Slipping auto

RG · 27-03-2007, 12:01 PM

The auto in the XR is slipping, only when the car is cold and it only does it once a day. What do you guys reckon? serviceable or go the rebuild (which I should but don't have the $$$ for atm) And could someone remind me why I bought a damn auto

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james22 · 27-03-2007, 12:11 PM

Probably serviceable, when was the last time you done it? And as for why you bought an auto, I dunno you silly bugger. Manuals are so much more fun & $800 for a clutch vs $1500+ for an auto rebuild.

james22 · 27-03-2007, 12:12 PM

P.S, Have you thought about converting to manual? You could do it for a similar price to a rebuild couldn't you? Or would you prefer your auto?

RG · 27-03-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by james22

P.S, Have you thought about converting to manual? You could do it for a similar price to a rebuild couldn't you? Or would you prefer your auto?

If it comes to a rebuild there will be serious consideration given to a conversion. The auto can be good around town but there is just not enough fun in it when I want to get up it. And as for servicing, I wouldn't have a clue when it was last taken to a pro. I have done a couple of filter changes and thrown in the 4 odd litres the pan takes but as for a full flush I haven't a clue. Come to think of it last time I used penrite stuff (don't worry it is the stuff for the BTR) but all other times i've used castrol and never had this problem. Could it be the penrite stuff?

james22 · 27-03-2007, 12:56 PM

I doubt the penrite lubricant is causing it, I have heard good things about it. But then again I don't know much about BTR's...

b2tf · 27-03-2007, 01:01 PM

Russ penrite oil is good stuff so I wouldnt worry too much about having it in there.

Im wondering if the events of a few sundays ago could have anything to do with it...

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RG · 27-03-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Russ penrite oil is good stuff so I wouldnt worry too much about having it in there.

Im wondering if the events of a few sundays ago could have anything to do with it...

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Maybe...

: I wonder if that half a plastic cog I found on top of the filter really was an issue.

AU2PWR · 27-03-2007, 01:36 PM

lol Maybe that Manual Changeover is sooner than you think

RG · 27-03-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AU2PWR

lol Maybe that Manual Changeover is sooner than you think

I'd have to find one first. Where's Whoosha's car?

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JC · 27-03-2007, 02:07 PM

Sounds like low fluid problem to me, but could also be one of the external plugs/solenoids. Mine was not changing gear properly, and I took it to my local transmission place (TTBS). The guy took it for a hit around the block and couldn't find anything wrong with it. So I took him for a spin and managed to get the thing to slip on the last of an 8km "trip". He put it up on the hoist, pulled out the electrical connectors to the box, gave them a blow with compressed air, and a squirt of RP7 and it's never done it again. Total cost = NIL. Good blokes at TTBS.

If you're lucky it will be one of the above.

If not, and you decide to get a rebuild done, get them to install the same valve body/solenoid for 1st gear as used in the T3 autos, and then you can get ESS hooked up and working off the steering wheel controls.

Gambit · 27-03-2007, 04:54 PM

How would a standard t5 from an xr8 handle the torque your motor has? Ford used a different box behind the 5.6l in the T3/Pursuit 250's for that reason.

RG · 27-03-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambit

How would a standard t5 from an xr8 handle the torque your motor has? Ford used a different box behind the 5.6l in the T3/Pursuit 250's for that reason.

That's why I'd be after one from a T3. Probably be too hard to get a hold of though.

GK · 27-03-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Sounds like low fluid problem to me, but could also be one of the external plugs/solenoids. Mine was not changing gear properly, and I took it to my local transmission place (TTBS). The guy took it for a hit around the block and couldn't find anything wrong with it. So I took him for a spin and managed to get the thing to slip on the last of an 8km "trip". He put it up on the hoist, pulled out the electrical connectors to the box, gave them a blow with compressed air, and a squirt of RP7 and it's never done it again. Total cost = NIL. Good blokes at TTBS.

If you're lucky it will be one of the above.

If not, and you decide to get a rebuild done, get them to install the same valve body/solenoid for 1st gear as used in the T3 autos, and then you can get ESS hooked up and working off the steering wheel controls.

That's handy info JC! I think I'll pull the electrical connectors first, use a bit of RP7 and see if there's any change in my dodgy changes.

If no joy, I'll head to fluidrive next week when school holidays start!

Cheers,

GK

JoesAu · 27-03-2007, 06:30 PM

my car used to do that but i got it serviced and put a tranns cooler on it seems to be ok now. mine did when it was very cold as wel i'e first 300-400 meters of driving for the first time on the day. It still shifts weird sometimes, hard then spot on smooth, im gonna spray the connectors see if it does anything.

OzJavelin · 27-03-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by james22

Probably serviceable, when was the last time you done it? And as for why you bought an auto, I dunno you silly bugger. Manuals are so much more fun & $800 for a clutch vs $1500+ for an auto rebuild.

One reason is 2300kg towing as opposed to 1600kg towing ... if you are that way inclined

RG · 27-03-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

One reason is 2300kg towing as opposed to 1600kg towing ... if you are that way inclined

I do have the 2300kg tow pack.

