Victorian Road Toll - 2023 Worst year for road deaths since 2008

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Hey, someone got to pay for Victoria's spiraling debt.

It's us taxpayers. Have you seen how much stamp duty costs here? And retroactive payroll tax?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

It's us taxpayers. Have you seen how much stamp duty costs here? And retroactive payroll tax?

Remember when the Feds first wanted to introduce the GST, everyone was up in arms, with the governments of the day claiming don't worry it will replace all those hidden state taxes.

Surprised we don't pay GST on the stamp duty and stamp duty on the GST.

[Citroënbender]

As Hayseed would have said, “Don’t go Giving the Rsoles Any Ideas”

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Remember when the Feds first wanted to introduce the GST, everyone was up in arms, with the governments of the day claiming don't worry it will replace all those hidden state taxes.

Surprised we don't pay GST on the stamp duty and stamp duty on the GST.

Stamp duty is a pain in the *** tax too on things like property, because it disincentivises you to move around, you'd cop a pretty serious hit if you sold your property and bought another to move into in another area and you did this say every few years to capitalise on opportunities in other areas.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Seems the “hill rule” was in a previous lifetime!
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-ru...l-in-victoria/

Interesting. I never knew such a thing existed. I got sin binned at the bottom of a hill around this time.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Stamp duty is a pain in the *** tax too on things like property, because it disincentivises you to move around, you'd cop a pretty serious hit if you sold your property and bought another to move into in another area and you did this say every few years to capitalise on opportunities in other areas.

By my 30th birthday I had paid over $100k in stamp duty to the Dictator to keep the safe injecting rooms open. Why don't I live in Queensland again? I wouldn't even have to remember another town name!

[kevino]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

same only 38 years and I was a courier once !
Never saw it on the Old Hume Hwy between Benalla and Wangaratta, 100km zone done for 102km but points don't worry me in Vic. NSW licence.

Law states if you spend more than 3 months per year in NSW you must have one there.

It was fun during the pandemic explaining the Vic plates and NSW licence.

Geeze we have some stupid laws in this country.

So are you saying…
Demerit points won in Vic don’t go against your NSW license?
Do you have a Vic licence?

Don’t the points get linked as it were between states

What does this mean for me
As you know nsw throws on double demerit points each holiday and long weekend period
If I get a ticket in say Byron the points don’t go against my Qld license?

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Stamp duty is a pain in the *** tax too on things like property, because it disincentivises you to move around, you'd cop a pretty serious hit if you sold your property and bought another to move into in another area and you did this say every few years to capitalise on opportunities in other areas.

If you build you only pay stamp duty on the land, not the house

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

If you build you only pay stamp duty on the land, not the house

Counter productive though because the time it takes you to build its disincentivises you to move around.

You should be able to sell your house in Melbourne and move to a regional capital without incurring stamp duty at all, more people would be mobile and it would encourage decentralisation of our capital cities.

Rather than pay 6 figures in stamp duty to capitalise on opportunities in other areas of the state, you'd just stay in Melbourne and forgo those opportunities, who the ****s going to pay 6 figures stamp duty for a career opportunity.

If that cost wasn't there you'd see people more willing to be mobile and move around rather than establish themselves in an area then stay there until retirement.

Makes it very difficult for regional areas to attract talent/skills, thats why they're calling for visas to force migrants out to regional areas for X amount of time, but all thats going to do is they'll go out for the minimum period then move back to Melbourne.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

If you build you only pay stamp duty on the land, not the house

That's true, but I decided against it. New build houses are overpriced and usually not the best quality. I guess the equation changes depending on the area you are in, but for the areas I own property in it's not really worth it to build new.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Counter productive though because the time it takes you to build its disincentivises you to move around.

You should be able to sell your house in Melbourne and move to a regional capital without incurring stamp duty at all, more people would be mobile and it would encourage decentralisation of our capital cities.

Rather than pay 6 figures in stamp duty to capitalise on opportunities in other areas of the state, you'd just stay in Melbourne and forgo those opportunities, who the ****s going to pay 6 figures stamp duty for a career opportunity.

If that cost wasn't there you'd see people more willing to be mobile and move around rather than establish themselves in an area then stay there until retirement.

Makes it very difficult for regional areas to attract talent/skills, thats why they're calling for visas to force migrants out to regional areas for X amount of time, but all thats going to do is they'll go out for the minimum period then move back to Melbourne.

