Crock Of Rubbish Smoking Laws

[XR6-VCT-2000]

Im absolutelly sick to death of all the picking and ranting that smokers have had to put up with over the years ! , now some other stupid rule out that we can't have a cigarette at bus stops etc etc .

If smoking is that bad then why .............(the following)..

You could get a pack of 30's cigarettes ( standard adverage a day for a smoker ), jump in ya car , close all the doors and windows and smoke ya head of until you finished the pack - now at the worse you might have a good caugh and a bit of a choke , but it ain't gonna kill you there and then ! . Where as you can run a hose into your car from the exhaust and kiss your ИИИИ goodbye in minutes ! ... Now you tell me which is more toxic and deadlly !

C'mon seriouslly - there is more pollution/toxins in the air from factorys and cars etc etc dropping more crap into the air than what a lifetime of smokers could achieve. And you non smokers who want to rant about me having my cigarette , think what you say before you start you car nextime and toxify myself and other smokers with your car fumes !.

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by XR6-VCT-2000

Im absolutelly sick to death of all the picking and ranting that smokers have had to put up with over the years ! , now some other stupid rule out that we can't have a cigarette at bus stops etc etc .

If smoking is that bad then why .............(the following)..

You could get a pack of 30's cigarettes ( standard adverage a day for a smoker ), jump in ya car , close all the doors and windows and smoke ya head of until you finished the pack - now at the worse you might have a good caugh and a bit of a choke , but it ain't gonna kill you there and then ! . Where as you can run a hose into your car from the exhaust and kiss your ИИИИ goodbye in minutes ! ... Now you tell me which is more toxic and deadlly !

C'mon seriouslly - there is more pollution/toxins in the air from factorys and cars etc etc dropping more crap into the air than what a lifetime of smokers could achieve. And you non smokers who want to rant about me having my cigarette , think what you say before you start you car nextime and toxify myself and other smokers with your car fumes !.

Hate to tell you but aside from total smoking ban in pubs and clubs and casinos from July in QLD the next target is total smoking ban in cars, private cars with or without other passengers.

[XR6-VCT-2000]

:( didn't need to hear that , that just ruined my day ! - allthough i dont smoke in my newer car anyways cos i dont want to put holes in the seats ..lol.
But honestlly , where in the world do these politicians get off thinking they can get away with making bullИИИИ rules like this forever , its getting out of hand .. It's almost getting to a point where you are more free in jails ! - I hear they aren't gonna ban smoking in there !

[agony]

Originally Posted by Yaw

Hate to tell you but aside from total smoking ban in pubs and clubs and casinos from July in QLD the next target is total smoking ban in cars, private cars with or without other passengers.

ITS ABOUT TIME!

[Simmo]

show me the unrefutable proof that secondhand smoke causes anything and i will start complaining. until then fellas, smoke on. i dont even smoke and i think its getting to be a joke. if your standing next to a person and blowing smoke in their face or if cig smoke makes your asthma flare up then yes that fine. but in an open area and even in clubs i see no point. it doesnt get anywhere NEAR the concentration of actually smoking a cigarette, so shush.

[BJ]

Originally Posted by XR6-VCT-2000

I'm absolutely sick to death of all the picking and ranting that smokers have had to put up with over the years ! , now some other stupid rule out that we can't have a cigarette at bus stops etc etc .

If smoking is that bad then why .............(the following)..

You could get a pack of 30's cigarettes ( standard average a day for a smoker ), jump in ya car , close all the doors and windows and smoke ya head of until you finished the pack - now at the worse you might have a good cough and a bit of a choke , but it ain't gonna kill you there and then ! . Where as you can run a hose into your car from the exhaust and kiss your ИИИИ goodbye in minutes ! ... Now you tell me which is more toxic and deadly !

C'mon seriously - there is more pollution/toxins in the air from factories and cars etc etc dropping more crap into the air than what a lifetime of smokers could achieve. And you non smokers who want to rant about me having my cigarette , think what you say before you start you car nextime and toxify myself and other smokers with your car fumes !.

