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T3rminator · 11-01-2021, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Much as I think he’s something of a putz, WA Premier McGowan has inferentially defined his preferred terms for unrestricted reengagement with other states - 28 days in a row of zero community transmission. I am pleased by his clarity of intent as stated.

It’s touched upon in this article: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...in-wa/13045994

I don’t think any other state or Territory leader has been so explicit in this manner.

QLD originally had something firm as you stated but was shouted down and copped a lot of pressure from her pal down south and also from the Feds. WA does have a slight advantage in not sharing a border, but having clear goals and targets is always good. This allows each state to set their own containment strategy, but they must achieve a certain target.

tweeked · 11-01-2021, 11:56 AM

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You mean like Japan.[/QUOTE]

Japan is a success.

Compared to the UK - Japan has twice the population. Higher population density.

Japan 2200 cases per million population, 32 deaths per million
UK 45000 cases per million (20x more), 1196 deaths per million (37x more)

Tickford. · 11-01-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

I have no doubt masks works.

Need to inform a certain someone who's in a position of leadership.

Let's play spot the difference again.

Do as I say, not as I do.

Must be an anti-masker for sure.

zilo · 12-01-2021, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

So ..
If CoronaVirus is about the same size as the flu virus it is 80-120 nm
It may be smaller, say 50-120 nm
Smoke particles are consider dangerous if they are under 2.25 µm, ie 2250nm

So, arguably we can conclude that if you can smell smoke through your mask it will not help with coronavirus.

UNLESS the coronavirus is carried on water droplets, then a mask that allows 2250nm smoke in may not allow coronavirus on water droplets in. If this is the case though then the droplets cannot stay airborne.
This is why we can say a mask is only needed if you are closer than 1.5metres to people who are infected and are sneezing or coughing.

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Interesting argument, unfortunately when you compound extrapolations on extrapolations then the logic becomes nonsensical as this has become.

It is irrelevant on how small the virus particle is, the transmission medium is well within manageable proportions for most face masks.

Therefore facemasks work....stopping the transmissive medium stops the payload.

After all a small red LED traffic light can stop a semi trailer....

EgoFG · 12-01-2021, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

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Therefore facemasks work....stopping the transmissive medium stops the payload.

After all a small red LED traffic light can stop a semi trailer....

Thanks for your opinion

roKWiz · 12-01-2021, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

After all a small red LED traffic light can stop a semi trailer....

Love to see that, I would imagine the driver might be doing that.

Citroënbender · 12-01-2021, 06:12 PM

I see the NT government is doing its signature thing; reacting quickly to perceived lessening of risk from interstate. A lot of former hotspots in Sydney are now unencumbered.

jakkes · 12-01-2021, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Interesting argument, unfortunately when you compound extrapolations on extrapolations then the logic becomes nonsensical as this has become.

It is irrelevant on how small the virus particle is, the transmission medium is well within manageable proportions for most face masks.

Therefore facemasks work....stopping the transmissive medium stops the payload.

After all a small red LED traffic light can stop a semi trailer....

one thing iv noticed doing 10-12hr shifts for three months with over 300 people on site wearing mask's at work is "working in the human factor".

no matter how you enforce it, how you train people, how many times you drum it into people, how much you threaten people with their job....... people will be people and they always end up touching the stupid mask you will build up moisture in the mask you will constantly touch, rearrange, and adjust the mask. and then just spread the said medium via hands touching everything you come into contact with. i seen it, iv done it myself.

i'v even been people watching in super markets / shops out in the streets etc etc and its all the same

i can understand the mask stopping the larger droplets when breathing normally or a large portion of droplets on the odd sneeze..

the public is not trained/educated like a surgeon on how/why not to touch your mask...............and even if they were they'd still do it.

roKWiz · 12-01-2021, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jakkes

one thing iv noticed doing 10-12hr shifts for three months with over 300 people on site wearing mask's at work is "working in the human factor".

no matter how you enforce it, how you train people, how many times you drum it into people, how much you threaten people with their job....... people will be people and they always end up touching the stupid mask you will build up moisture in the mask you will constantly touch, rearrange, and adjust the mask. and then just spread the said medium via hands touching everything you come into contact with. i seen it, iv done it myself.

i'v even been people watching in super markets / shops out in the streets etc etc and its all the same

i can understand the mask stopping the larger droplets when breathing normally or a large portion of droplets on the odd sneeze..

the public is not trained/educated like a surgeon on how/why not to touch your mask...............and even if they were they'd still do it.