That last paragraph is exactly what happens here.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

That's true, but I decided against it. New build houses are overpriced and usually not the best quality. I guess the equation changes depending on the area you are in, but for the areas I own property in it's not really worth it to build new.

But they are a better investment if you are providing a rental

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

If you build you only pay stamp duty on the land, not the house

But you pay GST on the build!

[CyberWasp]

Franco, why would the Govt make it easy for people to move and buy properties, who would then employ locals to renovate those properties and inject cash flow into the economy with tax paid on wages and gst on purchased items to improve the property ect.

That would be silly as they would raise more in tax in a positive way, than in preventing all this with stamp duty.

All we need are governments that know how to run a business successfully and work for the greater good of the community.
Instead we have groups of numskulls, that couldn't run a Mr Whippy Van at a profit on a busy beach in the middle of summer with no competition.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

But you pay GST on the build!

Didn't know that, we built new in 2015 and never paid GST, after Googling, it looks like it came in in 2018 - unreal

[Franco Cozzo]

Police in NSW, Victoria detect close to 30,000 traffic offences over holiday period

Police continue to warn motorists to exercise safety, after detecting close to 30,000 offences on the road over the Christmas period – and a rising road toll.

Authorities in Victoria said they detected 668 drunk driving and 535 drug driving offences during the period, while 921 motorists were found to have violated mobile phone laws.

Meanwhile 1728 unregistered vehicles were detected by Victorian authorities, as well as 704 unlicensed and 644 disqualified or suspended drivers, 828 motorists in violation of traffic signs or signals and 374 seatbelt offences.

Victoria Police also says it impounded 438 vehicles.

“Despite our warnings of a significant focus on alcohol and drug testing over the period, this did not appear to deter some motorists, with more than 1000 caught for drink or drug driving offences – this remains a major concern to us," Victoria Police's Road Policing Assistant Commissioner, Glenn Weir, said in a media statement.

In New South Wales, police say 10,074 offences were recorded over its holiday-period operation – 12:01am 22 December 2023 to 11:59pm 1 January 2024 – during which time double demerit points for speeding, mobile phone, seatbelt and motorcycle helmet offences were in force.

NSW Police says 8069 speed infringements, 631 drunk driving offences and 1374 drug driving violations were tallied over the period.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/nsw-vi...-30k-offences/

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

I didn't realise the posted speed limits didn't apply on a hill: either accelerating before it to maintain my speed up it or on the other side as I make my way down again. Don't want to wear out my brake pads unnecessarily.

Thanks AFF, you've taught me something new once again

[Trendseeker]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

I didn't realise the posted speed limits didn't apply on a hill: either accelerating before it to maintain my speed up it or on the other side as I make my way down again. Don't want to wear out my brake pads unnecessarily.

Thanks AFF, you've taught me something new once again

That one was reinforced on my driving test. At the old Miranda motor registry, I turned right and went down the hill at President Ave. I was a bit nervous, driving a manual and didn’t want to have to change down a gear going up the other side. At the bottom of the hill, the examiner leaned across and checked the speedo - 70kmh. Right, he said, go around the block and back to the registry. When we got back he told me I’d failed and asked me what the speed limit was. After giving the correct answer of 60kmh, he booked me in for another test for the next week. Cheapest speeding offence ever (for me).

[Trendseeker]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.drive.com.au/news/nsw-vi...-30k-offences/

I don’t doubt it, but they must be out in the regional areas because I’ve seen no police vehicles while I’ve been out and about around Sydney and the Illawarra in the past 2 weeks.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by kevino

So are you saying…
Demerit points won in Vic don’t go against your NSW license?
Do you have a Vic licence?

Don’t the points get linked as it were between states

Yes, exactly what I'm saying and no they are not linked.

In Australia you are only allowed to hold one licence and according these idiots that run the whole show, only live in one place.

re the land only stamp duty subject. I bought cheap land, built a cheap cabin myself, designed to be able to be transported in 2 parts to another piece of cheap stamp duty land.

There's plenty of ways around their bullsh*t requirements.
As for the roads, I like to stay off them this time of year.

When we were living full time on the road, Christmas and Easter was our time to find a non touristy bolthole.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yes, exactly what I'm saying and no they are not linked.

In Australia you are only allowed to hold one licence and according these idiots that run the whole show, only live in one place.

re the land only stamp duty subject. I bought cheap land, built a cheap cabin myself, designed to be able to be transported in 2 parts to another piece of cheap stamp duty land.

There's plenty of ways around their bullsh*t requirements.
As for the roads, I like to stay off them this time of year.

