Workplace reg changes.

[Citric GT]

Originally Posted by 347stroker

its funny to see how dillusional some people really are....
UNITY IN STRENGTH

The reason so many (young) people feel secure and think nothing can happen to them is because they have never known what its like to have bad working conditions etc. They don't realise that the only reason we enjoy good conditions is because previous generations (with the help of thier unions) have fought hard to get them.

Anyone, especially young people, who can't recognise this are just showing disrespect to thier elders who gave them what they have today.

[MO]

Originally Posted by Citric XR6

The reason so many (young) people feel secure and think nothing can happen to them is because they have never known what its like to have bad working conditions etc. They don't realise that the only reason we enjoy good conditions is because previous generations (with the help of thier unions) have fought hard to get them.

Anyone, especially young people, who can't recognise this are just showing disrespect to thier elders who gave them what they have today.

Well said.....

[347Stroker]

I can see a return of the term "SCAB" and "No Guts-No Principals" for alot of people, and unrest in the workplace. Howard does not realise we are a nation of battlers, and will revolt. It will eventually make the unions stronger, because everyone will have to join....
Bring back the glory days I say, bring on the REVOLOUTION.....

[Citric GT]

Originally Posted by Citric XR6

The reason so many (young) people feel secure and think nothing can happen to them is because they have never known what its like to have bad working conditions etc. They don't realise that the only reason we enjoy good conditions is because previous generations (with the help of thier unions) have fought hard to get them.

Anyone, especially young people, who can't recognise this are just showing disrespect to thier elders who gave them what they have today.

Further to my last post I'd like to add that I'm only 24 and I too have never had to fight for my conditions but I work in an environment where most blokes have 30, 40 and some over 50 years service. To hear some of the things they had to go through its a wonder any of them stuck around.

A few months ago I read a biography on Ben Chifley (ex Prime Minister) and that really opened my eyes to certain things. Thats why I think this is such an important subject.

[Dark Horse]

Originally Posted by Citric XR6

The reason so many (young) people feel secure and think nothing can happen to them is because they have never known what its like to have bad working conditions etc. They don't realise that the only reason we enjoy good conditions is because previous generations (with the help of thier unions) have fought hard to get them.

Anyone, especially young people, who can't recognise this are just showing disrespect to thier elders who gave them what they have today.

This is exactly why we see a decline in union membership especially in the younger working ranks. I know it's personal choice but hopefully it won't be too late for some to realise this when the boot in the **** comes. I made the quick decision to join one as soon as I started working at 18.

[MO]

There was a revolution in the past..the RED Revolution...there is a new revolution brewing and it will be called.....EQUALITY.
The corporatist ideal is on the down...they have reached the peak of their bell curve,as with the industrial revolution the workers will prevail...its just a matter of time and perserverance.

UNITED WE STAND DEVIDED WE FALL.....workers of Australia unite!!!!

[347Stroker]

Yes, you are right....only last century we were all out for wage rises, holidays, sick pay, the 40 hour week....and many things that are just taken for granted these days.
Do you think ol' Jackboot wearing Howard will want to see these conditions upheld.....never.
We all need to get together and have everybody informed of what it really means, and educate the younger guys.....I am an old union rep, and was in the coal mines, so know what a strike is all about....and the people out there that carry on about unions, and how silly they are.....just ask them if they like their holidays, and leave loading at work.......because it was the unity of the worker that got these conditions....

[SpoolMan]

Work Place changes is the thread we are talking about and the current situation and proposed changes.
Political views and who you voted for have no issue here.
Please keep it on the topic.

[MO]

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

Work Place changes is the thread we are talking about and the current situation and proposed changes.
Political views and who you voted for have no issue here.
Please keep it on the topic.

Face facts...you talk about changes to the IR system...which stem from the gov't in power...HOW can it not get a little political.

And personally as far as I'm concerned I asked the mods to allow this thread to run its course as it could be a very interesting and enlightning thread..political or not.

Because there is such a diverse viewpoint out there that needs to be expressed and we must appreciate the views of all,in order to come to a relevant conclusion.

I know political threads as such are frowned upon....however given the wide ramifications of the topic...I think a little political banter is not out of order.

[GreenMachine]

Thanks guys - I stopped reading quasi-political threads back in the FF.com days because I couldn't stand the right-wing rubbish.

I'm about to start a new job in the political sphere - here's to change!