Love the ones walking around inside shops with the mask down below thier noses.

**Polyal** · 11-01-2021, 10:56 AM

Its a good thing putting a mask on isnt akin to giving blood.

Regardless of our personal beliefs if the "law" is to wear a mask then there is little choice. No liberties or freedoms taken, you just get to smell your own breath for a bit.

No one seems to mention the environmental impact of masks, can you imagine the increase in this waste currently?!

roKWiz · 12-01-2021, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

No one seems to mention the environmental impact of masks, can you imagine the increase in this waste currently?!

I was more concerned about takeaway food containers and the dreaded takeaway coffee cups that like to end up in our rivers during all the lockdowns.

PhilT2 · 11-01-2021, 11:48 AM

New rules for Qld. Lockdown ends at 6 tonight but masks will be required in some circumstances until Jan 22nd. Those going to the cricket will need to wear their mask while moving around but not while seated in the stands. Masks will be required for shopping, using public transport, taxis etc but not while exercising, walking.
In her statement this morning the premier noted that the global situation is deteriorating but didn't give any details.

**russellw** · 11-01-2021, 01:20 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 10th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

12 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.179%. NSW & Victoria recorded 6 cases each.

31 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.127% and active cases 75.

The UK had 54,933 cases yesterday and 563 deaths.

Just under 253.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 3,238 deaths sees CMR fall to 1.680% and active cases at 39.3% with the raw numbers rising and now over 8.9M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
North America passes 26M cases.

Only -
Uruguay (1,212) - 28% above the previous high;
Zambia (1,241); and
Mexico (16,105)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

MITCHAY · 11-01-2021, 01:23 PM

Make lamb, not walls!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCIM...ature=youtu.be

Tickford. · 11-01-2021, 03:47 PM

Dan Andrews, please keep the hard border to NSW in place, until they have 28 days of no community transmission. The NSW government cannot be trusted.

Your 'traffic light system' border exemptions will not work. There's going to be more cases of the NSW virus entering VIC if you go ahead with your proposal.

**GasoLane** · 11-01-2021, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickford.

Dan Andrews, please keep the hard border to NSW in place, until they have 28 days of no community transmission. The NSW government cannot be trusted.

Your 'traffic light system' border exemptions will not work. There's going to be more cases of the NSW virus entering VIC if you go ahead with your proposal.

Aunty Gladys should do the same perhaps? after all I believe it was someone from the Smile Buffalo Thai restaurant cluster that took it to the Sapphire coast

Tickford. · 11-01-2021, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Aunty Gladys should do the same perhaps? after all I believe it was someone from the Smile Buffalo Thai restaurant cluster that took it to the Sapphire coast

You must be a fan of the Murdoch Systematic Media.

T3rminator · 11-01-2021, 04:22 PM

Traffic system is fine...just keep the danger zones red, even if it means the whole of that state

Tensions over border closures rise as Victoria insists it warned NSW
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/...10-p56t19.html

"Victoria disputed Ms Berejiklian's suggestions that it did not inform NSW before the decision was made, and said NSW health authorities and ministers had been kept up to date.

Victorian health officials told an Australian Health Protection Principal Committee at noon on December 31, attended by NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant, that the state was "strongly considering" a border closure, according to the meeting's minutes. At 3.30pm that day, Acting Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan announced the closure."

All I can say is, please keep those meeting minutes away from the shredders.

And on ABC this morning, coming out WA....
"There are five states and two territories doing one thing and one state doing something else".
"The whole country is not New South Wales, other states need to protect ourselves from the spread in New South Wales and other states that are infected"

Tickford. · 11-01-2021, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

"Victoria disputed Ms Berejiklian's suggestions that it did not inform NSW before the decision was made, and said NSW health authorities and ministers had been kept up to date.