Well isn't that simple. Ban cars as well. You smokers real make me laugh, all you think of is me me me well guess what buddy. The sooner smoking is band altogether the better i say. Now if you want to sit in your car and smoke you B.L.O.O.D.Y 30 smoke then you go a head and do that with any luck you will all die from your disgusting habit. I choose not to smoke and i should not have to put up with some inconsiderate p^&k lighting up next to me and expect me to put up with it. Maybe you should think of other people before you light up. I dont under satnd how, when you no what you are doing is going to kill you in the long run.

[vanessa0305]

Originally Posted by BJ

Well isn't that simple. Ban cars as well. You smokers real make me laugh, all you think of is me me me well guess what buddy. The sooner smoking is band altogether the better i say. Now if you want to sit in your car and smoke you B.L.O.O.D.Y 30 smoke then you go a head and do that with any luck you will all die from your disgusting habit. I choose not to smoke and i should not have to put up with some inconsiderate p^&k lighting up next to me and expect me to put up with it. Maybe you should think of other people before you light up. I dont under satnd how, when you no what you are doing is going to kill you in the long run.

Here Here!! And what about my children. I sit at the bus stop with my 4 kids one of them is only 8 months old and some young bugger decides to light and subjects my kids to the smoke, besides the fact that it has been shown without a doubt that second hand smoke kills, it smells disgusting and I shouldn't have to deal with it. Its everywhere we go. We go to walk into a shopping centre and we have to hold our breath to get in the door because there are 10 inconsiderate smokers sitting around the entrance puffing away! Do it in your own home and own car and don't subject others to it and then we will leave you alone. While you insist on smoking near me and mine then I am going to get upset.

[Thunder]

So are they trying to ban smoking in a car even if your on your own? I can understant how adults should be banned from smoking in a car with kids or other passangers, but i cant see the problem if on my own i have a cigarette.

[Simmo]

if you replaced the word 'smoker' with say 'nigger' or 'chink' in any of these replies, this would be blatant racism. yet smokers are a 'fair' target because years of propaganda have brainwashed everyone into thinking that the tinyest whiff of smoke will set them on the course to 6 kinds of cancer and death at 24. its bad enough they have to cower around the few places left to have a smoke but now they have to deal with being called filthy and killers. i just find the situation laughable that when someone has the moral highground that makes them 100% right, 100% of the time. moral highground is masturbation in the sense of self-pleasure.

[KEV EB XR8]

Unfortunatly this subject has earned me a warning before, so i wont be posting anymore than this.

As a director of an RSL club, i know first hand the hurting an average sized club pub has, to stay solvent. Many have been lost already (mainly vic) due to the capital investments needed to compensate for the changes. loss of income in these venues starts the downward spiral by deleting (free) gaming associated prizes, bar prices must inevitably go up. staff layoffs due to numbers decline.

Now many of you might say, GOOD , we have the club to ourselves with no smokers, but statistics show that more club/pub going people are smokers, Dosnt paint a pretty picture for the survival of small venues .
I know this is only one aspect of the total phasing out of smoking but rest assured it is the biggest social gathering place, Impeding on the privacy for a smoke in the home -car -etc is just plain gestapo.


For all the marveous puppets that are changing the lifestyles of the modern world to suit the minority

WHY DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT DOSENT TELL THE TOBACCO COMPANYS TO STOP MANUFACTURING THE CIGARETTES FOR SALE.

GREED = INCOME,

[max^power]

As an ex smoker myself i can understand how smokers are feeling about the new laws. On the other hand... since quitting, i can now see the benefits of not being a smoker, and not adding to the toxins in the air we all breathe every day.

Personally, i dont care if you smoke in your car alone. I think this rule is more aimed at the inconsiderate parents that smoke with the kids in the car. There's no excuse for doing that.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by XR6-VCT-2000

Im absolutelly sick to death of all the picking and ranting that smokers have had to put up with over the years ! , now some other stupid rule out that we can't have a cigarette at bus stops etc etc .