[MO]

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

Work Place changes is the thread we are talking about and the current situation and proposed changes.
Political views and who you voted for have no issue here.
Please keep it on the topic.

I would appreciate your input as a moderator...considering my reply to your last post......all I would ask is your honest view as to how you as an individual feel about the the proposed changes.

I am hoping that ppl keep their high political views subdued and that some political banter is tolerated by the mods,as this is a very very serious subject.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by John McMaster

Face facts...you talk about changes to the IR system...which stem from the gov't in power...HOW can it not get a little political.

i am a Union Steward for NUW, i am involved in on-going discussions for 150 people on our site, i understand what is going on.
we can talk about the current situation, workplace relations.
they way some of the posts are going it well end up in a Liberal Vs Labor thread.
Calling a political leader Adolf and other names, wont help others take there post as a serious work place relations post, ends up looking more like political bashing thread.

Originally Posted by John McMaster

I would appreciate your input as a moderator...considering my reply to your last post......all I would ask is your honest view as to how you as an individual feel about the the proposed changes.

I am hoping that ppl keep their high political views subdued and that some political banter is tolerated by the mods,as this is a very very serious subject.

I have already made 2 posts in this thread yesterday. i do enough posting now..lol.

[MO]

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

i am a Union Steward for NUW, i am involved in on-going discussions for 150 people on our site, i understand what is going on.
we can talk about the current situation, workplace relations.
they way some of the posts are going it well end up in a Liberal Vs Labor thread.
Calling a political leader Adolf and other names, wont help others take there post as a serious work place relations post, ends up looking more like political bashing thread.

I have already made 2 posts in this thread yesterday. i do enough posting now..lol.

Thankyou,at least I now know where you stand and you will appreciate I hope where I am coming from,being a past union sec/rep for twenty odd years.

It is important for members union or forum to state their views and I agree so long as they don't get to political,then it should be acceptable.

I for one will say don't talk about Adolph etc...stick to the topic...however a little political side track should be ok.

[MNM96]

Originally Posted by 347stroker

Adolph Howard is the lowet, most evil person to ever run this country in my opinion.
He is only riding on the back of the wealth and success of Hawke/Keating labour years, and now he is going to lay in the boot.....

The success of Hawke/Keating Labour years? Whats in your water? The only thing that Hawke said which he stood by was, when boss of the Union "If We don't get our way, We will BRING THIS COUNTRY TO ITS KNEE'S" There was a statement of truth, sure did make that happen, hey. We went from AAA rating with Malcom Fraiser (Which Party?) to Banana Republic with your mates Bob and Paul. When was the National Debt racked up? During the wealth and success of Hawke/ Keating labour years!
Why don't we all vote for the Cabbie Basher, or better yet Kim, no policy is better than a bad one, Beazley!
You must pass an IQ test to get most jobs, but not to vote!

Anyhow, the Cowboys won Again!

[347Stroker]

Originally Posted by MNM96

The success of Hawke/Keating Labour years? Whats in your water? The only thing that Hawke said which he stood by was, when boss of the Union "If We don't get our way, We will BRING THIS COUNTRY TO ITS KNEE'S" There was a statement of truth, sure did make that happen, hey. We went from AAA rating with Malcom Fraiser (Which Party?) to Banana Republic with your mates Bob and Paul. When was the National Debt racked up? During the wealth and success of Hawke/ Keating labour years!
Why don't we all vote for the Cabbie Basher, or better yet Kim, no policy is better than a bad one, Beazley!
You must pass an IQ test to get most jobs, but not to vote!

Anyhow, the Cowboys won Again!

And you dont think the floatation of the Australian dollar led to this....

Look, as I sit here and watch the news today, they have just said 100 of Howards staff are walking off the job today due to IR.......

Hows that for loyalty to the boss......

[Casper]

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

i am a Union Steward for NUW,

Dam thats a small world! My Brother is a big shot in the same Union. In fact based on where you work (in Vic state) I'd say he's probably your representative!

[csv8]

John McMaster. I am in Queensland. Public sector nurses, are covered by a Federal Award, and the private hospital nurses have a State Award. The QNU is my union.
"Combs out lads, lousy times ahead" Sergeant Schultz

[csv8]

XRFFPV8. I called Howard ,Adolph as he is dictatorial. From July 1 ,it will get worse. With control of the Senate, He will do what he likes, no checks and balances in place. Democracy ,as we know it ,will end. If you believe otherwise, sorry. But it will happen, rich will get richer and the poor poorer.

