Will the Holden brand survive? - Page 2

jpd80 · 15-04-2018, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by solarite_guy

Buick is GM.

Firing orders for a straight would be up to combinations for flat plane, 90* cross plane and 45* cross plane. Of course you could do some 270* deals like Yahama has with it's rendition of the big bang motor, but I would think most would do a 90* cross plane these days. There is no accounting for the early days. Within each, there are optional orders.

hmmm? just thought a 45* cross plane crank would give a few big bang possibilities too...?

Buick straight eight firing order 1 6 2 5 8 3 7 4.
Problem with the straight eight was crank length and flex/whip.

**solarite_guy** · 15-04-2018, 01:59 PM

That was a problem with the V16s too.

Half of the thought is, they didn't rev too much back then. The other half was the metallurgy wasn't too good.

My uncle had an early 30s straight 8 Pontiac too. I don't think I ever saw the engine.

jpd80 · 15-04-2018, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by solarite_guy

That was a problem with the V16s too.

Half of the thought is, they didn't rev too much back then. The other half was the metallurgy wasn't too good.

My uncle had an early 30s straight 8 Pontiac too. I don't think I ever saw the engine.

V16s giving way to large capacity V8s was the first evolution in downsizing that been going on
for the last 80 or 90 years. As technology improved we saw even greater engine efficiency with
Small blocks replacing big blocks, Turbo and atmo V6s replacing small block V8s and now
Turbo I-4s replacing V6s.... the beat goes on...

Pepscobra · 16-04-2018, 01:48 AM

Wow, I didn't realise it was so bad for Holden at the moment.
I'd be very sad to see the end of Holden in Australia, but it doesn't look great for them at the moment.

jpd80 · 16-04-2018, 05:36 AM

GM is not really interested in RHD markets especially now that RHD Vauxhall is gone with Opel,
there's no real reason or incentive for them to stay in RHD markets, it's now just tokenage.
I think that's why we're seeing Holden spun the way it is, it exists as long as GM wants it to.

Junkyard-Dog · 16-04-2018, 09:29 AM

Even the non-car people I know reckon it's all over for Holden. They no-longer perceive the product as "Australian" any more and their interest in the brand has clearly decreased.

Windsor220 · 16-04-2018, 10:56 AM

Do new car buyers keep their car that long? Mitsubishi got rid of the 10 year warranty for that reason

csv8 · 16-04-2018, 12:35 PM

My local Holden dealer only sells one other brand, Suzuki. Ford dealer sells Mitsi, Great Wall, Isuzu, Kia.

BENT_8 · 16-04-2018, 02:53 PM

My neighbour works for a Ford Dealer, they also sell Suzuki, Subaru, Isuzu and Skoda.

Nothing new or unique to any brand.

stevanford · 16-04-2018, 03:04 PM

IMO, the Holden brand will soon be gone and replaced by Chevrolet in Australia. Will make bringing the Camaro and Corvette in much easier and they will come in as a factory RHD car.

jpd80 · 16-04-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stevanford

IMO, the Holden brand will soon be gone and replaced by Chevrolet in Australia. Will make bringing the Camaro and Corvette in much easier and they will come in as a factory RHD car.

If indeed GM is planning any RWD Performance models, they won't be on these product cycles (inside 2 years)
The whole reason HSV is doing RHDs on Camaro is because GMNA can't make the business case stick right now
but that doesn't mean things won't change - GM gives Ford 5 years head start in HP RHD coupes and mows them down?

BENT_8 · 16-04-2018, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

If indeed GM is planning any RWD Performance models, they won't be on these product cycles (inside 2 years)
The whole reason HSV is doing RHDs on Camaro is because GMNA can't make the business case stick right now
but that doesn't mean things won't change - GM gives Ford 5 years head start in HP RHD coupes and mows them down?

It makes sense to phase it in really, the last 12 months of Commodore production saw a large % of V8's sold so the market was saturated in the short term.
HSV will test the waters, albeit with converted examples, but that wont stop the cashed up bogans who paid overs for the current HSV offerings and who will be happy to pay overs to be first in.
If the demand is there, which looking at Mustangs market gains suggests there is, 2 years would be about right for those looking to upgrade their VF2 SS to the factory RHD camaro at a competetive price point to Mustang.

Vesper Martini · 18-04-2018, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stevanford

IMO, the Holden brand will soon be gone and replaced by Chevrolet in Australia. Will make bringing the Camaro and Corvette in much easier and they will come in as a factory RHD car.

GM seem to be pulling out of Left hand drive markets, and I don't think there are any Plans for the US Produced vehicles to have RHD platforms.

We could still transition to the Chevorlet, but They would be all out of Thailand & Korea.

hackney · 16-04-2018, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

My neighbour works for a Ford Dealer, they also sell Suzuki, Subaru, Isuzu and Skoda.