When we were living full time on the road, Christmas and Easter was our time to find a non touristy bolthole.

This is from the NSW Gov Website:

“Demerit points can be accrued while driving anywhere in Australia. If you commit an offence outside NSW, the number of demerit points that the offence attracts in NSW may still be applied to your licence.”

http://https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/demerits-penalties-and-offences/how-demerit-points-work#:~:text=Demerit%20points%20can%20be%20accrued ,be%20applied%20to%20your%20licence.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yes, exactly what I'm saying and no they are not linked.

In Australia you are only allowed to hold one licence and according these idiots that run the whole show, only live in one place.

re the land only stamp duty subject. I bought cheap land, built a cheap cabin myself, designed to be able to be transported in 2 parts to another piece of cheap stamp duty land.

There's plenty of ways around their bullsh*t requirements.
As for the roads, I like to stay off them this time of year.

When we were living full time on the road, Christmas and Easter was our time to find a non touristy bolthole.

So nothings changed since 1989
I lost my nsw license for doing 150 odd on the Hume.
Walked into a vic registry and got a vic license was living in Melb,

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by kevino

So nothings changed since 1989
I lost my nsw license for doing 150 odd on the Hume.
Walked into a vic registry and got a vic license was living in Melb,

Had a mate that did exactly that circa 2000. Lost it in NSW.
Walked into Vic Roads and got a Vic licence.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

This is from the NSW Gov Website:

“Demerit points can be accrued while driving anywhere in Australia. If you commit an offence outside NSW, the number of demerit points that the offence attracts in NSW may still be applied to your licence.”

http://https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/demerits-penalties-and-offences/how-demerit-points-work#:~:text=Demerit%20points%20can%20be%20accrued ,be%20applied%20to%20your%20licence.

Similar thing on the Vic roads website:

Interstate licences and interstate driving

What if I have an interstate licence?

If you hold an interstate driver licence or learner permit, VicRoads may send the interstate licensing authority details of any driving offences that you commit in Victoria which may impact your interstate licence.

What if I commit an offence while driving interstate?

If you hold a Victorian driver licence or learner permit and commit a driving offence interstate, the interstate licensing authority may send VicRoads the details of the offence which may impact your Victorian driver licence or learner permit.

Lots of 'mays' in both those quotes. I take it rw's experience indicates that the may is not regularly enforced. I wonder what the trigger is for the offences to be reported to other authorities?

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Had a mate that did exactly that circa 2000. Lost it in NSW.
Walked into Vic Roads and got a Vic licence.

Difference now is that the systems are linked to stop this happening. I think there is only limited access, but they do have access.

I will check with a mate of mine who is a highway patrol copper

[kevino]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Similar thing on the Vic roads website:



Lots of 'mays' in both those quotes. I take it rw's experience indicates that the may is not regularly enforced. I wonder what the trigger is for the offences to be reported to other authorities?

Hasn’t the whole thingy been privatised in Vic
So if there no $ in it the privatised body won’t refer points interstate

???

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by kevino

Hasn’t the whole thingy been privatised in Vic
So if there no $ in it the privatised body won’t refer points interstate

???

It's a joint venture, technically.

But, given the demerit points weren't shared prior to the jv coming in to play, I don't think that's the determining factor in this instance.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by kevino

Hasn’t the whole thingy been privatised in Vic
So if there no $ in it the privatised body won’t refer points interstate

???

Parts of Vicroads has been privatised, not all, but I don't know which parts

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

This is from the NSW Gov Website:

“Demerit points can be accrued while driving anywhere in Australia. If you commit an offence outside NSW, the number of demerit points that the offence attracts in NSW may still be applied to your licence.”

http://https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/demerits-penalties-and-offences/how-demerit-points-work#:~:text=Demerit%20points%20can%20be%20accrued ,be%20applied%20to%20your%20licence.

The operative word being MAY, they really have no means of doing such unless it was a serious driving offence committed in both states.

What you posred doesn't allow for differing out of state number plates. If you have vehicles registered in Victoria, the Vic speed camera is going to send the fine to the garaged address and owner not the driver. The computer system have no way of linking the driver to the registered owner, let alone passing it onto another state authority.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Parts of Vicroads has been privatised, not all, but I don't know which parts

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/abou...-modernisation

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/about-vicroads

Registration, licencing and custom plates services will continue to be provided to the community under the VicRoads brand. The joint venture partnership is about modernising VicRoads technology and to offer a greater range of online and digital services for Victorians.