JC · 27-03-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

One reason is 2300kg towing as opposed to 1600kg towing ... if you are that way inclined

You mean 2300kg vs 1200 kg. The toiw bar may be rated at 1600kg, but the clutch etc is only rated to tow 1200kg. Page 42 of the handbook (or thereabouts).

james22 · 28-03-2007, 08:19 AM

I've towed way more than 1200kg in the manual, car handled it fine. Except for the braking part that was scary (trailer decided to try and shunt me onto the hwy).

OzJavelin · 28-03-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by james22

I've towed way more than 1200kg in the manual, car handled it fine. Except for the braking part that was scary (trailer decided to try and shunt me onto the hwy).

.. and I've towed more than 2300kg with my auto too. But back to the topic .. JC sounds on the ball (as usual); fluid or solenoids.

**Mechan1k** · 28-03-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by james22

I've towed way more than 1200kg in the manual, car handled it fine. Except for the braking part that was scary (trailer decided to try and shunt me onto the hwy).

I guess that's because there was no electronic brake controller in the car at the time ... you're lucky you pulled it up in time ... otherwise if in an accident ... you would have had no insurance.

james22 · 28-03-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

I guess that's because there was no electronic brake controller in the car at the time ... you're lucky you pulled it up in time ... otherwise if in an accident ... you would have had no insurance.

Sorry redxr347 for taking off topic.

Mechan1k, yeah I realise. It literally scared the crap outta me. Nearly pushed me in front of a semi. I soon realised to brake earlier and more gently. It all happened in the last few metres of braking. The trailer sort of pushed the car / kinked it sideways as it pulled up. Lesson learnt + new undies

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**Mechan1k** · 28-03-2007, 10:11 AM

I know it's an awful feeling ... had a similar feeling in the ute ... except when I had to pull up quick and the brakes locked up on the ute ... and the load behind pushed you even quicker ... Holy crap indeed.

Definitely nice easy and early braking when towing ... hee hee

Oh ... and when it comes to the topic ... I suggest a basic auto service first .. especially after the skid pan day as that may have caused your trans fluid to have gone off a bit (ie: slightly burnt).

RG · 28-03-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

I know it's an awful feeling ... had a similar feeling in the ute ... except when I had to pull up quick and the brakes locked up on the ute ... and the load behind pushed you even quicker ... Holy crap indeed.

Definitely nice easy and early braking when towing ... hee hee

Oh ... and when it comes to the topic ... I suggest a basic auto service first .. especially after the skid pan day as that may have caused your trans fluid to have gone off a bit (ie: slightly burnt).

I've changed the oil in the pan but I think I may get a full flush done.

**Mechan1k** · 28-03-2007, 10:40 AM

Might be an idea ... as a lot of it still stays in the converter ... and in the trans cooler as well. There's a good tutorial on it somewhere ... Jonydep wrote one up on this.

RG · 28-03-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Might be an idea ... as a lot of it still stays in the converter ... and in the trans cooler as well. There's a good tutorial on it somewhere ... Jonydep wrote one up on this.

Any idea on where. FFAU or AUFalcon.com

**Mechan1k** · 28-03-2007, 11:53 AM

I'll dig it up ... was for the I6 version ... but should be similar to the 8 setup.

Is on AFF ... I think in the Falcons section in Contemporary ... I'll dig it up.

**Mechan1k** · 28-03-2007, 11:54 AM

Here it is:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...atic+servicing

RG · 28-03-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Here it is:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...atic+servicing

Thanks mate, very helpful.

GK · 31-03-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JC

Sounds like low fluid problem to me, but could also be one of the external plugs/solenoids. Mine was not changing gear properly, and I took it to my local transmission place (TTBS). The guy took it for a hit around the block and couldn't find anything wrong with it. So I took him for a spin and managed to get the thing to slip on the last of an 8km "trip". He put it up on the hoist, pulled out the electrical connectors to the box, gave them a blow with compressed air, and a squirt of RP7 and it's never done it again. Total cost = NIL. Good blokes at TTBS.

JC, you have done it yet again!

Put the SR up on the ramps, pulled the connectors, found a bit of crud and on the larger plug some blue spots of corrosion. I used the compressed air from my gob (large enough to make lots of pressure!) to blow the crud out, scratched the terminals up a bit with a small screwdriver, applied the RP7 and went for a drive.

I took the same route I travel to work, where the tranny stuffs the 2 to 1st downshift every time. No slips apart from the very first, but I gather the tranny is learning a little. I am very happy about it indeed.

I think you have saved me $450!

JC for PM!

GK

JC · 01-04-2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GK

JC, you have done it yet again!

Put the SR up on the ramps, pulled the connectors, found a bit of crud and on the larger plug some blue spots of corrosion. I used the compressed air from my gob (large enough to make lots of pressure!) to blow the crud out, scratched the terminals up a bit with a small screwdriver, applied the RP7 and went for a drive.

I took the same route I travel to work, where the tranny stuffs the 2 to 1st downshift every time. No slips apart from the very first, but I gather the tranny is learning a little. I am very happy about it indeed.

I think you have saved me $450!

JC for PM!

GK

lol - crack me up!!!

No worries GK. What else is AFF for if we can't share our learning/lessons? My commission is only half of what you've saved, BTW! lol.

Happy Easter mate.