VFacts November 2013

[Spammy]

What is a Denis Eagle ?? Some sort of specialist truck?

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

years ago the figures for tezzas were consistanly over 2000 units per month.

Think he means this year. So yes it was beating June by 10 units.

[TheSneakiness]

Originally Posted by stevz

What a pointless comparison. Unless you hadn't noticed, we are on an automotive forum and we are discussing cars, not shoes.

Not really. You may not admit it but in every post about this time of month you belt your horn about how everyone HAS TO buy a Falcon or Commodore and everything else is garbage.

The dribble coming out of your head and onto your keyboard is garbage. Seriously just shut up. Keep your blind eye to your cars and deal with the downward trend.

Simple perception of everyones (being people who don't frequent car forums and actually buy cars) thinking, not just people here.

Falcon = Taxi
Commodore = Bogan Mobile

[csv8]

Rapid Axe : Camry = Cardigan..

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Ford
Ford Escape 0
Ford Falcon 1,227
Ford Falcon Ute 413
Ford Fiesta 540
Ford Focus 1,477
Ford Kuga 432
Ford Mondeo 172
Ford Ranger 4X2 513
Ford Ranger 4X4 1501
Ford Territory 1,584
Ford Transit 14
Ford Transit Bus 0
Ford Transit Heavy 41
Ford Total 7,914

Australian Made Fords = 3224 vehicle....40+% of ALL Fords sold.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Think he means this year. So yes it was beating June by 10 units.

Think you need to read! Please read what was said and tell me if my quote made sense.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Think you need to read! Please read what was said and tell me if my quote made sense.

No need to get your knickers in a twist. I've read and taken it both ways and it was a fair while back when terri was pushing over 2000 units.

[csv8]

BMW 1,721.. the 1 must be my daughters!!!!
Not good figures for the Fiesta ?

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by borough

There is no Australian car company to get patriotic about. Of the 3 companies that manufacture here two are American and one Japanese.

these 3 keep more Australians in jobs than all the others put together, regardless of weather they are owned here or not. and two of them have been in our culture for nearly a hundred years. it's as Australian as we can get and will get.
So we are better of buying falcons commodores camry's Territories and cruzes than imported stuff that props up somebody elses economy and takes money out of ours

[I6DOHC]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Australian Made Fords = 3224 vehicle....40+% of ALL Fords sold.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Precisely.

And come 2016 you can put a line through those sales. To me a real story plays out in these numbers:

Mondeo = 172
Falcon (Sedan) = 1227
Total Large RWD platform (including Ute/Terry) = 3224

Based on those numbers I know I can't completely reconcile the logic for putting a line through them in favour of the mid-size brigade.

Those Mondeo numbers have got to be a major concern? This is the vehicle with all the gadgets & 'European' status behind it and all with the Falcon being treated like the unloved orphan child.

[Spammy]

Originally Posted by I6DOHC

Precisely.

And come 2016 you can put a line through those sales. To me a real story plays out in these numbers:

Mondeo = 172
Falcon (Sedan) = 1227
Total Large RWD platform (including Ute/Terry) = 3224

Based on those numbers I know I can't completely reconcile the logic for putting a line through them in favour of the mid-size brigade.

How many Modeos are sold worldwide? Likewise how many Mazda3/I30/you name it are sold globally??

A low volume/low margn (no margin) car in a small market does not make any sense (except to some people on this forum)

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by vztrt

No need to get your knickers in a twist. I've read and taken it both ways and it was a fair while back when terri was pushing over 2000 units.