[Perana]

This isnt the first time that a Government has had a majority in both houses though.... They only have a 1 seat majority and it isnt that uncommon for some floor crossings as well....

I am also in an industry with no award (IT)... and looking at the pay rates in this industry they are mostly very reasonable also a lot of us are on contracts which bypass any anti dismissal laws anyway... these contracts are just getting more common... However some industries will not be like this..

Originally Posted by 347stroker

He is only riding on the back of the wealth and success of Hawke/Keating labour years

bwahahahaha if success is defined by massive interest rates and high foreign debt then i guess so....

[Quasi]

Originally Posted by John McMaster

I see you work in the ACT...a protected species no doubt?

So you make the assumption that I work in a particular industry, or work environment, because of what state I live in....talk about narrow minded.

Originally Posted by John McMaster

Quasi; you do live in your own little world don't you, get a grip on reality sport,there are ppl out there who do not have the smarts or experience to negotiate an AWA.

Not everyone has a tertiary education, me included. I got to where I am because I took what work I could get, and didn't let myself get taken advantage off. If that was happening I got a job somewhere else.

Let's get one thing clear, I don't like or agree with the PM....and I did not vote for him.

[bindi]

Originally Posted by Quasi

Let's get one thing clear, I don't like or agree with the PM....and I did not vote for him.

Same... not that I voted Labor either. The hippie in me just couldn't do it.

Bob Debus (our Federal local member - in the true sense of the word) shut down the maternity unit of our local hospital a few years ago. Women had to drive to Penrith (nearly an hour away) to a big ugly awful unfriendly hospital to have their babies, sometimes driving in dreadful conditions (snow, ice, rain, tourist traffic jams).

So then, after much debate, he decided that women were allowed to have their babies from Thursday to Sunday at the local hospital. Any other time, off to Penrith. After a fair few women gave birth in the emergency wing when they couldn't MAKE it to Penrith hospital, eventually the maternity ward was reopened.

So I will never vote Labor while that buttwad is our representative, but hate Liberal even more... it's the lesser of two evils I guess. But there's no longer that big a difference between them IMHO.

Oh is this too political?! Sorry to the mods!

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by bindi

So I will never vote Labor while that buttwad is our representative, but hate Liberal even more... it's the lesser of two evils I guess. But there's no longer that big a difference between them IMHO.

Oh is this too political?! Sorry to the mods!

Dosen't matter who you vote for you still get politicians.

Oops now I'm been political, back to the topic!

[MNM96]

Originally Posted by 347stroker

And you dont think the floatation of the Australian dollar led to this....

Look, as I sit here and watch the news today, they have just said 100 of Howards staff are walking off the job today due to IR.......

Hows that for loyalty to the boss......

I never said I agree with the IR changes, and truth be known, I have not even given them the time of day. I am in the well planned position of having a trade behind me, and therefore have some security.

I take great offence however at your statement. While John Howard is not popular, he has made the decisions which I believe were nessesary, to bring this country back towards where it needs to get. GST was a toughie, but ask your beloved Labour Party if they will be abolishing it as soon as they get in. Not Happening! Do you think you are worse off due to the implementation of the GST? I think not. The only reason the Libs have the Majority is due to the fact that the majority voted for them. There is a lot of the minority who did not vote for them!
I am a Lib Voter, but have voted for Beatty who is the Labour, QLD Premier, for the last two elections, because he has done a good job! Credit where credit is due! Which brings me back to the beginning, Hawke and Keating deserve nothing but Shame!!! out: out: out: 'Eff' 'em' I say, the UnAustralian Dogs!!!
PS, Ferarri did not win again : :the_finge

[Quasi]

Originally Posted by John McMaster

Thankyou,at least I now know where you stand and you will appreciate I hope where I am coming from,being a past union sec/rep for twenty odd years.

Should have known by all the socialist retoric.

Originally Posted by John McMaster

It is important for members union or forum to state their views and I agree so long as they don't get to political,then it should be acceptable.

I am a member of the Australian Ford Forum, not some stinking union, and as such I answered another post by a FORUM member, it had nothing to do with unions.

Originally Posted by John McMaster

I for one will say don't talk about Adolph etc...stick to the topic...however a little political side track should be ok.

Yeah, as long as no-one has an opposing opinion you're happy.

[Quasi]

Originally Posted by 347stroker

And you dont think the floatation of the Australian dollar led to this....