If smoking is that bad then why .............(the following)..

You could get a pack of 30's cigarettes ( standard adverage a day for a smoker ), jump in ya car , close all the doors and windows and smoke ya head of until you finished the pack - now at the worse you might have a good caugh and a bit of a choke , but it ain't gonna kill you there and then ! . Where as you can run a hose into your car from the exhaust and kiss your ИИИИ goodbye in minutes ! ... Now you tell me which is more toxic and deadlly !

C'mon seriouslly - there is more pollution/toxins in the air from factorys and cars etc etc dropping more crap into the air than what a lifetime of smokers could achieve. And you non smokers who want to rant about me having my cigarette , think what you say before you start you car nextime and toxify myself and other smokers with your car fumes !.

Mmmmm interesting the way your mind works XR6-VCT-2000! Two wrongs do not make a right.
Knowing how bad it is for us people continue to smoke. Your arguement is because there are worse things in the world, it should be allowed to continue?

Our health system is overloaded. 27% of the population still smoke. Smoking will cause health problems in most of them. If these people did not smoke it would free up the health system to treat people suffering from things they may not have done to themselves.

I support and expect the government to do anything that will reduce the number of people smoking.

[TheSneakiness]

Originally Posted by Simmo

show me the unrefutable proof that secondhand smoke causes anything and i will start complaining. until then fellas, smoke on. i dont even smoke and i think its getting to be a joke. if your standing next to a person and blowing smoke in their face or if cig smoke makes your asthma flare up then yes that fine. but in an open area and even in clubs i see no point. it doesnt get anywhere NEAR the concentration of actually smoking a cigarette, so shush.

Actually Simmo, whenever I've been to clubs and pubs and wherever else you go to get drunk and have a good time, have you ever had a smell of yourself the next morning when you've been mixed in with smokers?

It's absolutely disgusting. Sometimes it gets so bad, I have to throw up.

I'm glad QLD bought in those anti-smoking laws last year, but the problem is it's so hard to police correctly. I know of one club here who blatantly break the law and let smokers smoke wherever the hell they want to. Wasn't part of this law that people where not to smoke in clubs, pubs, beaches and main sporting arenas?

[superpursuit83]

Originally Posted by Yaw

Hate to tell you but aside from total smoking ban in pubs and clubs and casinos from July in QLD the next target is total smoking ban in cars, private cars with or without other passengers.

Have not smoked in my new one and never will, Can really tell the difference after 6 months still has new car smell.

And I smoke 25 a day

[PH47]

I'm a non smoker, with lung conditions meaning being near a smoker can make it difficult for me to breath and possibly make my lungs cease up.. yet I still think all the laws are a bit rediculous.. more government control.. revenue raising.. etc.. either ban cigarettes due to their dangers and then all these "you can't smoke here" make sense and result in a fine, or if cigarettes are legal why all the conditions? Being sensitive to cigarette smoke I just be cautious when going to pubs/clubs, if a guy lights up near me I move upwind, that sorta thing.. and if it's in a confined space I ask really nicely and explain the situation.. never had a bad response.

The government wants money from the cigarette industry being legal, and then wants money from all the fines from banning smoking everywhere.

[Neeek]

I'm a smoker (for my sins) and rather controversially, I support any smoking bans that the government chooses to implement. It's a filthy habit, it makes my clothes stink and has plenty more side effects that I don't care to think about too often.

I have no problem whatsoever with banning smoking in public areas. What people do in the privacy of their own home should stay that way. Otherwise, we smokers need to get with the programme or just STFU and quit so we can whinge about something else.

Smokers who feel hard done by have no sympathy from me - sorry. Stop smoking if it bothers you that much. And stop being so bloody selfish - passive smoking is a well-documented and proven issue, so smoke somewhere where you don't have to inflict your toxins on other people.