I didn't mean to sound agitated. its al good. And I wasn't having a shot at the other chap either. I like reading his post cause they make sense. like the general public, there are people on this forums that make sense but heaps are nowhere

[Wretched]

Some more figures


Ford 2013 2012
Ford Escape 0 35
Ford Falcon 1,227 1,206
Ford Falcon Ute 413 444
Ford Fiesta 540 894
Ford Focus 1,477 1,920
Ford Kuga 432 61
Ford Mondeo 172 353
Ford Ranger 4X2 513 623
Ford Ranger 4X4 1,501 1,564
Ford Territory 1,584 1,296
Ford Transit 14 48
Ford Transit Bus 0 9
Ford Transit Heavy 41 76
Ford Total 7,914 8,529

Change -7.2%

Holden 2013 2012
Holden Barina 783 1,021
Holden Barina Spark 242 75
Holden Caprice 160 95
Holden Captiva 5 540 673
Holden Captiva 7 993 983
Holden Colorado 4X2 274 410
Holden Colorado 4X4 1,130 1,546
Holden Colorado 7 100 0
Holden Combo 0 34
Holden Commodore 3,097 2,659
Holden Cruze 1,846 2,115
Holden Epica 0 0
Holden Malibu 168 0
Holden Monaro 0 0
Holden Trax 486 0
Holden Utility 4X2 655 703
Holden Volt 3 40
Holden Total 10,477 10,354

Change 1.2%

Hyundai 2013 2012
Hyundai Accent 390 541
Hyundai Elantra 761 655
Hyundai Grandeur 0 0
Hyundai i20 1,204 1,814
Hyundai i30 3,157 1,886
Hyundai i40 159 271
Hyundai I45 0 236
Hyundai iLOAD 370 392
Hyundai iMAX 126 120
Hyundai ix35 1,491 889
Hyundai Santa Fe 577 575
Hyundai Veloster 295 377
Hyundai Total 8,530 7,756

Change 10%

Jeep 2013 2012
Jeep Cherokee 0 258
Jeep Compass 364 230
Jeep Grand Cherokee 1,405 880
Jeep Patriot 193 165
Jeep Wrangler 214 180
Jeep Total 2,176 1,713

Change 27%

Mazda 2013 2012
Mazda BT-50 4X2 394 316
Mazda BT-50 4X4 717 577
Mazda CX-5 1,700 1,637
Mazda CX-7 0 2
Mazda CX-9 325 341
Mazda MX5 13 22
Mazda RX8 0 0
Mazda2 1,046 1,561
Mazda3 3,666 3,703
Mazda6 538 573
Mazda Total 8,399 8,732

Change -3.8%

Toyota 2013 2012
Toyota 86 391 187
Toyota Aurion 607 1,011
Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 2,375 3,145
Toyota Coaster 24 20
Toyota Corolla 3,894 4,190
Toyota FJ Cruiser 179 220
Toyota Hiace Bus 166 208
Toyota Hiace Van 594 503
Toyota Hilux 4X2 980 871
Toyota Hilux 4X4 2,388 2,188
Toyota Kluger 1,144 1,013
Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 499 650
Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 554 847
Toyota Prado 1,235 1,236
Toyota Prius 45 64
Toyota Prius C 161 159
Toyota Prius V 69 158
Toyota RAV4 1,549 1,101
Toyota Rukus 24 62
Toyota Tarago 103 84
Toyota Yaris 1,117 1,395
Toyota Total 18,098 19,312

Change -6.3%

Volkswagen 2013 2012
Volkswagen Amarok 4X2 25 53
Volkswagen Amarok 4X4 709 602
Volkswagen Caddy Van 100 144
Volkswagen Caddy/Camper 22 28
Volkswagen Caravelle 8 19
Volkswagen CC 36 71
Volkswagen Crafter 18 78
Volkswagen Eos 26 37
Volkswagen Golf 2,069 992
Volkswagen Golf Cabriolet 36 53
Volkswagen Jetta 129 120
Volkswagen Multivan 74 77
Volkswagen New Beetle Cabrio 0 0
Volkswagen Passat 402 212
Volkswagen Passat Alltrack 72 95
Volkswagen Polo 445 827
Volkswagen Scirocco 46 48
Volkswagen The Beetle 57 0
Volkswagen Tiguan 447 527
Volkswagen Touareg 138 168
Volkswagen Transporter 89 135
Volkswagen Up! 29 84
Volkswagen Total 4,977 4,370

Change 13.9%

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by DJM83

So your saying force people to buy aussie made stuff? That will work

Im all for some king of incentive for people to buy aussie made stuff (doubt it would ever happen though)
Just because aussie buy imported stuff doesn't make them less aussie compared to someone that does.
Anyone would think they are spending your money. No one cares what you spend your coin on so why do you care what others do with theirs.

