buck.

Then a respray in a different colour to be totally unique!!!!

[FRA]

Go Here
http://www.focussport.com/supercharger.htm
$2,999.95US for Zetec only manual and auto only. 220 hp at 7000 RPM at the wheels
180 lb-ft of torque at 4500 RPM at the wheels.

$4,500.00US for SVT/St170. 251 bhp at 7000 RPM, and 210 pound per feet of torque on the engine dyno.

The Zetec has alot more engine mod's then what the SVT has.
31Hp less then the SVT and a saving of $1504.05US for this kit.

What I am trying to say is don't waste your time with the SVT and get an Zetec and get the FR CNC'D head and Stage 3 cams with the supercharger kit it'll be a total monster.

[photn]

True it will be a total monster.. but completely undrivable.

[FRA]

It won't be that bad to drive.
For the same price as a 2nd hand SVT you can buy a new Focus Duratec 05-06 model and mod it with all Cosworth parts.
It'll make the XR5 look like a skirt I kid you not, I have seen the dyno read out for the 2.3L Duratec in my Cosworth book when I brought the header.
Cosworth have made alot of 2.0L engine parts as well.
XR5 $36,490 plus on the road and the CL RRP from $19,990 and the LX RRP from $23,990 Plus on road cost.
My point is
your saving yourself "AROUND" $10,000 to $15,000 over the XR5 and all the money you have saved you can buy all the parts you need and you still have change left over.

[photn]

well i dont have 35g to spend.

hence why i was talking about the st170 which is about 20g then slowly modding

[Blue_ST170]

I don’t know about the big mods but in my opinion the ST170 is such a beautifully balanced car that I wouldn’t go overpowering it.

At the moment ive got a Bluefin stage 2, k&n panel filter, custom extractors and a high flow cat. It gives it around 200hp and I wouldn’t want to much more because overpower the front wheels.

Also done ebc turbo rotors and new pads and got our race mechanics to fiddle with the suspension adding a bit of camber and a few other things.

The only other mods I would do is a suspension upgrade and an exhaust because in the end its still a road car for me.

Anyway I’m selling my car as my new one arrives this month. After 23 grand with all the mods or 24 and ill throw in a Supersprint exhaust and $500 free servicing. Its only done 36,000km and has a full service history.

........anyway pm me if u want to know anything else or if u wanna come drive the car

[melbzetec]

Originally Posted by photn

Mitch. the ST170 has VVT, and you cant change the cams on ST170 due to the VVT. FYI.

Sorry Sean, you can actually use a Camgear on the exhaust cam on an ST170

[#Russ#Es#]

Originally Posted by photn

well i dont have 35g to spend.

hence why i was talking about the st170 which is about 20g then slowly modding

A secondhand LS Focus could easily be had for under $20,000, especially with the update that has just come out.

An LX with $3000-5000 worth of engine mods and you have a very interesting car!

(P.S. The LS sedans look better though _2: )