[gozza]

Originally Posted by agony

ITS ABOUT TIME!

if you don't smoke in your own car how does this apply to you?
if i wanna smoke in my car i will....if someone has issues with that and there in my car i will be curteous and not smoke...I understand about the smoke not escaping and harming children for example....but if im on my own theres no difference as to where i smoke my ciggarette

[fiery]

I was a smoker (30 days quit now).... but I have no problems being around smokers.
The way I see it.. Why should the government be making money off of smokers then telling them how disgusting they are.....
What happened to equal rights... shouldn't that actually apply to those that cant or dont want to quit too!!!!!!!!!

How dare anyone tell a smoker what they can do in the privacy of their own car, house.. whatever.......... They paid for it.. not the flipping government and certainly not anyone else...... Back off out of the smokers private areas...

(I must admit I hope I never take it up again though - everything tastes and smells so much better - and the energy levels - awesome : )
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[MITCHAY]

You guys do realize smokers pay for the privilege of smoking. I would be willing to bet that more revenue is raised through collecting tax from cigarette sales, then what is actually spent treating illness as a result of smoking.

[Laminge]

Thats right Mitchay

But the imported brand I get hidden in Teddy Bears from the Family contacts OS avoids those costs and provides employment opportunities for the local Sunday Fair for 2nd hand Teddy Bears....

[BJ]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

You guys do realize smokers pay for the privilege of smoking. I would be willing to bet that more revenue is raised through collecting tax from cigarette sales, then what is actually spent treating illness as a result of smoking.

So what you are saying is that they are paying death tax's in advance are they. I don't care which way you look at it, how can they justify what they are doing if it is going to kill you in the end. Sorry but i wont matter what you say the sooner it is baned altogether the better of everyone will be. If you think i have a narrow mind on this subject you are right i will not be told to put up with it by people who think of no one but themselves.

[NZ]

wow popular thread.

[fiery]

Originally Posted by BJ

So what you are saying is that they are paying death tax's in advance are they. I don't care which way you look at it, how can they justify what they are doing if it is going to kill you in the end. Sorry but i wont matter what you say the sooner it is baned altogether the better of everyone will be. If you think i have a narrow mind on this subject you are right i will not be told to put up with it by people who think of no one but themselves.

With such a clean living attitude I would have to make an assumption you never ever take any drugs of any sort (yes even prescribed ones, they all have side affects), never drink alcohol..... never do a burnout, skid, drive a little faster than you actually should be!!!!

[HTCURRY]

If the federal govt really cared about the harm Big Tobacco was doing to this country, it would put up the issue of banning cigg in australia in a referendum. Before ppl here think im crazy, judging from the response here and elsewhere, a majority dont smoke...so it should get the 50-51% of votes it needs to pass.

Some might say what a waste of tax payers money....but whats a few million in the short term to save BILLIONS long term??

Wouldnt that end this debate once and for all...i mean we say its a democracy, so let the majority speak.

Before the smokers jump down my throat...i am a smoker, down to 2 from a pack a day...but still a smoker.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Neeek

I'm a smoker (for my sins) and rather controversially, I support any smoking bans that the government chooses to implement. It's a filthy habit, it makes my clothes stink and has plenty more side effects that I don't care to think about too often.

I have no problem whatsoever with banning smoking in public areas. What people do in the privacy of their own home should stay that way. Otherwise, we smokers need to get with the programme or just STFU and quit so we can whinge about something else.

Smokers who feel hard done by have no sympathy from me - sorry. Stop smoking if it bothers you that much. And stop being so bloody selfish - passive smoking is a well-documented and proven issue, so smoke somewhere where you don't have to inflict your toxins on other people.

You're a hard man Neeek but I tend to agree.

I should add I'm an ex-smoker, so I understand where smokers are coming from. I understand how personally they take it with all the bad press about smoking.

The problem is some smokers will not take responsiblity for their actions. Smoking too close to people who obviously object. Smoking in a car full of kids with the windows up! Smoking anywhere kids/non smokers are exposed, even in their own home.

