US Elections - Boring or Important to Aust? - Page 56

Trump · 28-03-2017, 11:47 AM

Now this is interesting. Trump apparently handed Germany a bill for NATO-related costs borne by the US:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ge...ence-dl7dk629k

It's behind a pay wall though.

zipping · 28-03-2017, 01:53 PM

Worth a read

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2661...iel-greenfield

There are no cannons or cavalry charges. The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule. Political conflicts become civil wars when one side refuses to accept the existing authority. The left has rejected all forms of authority that it doesn’t control.

The left has rejected the outcome of the last two presidential elections won by Republicans. It has rejected the judicial authority of the Supreme Court when it decisions don’t accord with its agenda. It rejects the legislative authority of Congress when it is not dominated by the left.

It rejected the Constitution so long ago that it hardly bears mentioning.

It was for total unilateral executive authority under Obama. And now it’s for states unilaterally deciding what laws they will follow. (As long as that involves defying immigration laws under Trump, not following them under Obama.) It was for the sacrosanct authority of the Senate when it held the majority. Then it decried the Senate as an outmoded institution when the Republicans took it over.

It was for Obama defying the orders of Federal judges, no matter how well grounded in existing law, and it is for Federal judges overriding any order by Trump on any grounds whatsoever. It was for Obama penalizing whistleblowers, but now undermining the government from within has become “patriotic”.

CoupeKing · 29-03-2017, 12:32 AM

General 'Mad Dog' Mattis on the recent airstrike/bombing in Mosul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvWqtB1PR5Y

It also appears that for any airstrike to be given the green-light, 2 commanders must agree on the target - one from the U.S and the other on the ground from Iraqi forces.
And 200+ more troops from the 82nd Airborne Division are heading to Iraq/Mosul.

Jeff Sessions throwing the hammer down on sanctuary cities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vteY...GkiGYNgQOBXgCA

Looks like they will turn the lights out!

Trump signing more bills:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnnEGeUDwCU

And seems they will be going after Hillary or her entourage again - wait and see on that one.

Also Trump will be making an announcement about FORD over the next few hours.

I couldn't believe this. Trumps son announced his partner was pregnant, unborn it was already getting attacked, typical. She was one of the Libs that started crying on election night.

http://www.refinery29.com/2017/03/14...andler-twitter

Sucks to be her, just announced it's going to be a boy )

jpblue1000 · 29-03-2017, 05:47 AM

Freedom of speech is a tenant of the north American people. Works both ways the obamas received their share, so has every public person. There is always someone who doesn't like you, and for people in the public eye, who benefit from being in the public eye, like moat of the trumps, play with fire and sometimes you get burnt. Have the dignity to ignore thebtrolls and bullies, dont reply, respond or get hurt...words cant hurt you...oh hang on isn't that the anti 18c argument, probably same people here wanting to abandon 18c are up in arms about a twitter jibe!
Strange world!

**FairmontGS** · 29-03-2017, 10:00 AM

Probe into Russian connections gets nearer to source!!

Now we know why Trump panicked about the Russia probe..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.96e56a6eaf13

It's official - worst rated president ever!!

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/firs...-start-n739386

Trump · 29-03-2017, 10:08 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The whole Trump saga isn't about an incompetent presidency nor is it about the left having the biggest sook they were thrown into the outer. This is about the destruction of the US republic, whether it is Trump's doing or at the hands of the military industrial complex is irrelevant.

Rodp · 29-03-2017, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

And seems they will be going after Hillary or her entourage again - wait and see on that one.

Subterfuge. It's all he knows to do, attack an opponent he no longer has in order to take the focus away from the abomination that is his Presidency. Go out and campaign so he can find the few nutters left that think he's doing a good job.

There's only one candidate that's currently under investigation by the FBI and it ain't Hillary.

CoupeKing · 29-03-2017, 03:24 PM

Oh Yeah? Lets see about that:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORRJvgsXHBs

Mercury Bullet · 29-03-2017, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipping

Worth a read

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2661...iel-greenfield

There are no cannons or cavalry charges. The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule. Political conflicts become civil wars when one side refuses to accept the existing authority. The left has rejected all forms of authority that it doesn’t control.

The left has rejected the outcome of the last two presidential elections won by Republicans. It has rejected the judicial authority of the Supreme Court when it decisions don’t accord with its agenda. It rejects the legislative authority of Congress when it is not dominated by the left.

