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24-03-2012, 11:53 AM | #151 | ||
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$200mil equates to roughly 12 weeks of Commodore sales. Not a lot really is it.
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24-03-2012, 12:04 PM | #152 | |||
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24-03-2012, 01:06 PM | #153 | ||||
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A high profile commentator over on gminsidenews who has very good contacts with GM has said this yesterday:
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24-03-2012, 01:09 PM | #154 | |||
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as much as i prefer ford to holden, the end of rwd commos can only be bad for australia. |
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24-03-2012, 01:18 PM | #155 | ||
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Waiting with interest to see the death stories from Drive, bet they have an entirely different spin...
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24-03-2012, 01:22 PM | #156 | ||
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be hard to spin massive job losses, even for drivel.
even if they assemble ckd cars here, the work force required would be dramatically reduced wouldnt it? |
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24-03-2012, 01:36 PM | #157 | ||
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Personally i dont think the buying public care enough anymore and any parochial sense towards our local ford and holden products has been dead for years. When you see the number of cheap Hyundai and Kia and Ssanyong and Great Wall branded cars on the roads..... It makes it very clear that the majority of the buying public dont give $!!:7 about driving dynamics or local engineering input. Cheap purchase price....long warranty and cheap running costs in the short term are at the forefront. Having a global FWD platform from Holden is not going to kill their sales and most people wont even tell the difference....
Investing in Holden now to save them from exiting altogether will be cheaper cor all involved in the long run. It takes more than 200mill to set up an operation when you have nothing at all and at least with a local op you still get some chance of limited local input. We need Holden to stay. The long term spin off will more than pay for the 200 mill investment.
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24-03-2012, 01:39 PM | #158 | |||
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24-03-2012, 01:53 PM | #159 | ||
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This is a good news.
On top of the employees of Holden, you have a plethora of suppliers who are almost dependent on Australian car manufacturing to stay alive. I think it's inevitable that Australian-only models will disappear, but car manufacturing is damn-well important. The short term cost of Centrelink providing people with their primary source of income will be horrendous and long term, some may also struggle to find work. $200,000,000 is really quite cheap given the range of people that are affected if manufacturing dies.
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24-03-2012, 03:07 PM | #160 | |||
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Sounds good to me, governemnt puts in 275M & GM put in 1B. The government has already increased investment in this country by 1B & that is even bofore we start talking about collecting compnay tax, personal income tax, carbn tax!! |
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24-03-2012, 03:29 PM | #161 | |||
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so they need the same work force as for Commodore and current Cruze.. |
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24-03-2012, 05:44 PM | #162 | |||
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24-03-2012, 06:01 PM | #163 | |||
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He did not & has not comfimred RWD. What he did say was a large seden was coming, but nothing about RWD!! |
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24-03-2012, 06:24 PM | #164 | |||
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24-03-2012, 06:39 PM | #165 | ||||
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Already started with the following article http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...322-1vmb4.html Quote:
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24-03-2012, 07:26 PM | #166 | ||
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There not saying much about this over at LS1.
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24-03-2012, 07:26 PM | #167 | ||
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Those people saying Australian manufacturing is dead take head:
1) one month ago Holden says we need $300 million or we're pulling out 2) Last week, the government agrees to $275 million funding and Holden agrees to stay for ten years and will in vest over $1 billion That absolutely punches holes in the logic that we need to spend huge to keep manufacturing here. If that's all it takes then hurry up and give Ford a similar deal and let's get on with making cars... |
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24-03-2012, 09:12 PM | #168 | |||
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If they can't get the numbers up to decent levels they will continue to be seriously up against it. |
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24-03-2012, 09:43 PM | #169 | ||
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They were openly talking about the Commodore being used as the NASCAR model for Chevy next year in the sprint cup, i'd say that goes a long way to confirming they will re-release of the production Models over there under the Chevy brand.
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24-03-2012, 10:06 PM | #170 | |||
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At the moment Ford seem to be testing the theory that if you tell people about your great products, they might start buying them.. We have to get past the doom and gloom of January and February and start talking with more confidence here and forget about death spirals... It looks like the suits are throwing serious cash behind advertising, they want Falcon to work because, there is no plan B - people need to get that. Last edited by jpd80; 24-03-2012 at 10:11 PM. |
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24-03-2012, 10:20 PM | #171 | |||
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That douchebag Hagon has totally blocked my comments on their site for the past few days. Talk about censorship.
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24-03-2012, 10:21 PM | #172 | |||
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How holden were able to reduce fuel consumption by 50% in their new Large FWD Vehicle. Designed and built here in Australia....... for Australian's!! |
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24-03-2012, 10:30 PM | #173 | |||
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Let the battle cry go out through the land..... Perhaps the 2016 Falcon stays RWD with Ecoboost I-4, a v6 diesel and a 420 hp 5.0 V8 for all the ex SS Commodore buyers.... |
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24-03-2012, 10:48 PM | #174 | |||
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Maybe if the Labour party could finally ditch their 19th century views, and actually promote business investment in Australia instead of trying to tax it to death, We would have more jobs, a larger tax base, and less incentive for companies to push revenue offshore. Australia SHOULD be one of the leading producers of Steel in the world. WE have the iron ore, the coal, and the gas, and it would be far cheaper to ship Steel around the world than the raw products. Plus it is a capital and technology intensive business rather than labour, so our higher labour costs would be more than offset. |
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so it stands to reason that it's better to keep the profit there than transfer it to Australia where it liable to 30% tax. Other places in Asia treat tax on export part sales differently to domestic retail. Quote:
1) Lower the tax rate to 25% to encourage compliance and disuade negative gearing. 2) Allow decent claims on capitol expenditure so that companies can buy new equipment instead band aiding maintenance regimes that attract deductions. Quote:
Australian steel exports face a very unbalanced playing field.. Last edited by jpd80; 24-03-2012 at 11:16 PM. |
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24-03-2012, 11:23 PM | #176 | |||
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I saw a current model Mondeo Titanium today. Looked hot. I liked the size of it too, and I was thinking, if the next gen Falcon was that size, RWD with a choice of EBI4T, 3.5 V6 and 3.5 EB and 5.0 for FPV's, it would surely be a winner. But it would have to be a global vehicle and have the requisite levels of equipment and fit and finish.
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24-03-2012, 11:28 PM | #177 | |||
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Surely the redneck patriotic Chevy Nascar fans would go mental? I'll believe it when I see it. |
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24-03-2012, 11:33 PM | #178 | |||
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24-03-2012, 11:39 PM | #179 | |||
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Just because they may release it in the US, which I find highly doubtful, does not mean it will be their Nascar as it is a RWD V8. They based their assumptions that the Commodore will be exported there because of that Nascar rumour too. And all they said was that a new Chevrolet model will form the basis of their Nascar. It could be anything. As always with these journos its take 1+1 and get 50. |
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24-03-2012, 11:43 PM | #180 | ||
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Geelong is currently set up as an I-6 engine production line, what changes would be needed
to adapt it to I-4 Ecoboost or I-4 diesel and could it be done effectively without costing the earth? |
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