So unfortunately it's up to the rest of us, (the marjority), through government legislation, to force them to do the right thing!

I lived in London in the 80's. I could still smoke on packed public transport, including the underground, remember the Kings Cross fire? I could smoke in picture theaters, smokers to the left non-smokers to the right. I can not imagine anyone doing this now, but that is only because "the rules" have been changed for so long.

A certian percentage of smokers will smoke anywhere, believing it is a right. They don't care about anyone else. It is because of these selfish people, all smokers feel like second class citizens.

[BJ]

Originally Posted by fiery

With such a clean living attitude I would have to make an assumption you never ever take any drugs of any sort (yes even prescribed ones, they all have side affects), never drink alcohol..... never do a burnout, skid, drive a little faster than you actually should be!!!!

So Because i make the decision not to smoke makes me pyus dose it. Yes i drink, in moderation and yes i take pain relief so now i am a hypocrite am i. What has any of this got to do with the issue at hand. I will say again i choose not to smoke and i will not be told by anyone to put up with it. If all you can do is try and find some other way of justifying it then you need help don't you.

[brenx]

I'm currently watching my mother inlaw die from lung cancer caused by smoking. I've been watching her deteriorrate over a period of 12 years. 12 years ago she looked quite healthy. 12 years on now her doctor has said she doesn't have very long to live. My mother inlaw was diagnosed with emphysema around 12-18mths ago. She can no longer go for a long walk with her grandchildren. She is too tired by the time she gets to the end of the street (around 80m). She is trying to cut down but smoking is smoking regardess of the amount smoked.

If someone wants to risk killing themself? Go ahead. Just leave my health alone.

My wife smokes too. She has developed a similar cough to her mothers. Give it another 10 or so years and I won't need a divorce as I'll be widowed. Least the kids will be old enough to look after themselves. I would be nice to have their mother around though. Atleast she doesn't smoke in the house. My wife only smokes in the garage and on the porch. Oh I forgot also in MY damn bloody car! Gives me the ИИИИs.

Smoking is a drug addiction not just a bad habbit.

[Simmo]

Originally Posted by BJ

So Because i make the decision not to smoke makes me pyus dose it. Yes i drink, in moderation and yes i take pain relief so now i am a hypocrite am i. What has any of this got to do with the issue at hand. I will say again i choose not to smoke and i will not be told by anyone to put up with it. If all you can do is try and find some other way of justifying it then you need help don't you.

dude, what makes you pious is the way you reply here. all your posts in this thread have been in that veign. if you sit atop the moral mt everest and hurl verbal snowballs at the rest of us, then yeh, your being pious.

[MITCHAY]

Why not ban all transport too. Hell ban everything that gives off polution. I bet those who object to smoking and live in a major city have never given that a second thought. I bet the health affects from being exposed to that all your life are far greater than passing by a smoker. Carbon monoxide comes out of cars too yet people happily drive them.

[fiery]

Originally Posted by BJ

So Because i make the decision not to smoke makes me pyus dose it. Yes i drink, in moderation and yes i take pain relief so now i am a hypocrite am i. What has any of this got to do with the issue at hand. I will say again i choose not to smoke and i will not be told by anyone to put up with it. If all you can do is try and find some other way of justifying it then you need help don't you.

Oh please.... I dont need help from anyone, I helped myself...
Im not saying that anyone is any better but what I am pointing out.. We all have rights to choose what we do with our lives and what we dont..
Some choose to smoke, some dont.. I agree no smoking in pubs, restaurants etc.. But I really think it is a totally selfish attitude to sit there and say it should be totally banned full stop, or that people shouldnt be allowed to smoke in peace in the privacy of their own car/house etc.
Is that a bit clearer for you now...
Unless you do live a totally clean perfect life then how can you judge others, as you have done so by stating about it being banned totally!!!!!
I do not need to justify anything, nor am I..... read what I wrote a little more carefully and you may see the point I am making.