It rejected the Constitution so long ago that it hardly bears mentioning.

It was for total unilateral executive authority under Obama. And now it’s for states unilaterally deciding what laws they will follow. (As long as that involves defying immigration laws under Trump, not following them under Obama.) It was for the sacrosanct authority of the Senate when it held the majority. Then it decried the Senate as an outmoded institution when the Republicans took it over.

It was for Obama defying the orders of Federal judges, no matter how well grounded in existing law, and it is for Federal judges overriding any order by Trump on any grounds whatsoever. It was for Obama penalizing whistleblowers, but now undermining the government from within has become “patriotic”.

And...

This sort of thing has been going on since politics was invented.

Mercury Bullet · 29-03-2017, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodp

Subterfuge. It's all he knows to do, attack an opponent he no longer has in order to take the focus away from the abomination that is his Presidency. Go out and campaign so he can find the few nutters left that think he's doing a good job.

There's only one candidate that's currently under investigation by the FBI and it ain't Hillary.

Someone gets it!

**FairmontGS** · 29-03-2017, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trump

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The whole Trump saga isn't about an incompetent presidency nor is it about the left having the biggest sook they were thrown into the outer. This is about the destruction of the US republic, whether it is Trump's doing or at the hands of the military industrial complex is irrelevant.

Fake Trump!!

**FairmontGS** · 29-03-2017, 03:58 PM

The epic fails keep mounting - the wall that never was, health repeal, immigration bans 1 and 2... what can Trump not achieve next?

Tax reform of course!!

http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-t...27-gv7u9d.html

Peterwl · 29-03-2017, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipping

Worth a read

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2661...iel-greenfield

There are no cannons or cavalry charges. The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule. Political conflicts become civil wars when one side refuses to accept the existing authority. The left has rejected all forms of authority that it doesn’t control.

The left has rejected the outcome of the last two presidential elections won by Republicans. It has rejected the judicial authority of the Supreme Court when it decisions don’t accord with its agenda. It rejects the legislative authority of Congress when it is not dominated by the left.

It rejected the Constitution so long ago that it hardly bears mentioning.

It was for total unilateral executive authority under Obama. And now it’s for states unilaterally deciding what laws they will follow. (As long as that involves defying immigration laws under Trump, not following them under Obama.) It was for the sacrosanct authority of the Senate when it held the majority. Then it decried the Senate as an outmoded institution when the Republicans took it over.

It was for Obama defying the orders of Federal judges, no matter how well grounded in existing law, and it is for Federal judges overriding any order by Trump on any grounds whatsoever. It was for Obama penalizing whistleblowers, but now undermining the government from within has become “patriotic”.

Excellent article !

A little bit too in depth for some posters / Ford forum trolls that frequent this thread.

CoupeKing · 29-03-2017, 04:09 PM

Another win for Team Trump.

Illegal border crossings down to a 5 year low in the first month, It's actually over 50% for march - won't even need a wall at this rate!!!

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/...6631489075068/

Trump · 29-03-2017, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Fake Trump!!

Or am I the real Trump and I just blew your mind...

CoupeKing · 29-03-2017, 05:26 PM

Did not expect this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gapRNpEjXUo

**Ross 1** · 29-03-2017, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Another win for Team Trump.

Illegal border crossings down to a 5 year low in the first month, It's actually over 50% for march - won't even need a wall at this rate!!!

Because Mexico is looking like a better option.

**FairmontGS** · 29-03-2017, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trump

Or am I the real Trump and I just blew your mind...

Oooh the ol' double-double-double fake Trump. 3rd time I've fallen for it this week!

CoupeKing · 29-03-2017, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross 1

Because Mexico is looking like a better option.

Yeah true. All the celebrities said they would move there, oh no wait, that was Canada - they didn't even move there.

**FairmontGS** · 29-03-2017, 05:51 PM

Looks like they were right - Trump barely literate!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGuJlTVXfw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs5r-HpGcA0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz4gpBH2n-E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybp1alenryo

CoupeKing · 29-03-2017, 06:13 PM

Trumps already got a nickname, they're calling him the BOOSTER!!