Look, as I sit here and watch the news today, they have just said 100 of Howards staff are walking off the job today due to IR.......

Hows that for loyalty to the boss......

I don't know where that came from, but the Department of Prime Minister & Cabinet, has around 600 users (public servants), and there has been nothing said about this internally.

[Quasi]

Originally Posted by Perana XR8

I am also in an industry with no award (IT)... and looking at the pay rates in this industry they are mostly very reasonable also a lot of us are on contracts which bypass any anti dismissal laws anyway... these contracts are just getting more common... However some industries will not be like this..

Exactly.

Unions don't like these non-union industries, because they don't make a buck. IT must be one of the few, if not the only, industry where good money can be earned (and in good conditions), without union interference to screw things up for the workers.

[Jamie XR6]

Originally Posted by Quasi

Exactly.

Unions don't like these non-union industries, because they don't make a buck. IT must be one of the few, if not the only, industry where good money can be earned, without union interference to screw things up for the workers.

That might be true, but remember, the benefits you enjoy at your workplace have all been hard won by unions somewhere in the past.

I've never belonged to a union in my 20 years in the workforce, but I recognise that my working conditions have all come about by unions working for a fair deal.

Love em or loath them, if it wasn't for them we'd be working in some terrible conditions.

[Quasi]

Mate, All union reps ever did for me was show me how well they **** into my bosses pocket. I spent 10 years in the building industry, and a lot of years in other union infected industries, and the best money and working conditions I ever had were in non union industries, fending for myself.

This is why political threads (I know it didn't start out this way) in any form are not welcome, and that, comrade McMaster, includes unionism.

I'm outta here for a while.....I used to enjoy this forum.

[347Stroker]

Originally Posted by MNM96

I never said I agree with the IR changes, and truth be known, I have not even given them the time of day. I am in the well planned position of having a trade behind me, and therefore have some security.

I take great offence however at your statement. While John Howard is not popular, he has made the decisions which I believe were nessesary, to bring this country back towards where it needs to get. GST was a toughie, but ask your beloved Labour Party if they will be abolishing it as soon as they get in. Not Happening! Do you think you are worse off due to the implementation of the GST? I think not. The only reason the Libs have the Majority is due to the fact that the majority voted for them. There is a lot of the minority who did not vote for them!
I am a Lib Voter, but have voted for Beatty who is the Labour, QLD Premier, for the last two elections, because he has done a good job! Credit where credit is due! Which brings me back to the beginning, Hawke and Keating deserve nothing but Shame!!! out: out: out: 'Eff' 'em' I say, the UnAustralian Dogs!!!
PS, Ferarri did not win again : :the_finge

I see you say you have a trade and therefore have some security...

Who do you think it was that fought hard for the awards that you currently enjoy.......

It was Bob and Paul....yes, thats right, and what has John done for manufacturing exports......you are not so safe in your trade mate....

The flotation of the Aussie dollar came out as a result of the Campbell enquiry, and Fraser didnt have the balls to do it, and it was the Hawke government that made the tough decisions to make Australia's future brighter....and now Howard is enjoying the fruits of their "Labour"...lol.

If you really want to know, it was also Hawke and Keating that really brought the unions into line, and consolidated the 'Unions", something that the unions still dont forgive them for...

As I see it, I have never known a leader that has been shown to be a liar as many times as our current leader, but he still has everyones faith..

The proposed new IR reforms will do nothing but drive down wages, conditions and job security......

Now thats got to be a positive step in everyones futures.....pmsl.....

[347Stroker]

I am not here to preach my beliefs in politics, and sometimes get a little carried away, but we really do need to look at the bigger picture here...

What are these reforms going to do for us all???

Do you all really realise what is up for you all to lose?
Do you want your holiday pay loading?
Do you want employer contributed superannuation?
Do you want penalty rates?
Do you want holidays?
Do you want sick leave?
Do you want a 38 hour week?
Do you want annual pay increases?
Do you want compassionate leave?
Do you want berevement leave?
Women, do you want job security, seeing pregnancy could hamper some bosses from employing you, seeing that they have to keep your job open for your maternity leave period?
Do you want the right to tell the boss, "no, I am not doing that task, its too unsafe"???

These are just a few points for you to think about guys, and dont believe it wont happen......its his plan.

Why would you want to throw away hard earned entitlements we have.....

Its just bloody un-australian