Victorian health officials told an Australian Health Protection Principal Committee at noon on December 31, attended by NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant, that the state was "strongly considering" a border closure, according to the meeting's minutes. At 3.30pm that day, Acting Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan announced the closure."

As I said...

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Originally Posted by Tickford.

The NSW government cannot be trusted.

They are full of.... umm.. *lies.

*Keeping it PG

**GasoLane** · 11-01-2021, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickford.

You must be a fan of the Murdoch Systematic Media.

Why?.

**FairmontGS** · 11-01-2021, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickford.

Dan Andrews, please keep the hard border to NSW in place, until they have 28 days of no community transmission. The NSW government cannot be trusted.

Your 'traffic light system' border exemptions will not work. There's going to be more cases of the NSW virus entering VIC if you go ahead with your proposal.

You couldn't make this stuff up

Victoria unveils ‘traffic light’ border system - The Victorian government’s new “traffic light” permit system is not yet online, despite border changes coming into effect at 6pm.

The website for Victoria’s new travel permits has failed to launch.

The Service Victoria portal at www.service.vic.gov.au was due to go live at 5.59pm on Monday but people logging on after 6pm were unable to access it.

A message displayed on the site on Monday night said: “The new permit system will be available shortly. Please check back here later today”.

Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien criticised the website issues, writing on Twitter: “This afternoon Labor announced a 6pm deadline for permits to enter Victoria, backed by a $5000 fine. But no direction is signed; no permit is available. Maybe if Labor Ministers were fined $5000 for incompetence, they’d lift their game?”

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronav...3ff20c0588d30b

T3rminator · 12-01-2021, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

You couldn't make this stuff up

Victoria unveils ‘traffic light’ border system - The Victorian government’s new “traffic light” permit system is not yet online, despite border changes coming into effect at 6pm.

3 hour delay on a IT roll out in the public sector. Just "mopping up" a couple of glitches. That is a win in my books

Meanwhile, 31000 permits processed.

And seeing whats been happening on the other side, I reckon some of these permits need to be vetted by ASIO.

I hear the Vic gov has taken out ads in NSW saying "don't come"?

**FairmontGS** · 12-01-2021, 03:18 PM

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I hear the Vic gov has taken out ads in NSW saying "don't come"?

Apparently. I haven't seen them.

Aunty Gladys is taking out full pages in The Age and Sun Herald tomorrow saying "Why would we?"

roKWiz · 12-01-2021, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Apparently. I haven't seen them.

Aunty Gladys is taking out full pages in The Age and Sun Herald tomorrow saying "Why would we?"

Weren't you down here in Nagambie recently.

Tickford. · 11-01-2021, 04:18 PM

WA Premier Mark McGowan, in his press conference this morning, came out swinging in retaliation to Gladys’s side swipes against other Premier’s.

Unbelievable!

The resilience and the backbone of this bloke!

Got to give him dues, he calls a spade a spade. Or in this case, a Covidiot a Covidiot.

**FairmontGS** · 11-01-2021, 04:20 PM

I see North Korea is back

**FairmontGS** · 11-01-2021, 06:30 PM

The masks are starting to become pain with the Jan-Feb humidity and heat in Sydney. Just a 10 minute trip to the supermarket renders them a soggy unhygienic mess fit only for the bin. Going to get through a lot more now.

Yellow_Festiva · 11-01-2021, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

The masks are starting to become pain with the Jan-Feb humidity and heat in Sydney. Just a 10 minute trip to the supermarket renders them a soggy unhygienic mess fit only for the bin. Going to get through a lot more now.

I put mine on the dash of the car when I get back in and it's sterilized in minutes.

MITCHAY · 11-01-2021, 07:42 PM

You can argue the toss all you like about what everyone else is doing but NSW are consistent with the suppression strategy that was agreed to by all of them at national cabinet

Citroënbender · 11-01-2021, 08:06 PM

I am almost beside myself at the creation of these ongoing “hard borders” and permit requirements. They’re promoted enthusiastically, ahead of any interest in a unified push to agree on strategies that benefit everyone - pitting Australians against each other.

We have devolved, into disruptive and combative internal conduct learned from a noteworthy ally. That’s a tragedy.