The amount of hope he injects into companies and prospective investors, and the break-neck-speed in which he's sealing deals in 2 months, who otherwise would have simmered away on the back-burner is miraculous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM1qCEgJNrU

**FairmontGS** · 29-03-2017, 06:22 PM

Illiteracy and inability to communicate indicates that Trump may well be an alien!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b07112b6472f77

Rodp · 29-03-2017, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Trumps already got a nickname, they're calling him the BOOSTER!!

Should be the BULL****TER.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...e-during-obama

Rodp · 29-03-2017, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Illiteracy and inability to communicate indicates that Trump may well be an alien!!

Trump LOVES the poorly educated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fTs...dex=46&list=WL

mcflux · 29-03-2017, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipping

The hard question is did you hold Obama/Democrats or anyone on the left to the same standards you seek to impose on Trump through your criticisms of him?

Only you can answer that but I suspect that the answer is no.

It's the side that matters and not the principle,

Civilian deaths due to drone/air strikes under any Administration are reprehensible.

What's your answer on civilian deaths due to drone/air strikes?

I can't help but notice you didn't denounce civilian killings in your last two responses.

**FairmontGS** · 29-03-2017, 06:54 PM

‘Trump is setting us free:’ White supremacists celebrate reports that Trump will dial down scrutiny

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-is-s...y-136039e12fad

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1314...te-supremacist

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7558796.html

zipping · 29-03-2017, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcflux

Civilian deaths due to drone/air strikes under any Administration are reprehensible.

What's your answer on civilian deaths due to drone/air strikes?

I can't help but notice you didn't denounce civilian killings in your last two responses.

Why would i need an answer? I'm not the one seeking to use the deaths of civilians to attack a political figure without my facts straight.

As I understand it this wasn't the Americans fault if you have info that refutes this post it.

I also note you haven't withdrawn your childish rant accusing Trump of being responsible.

In other news an Obama aid seems to admit the previous admin did spy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I89EMDZ0dsc

however, since you asked drone strikes most likely engages cutting edge technology to be as accurate as possible. Do civilian deaths occur? Yes and that's unfortunate. However, of all the war tools its probably a lot better in limiting civilian deaths than conventional weapons. Presumably, they drop weapons closer to the target because they are smaller and possibly can flow lower than conventional war planes avoiding radar and SAM's.

If your argument is that drones should not be used due to civilian deaths then it would follow that you would be against any weapons.

Which would make you an appeaser.

I'm not.

If war must be waged then morally drones are likely best choice but I am no expert.

**FairmontGS** · 29-03-2017, 07:01 PM

Trump claims FoMoCo jobs boost even though decision was made in 2015 under Obama!!

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...htmlstory.html

And Ford thinks Trump is a goose anyway!!

http://www.vox.com/new-money/2017/2/...tech-companies

zipping · 29-03-2017, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Trump claims FoMoCo jobs boost even though decision was made in 2015 under Obama!!

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...htmlstory.html
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Its fairly standard practice to claim short term success if memory serves CAT was the company Obama used.

But this post just proves the point that its way too early to judge the Trump era.

Mostly, if America does well the world does well.

Politics aside, barracking for (let alone fallaciously celebrating) a failed Trump presidency is self defeating (as it would be for the Obama era).

mcflux · 29-03-2017, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipping

Why would i need an answer? I'm not the one seeking to use the deaths of civilians to attack a political figure without my facts straight.

As I understand it this wasn't the Americans fault if you have info that refutes this post it.

I also note you haven't withdrawn your childish rant accusing Trump of being responsible.

It's still under investigation, but here's a recent (hours-old) article outlining the US' potential role in these particular civilian deaths: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/28/politi...sul-civilians/

Quote:

In other news an Obama aid seems to admit the previous admin did spy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I89EMDZ0dsc

however, since you asked drone strikes most likely engages cutting edge technology to be as accurate as possible. Do civilian deaths occur? Yes and that's unfortunate. However, of all the war tools its probably a lot better in limiting civilian deaths than conventional weapons. Presumably, they drop weapons closer to the target because they are smaller and possibly can flow lower than conventional war planes avoiding radar and SAM's.

Regardless, collateral should be unacceptable.

Quote:

If your argument is that drones should not be used due to civilian deaths then it would follow that you would be against any weapons.

An invalid assumption using flawed logic.

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Which would make you an appeaser.

I'm not.

If war must be waged then morally drones are likely best choice but I am no expert.

Morally, quality military intelligence is what I'd put money on.