Nothing new or unique to any brand.

They have to survive,just selling Ford would be suicide.My local multi franchises as well.MG, Isuzu Ute.Mahindra,Kia,Proton,Mitsubishi & LDV.Cheers

GCRXR6 · 16-04-2018, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

My local Holden dealer only sells one other brand, Suzuki. Ford dealer sells Mitsi, Great Wall, Isuzu, Kia.

Yes, interesting times ahead for them. They obviously thought Holden would be around forever.....as did a lot of others.

chizzy86 · 17-04-2018, 08:09 PM

Similar issues for Vauxhall in the UK. All contracts with dealers terminated. Business being re-organised. Probably a big cull coming soon.

Probably foreshadowing what will happen here soon

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-sales-plunge/

ivorya · 19-04-2018, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chizzy86

Similar issues for Vauxhall in the UK. All contracts with dealers terminated. Business being re-organised. Probably a big cull coming soon.

Probably foreshadowing what will happen here soon

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-sales-plunge/

Also read the South Korean Gov looking like propping up GM there so they don't go Bankrupt....... Haven't we seen this before somewhere???

The cycle continues.......

csv8 · 19-04-2018, 09:48 AM

ozrunner replacement could be a Buick or Malibu.

ozrunner · 19-04-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

ozrunner replacement could be a Buick or Malibu.

But are they made in RHD ?

Vesper Martini · 19-04-2018, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ozrunner

But are they made in RHD ?

Nope so we will get the Daewoo Tosca, sorry Holden Epica

Bossxr8 · 19-04-2018, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Holden won’t be going anywhere. To kill it off and introduce Chev would cost a bucket load, the ROI wouldn’t be there.

I can imagine all those ‘patriots’ with the southern cross tattoos and stickers on their Chev badged Commodores kicking up a stink.

It's more GM's style to kill it off rather than re-brand.

Bossxr8 · 19-04-2018, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

ozrunner replacement could be a Buick or Malibu.

If the ZB keeps selling in such poor numbers I doubt GM would even bother replacing it.

Rob 351 · 19-04-2018, 04:47 PM

I’m not sure if this affects Australian ZB’s but in NZ they already have a recall on them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/new...over-seatbelts

ROB MAETZIG / STUFF
Worries over the rear left and right seatbelts of the ZB Commodore lead to recall notice.
Fears that safety belts could fail in the brand new Holden ZB Commodore has led to the issuing of an urgent recall.

The Motor Industry Association says it has identified a condition where the rear left and right seatbelts may not have been installed correctly.

This may have happened when the vehicle was manufactured.

If the vehicle is in a collision the seatbelts may not operate as designed, and could lead to serious injury.

READ MORE
* ZB Commodore lets tech talk
* How Holden has tuned the European ZB Commodore for local roads
* The Toyota Prado flollops
* Legacy is the new Commodore

The MIA says the rear centre seat belt is not affected.

It's urging people to contact their local Holden dealers to deal with the issue.

**DFB FGXR6** · 19-04-2018, 09:05 PM

https://www.caradvice.com.au/641291/...olorado-video/

WOW!

Holden are saved! A ginger man with a beard is chased by a mountain goat.

Geez, the amount of crap Ford copped over the years because of it questionable marking prowess and this is all Holden have got!

GCRXR6 · 20-04-2018, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

https://www.caradvice.com.au/641291/...olorado-video/

WOW!

Holden are saved! A ginger man with a beard is chased by a mountain goat.

Geez, the amount of crap Ford copped over the years because of it questionable marking prowess and this is all Holden have got!

Yeah, all I can say is ..."Now who's the goat?"

roddy1960 · 21-04-2018, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

https://www.caradvice.com.au/641291/...olorado-video/

WOW!

Holden are saved! A ginger man with a beard is chased by a mountain goat.

Geez, the amount of crap Ford copped over the years because of it questionable marking prowess and this is all Holden have got!

This is more like it . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j-qy1s1RIM from Ford and Chevrolet about 30 years ago.

Colorado should save it's back end for carrying oil cans around . Some are devouring 3-4 litres of oil per 1000 kms going by disgruntled owners .

eb2fairmont · 19-04-2018, 11:08 PM

It’s half the problem chasing hipsters.

Sprint XR8 · 20-04-2018, 12:27 AM

A bearded man chasing sheep in the hills wouldn't have made it past the New Zealand censors.

GCRXR6 · 20-04-2018, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprint XR8

A bearded man chasing sheep in the hills wouldn't have made it past the New Zealand censors.

Now, now, enough of those suggestive comments.

**DJR-351** · 20-04-2018, 07:12 AM

Am guessing no matter what Holden do or try they are going to get slammed......