I don't agree with forcing people to buy anything in particular, but I do somewhat disagree with not buying Australian. Australians are normally proud of the fact that They/we are Australian and therefore are proud of Australian stuff be that the Kangaroos winning the Rugby League World Cup to our very own Falcon's roaming the streets, so to an extent you are less proud of being Australian if you settle for or buy an imported anything.
But hey that is my view not everybody's, and people who won't buy a Falcon or Commodore because it is a bogan car only serve to prove that theory

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by tezxr8man

I don't agree with forcing people to buy anything in particular, but I do somewhat disagree with not buying Australian. Australians are normally proud of the fact that They/we are Australian and therefore are proud of Australian stuff be that the Kangaroos winning the Rugby League World Cup to our very own Falcon's roaming the streets, so to an extent you are less proud of being Australian if you settle for or buy an imported anything.
But hey that is my view not everybody's, and people who won't buy a Falcon or Commodore because it is a bogan car only serve to prove that theory

I disagree to some extent.
You can't compare rugby to car sales.
A car is generally seen as an important purchase, usually the second highest costing asset one would buy. Most (including myself) take this purchase seriously. I look at what I want, what is on offer then begin to narrow it down.
Money is becoming tighter these days so many people are taking their car purchases a lot more seriously, head ruling over heart.
No point in buying something just because it is made here when it isn't the best available option you have.

[I6DOHC]

Originally Posted by Spammy

How many Modeos are sold worldwide? Likewise how many Mazda3/I30/you name it are sold globally??

A low volume/low margn (no margin) car in a small market does not make any sense (except to some people on this forum)

But how many Mondeo's are being sold into the same small market? At the current rate of decline month to month from 353 --> 172 --> ??? (next month). Focus & Fiesta are hardly lighting up the sales charts either. If the falcon platform as a whole is considered 'low volume' then what would you class Mondeo/Fiesta volumes as in Australia...'insignificant volume'?. Segmentation is squeezing all makers...with everyone getting smaller slices of the pie and is flowing down the line to the dealers. Great for consumers in the short term....but where will it end long term? Post 2016 will show us.

In any case what you say is all relative, and only relevant in the last 10yrs due to the reasons people have already eluded to earlier (the suits we've employed that implemented policies for the betterment of other countries industries). The reason there is no margin on the locally produced cars anymore is all due to market segmentation driven by policy where the outcome creates a lot of other richer countries.

The only sensible decision that any manufacturers can conclude (in this country) is to find a way to sack all of the Aussie workers (because who really cares right?), get the hell out of this over governed self imploding country and set up in one of the countries that our government makes policies for and actually supports (take your pick...Thailand/Japan/China/USA/Germany/France....).

Will be a crying shame that we'll ultimately begin losing the skill, knowledge & know-how that comes from the backbone of manufacturing.

[buggerlugs]

Hyundai i30 1886 last year to 3157 this year..................

[Spammy]

Originally Posted by I6DOHC

But how many Mondeo's are being sold into the same small market? At the current rate of decline month to month from 353 --> 172 --> ??? (next month). Focus & Fiesta are hardly lighting up the sales charts either. If the falcon platform as a whole is considered 'low volume' then what would you class Mondeo/Fiesta volumes as in Australia...'insignificant volume'?. Segmentation is squeezing all makers...with everyone getting smaller slices of the pie and is flowing down the line to the dealers. Great for consumers in the short term....but where will it end long term? Post 2016 will show us.

g.

You missed my point - not that hard for Ford to take 200 mondeos from the factory that makes lots of them and stick them on a ship and deliver them here...same way BMW/Merc etc sedn them over.

Very hard to keep a factory open that builds so few cars to sell in only one market with no profit (probably a loss).

Bigger question is: would Mondeo & Focus sell better if they had a different badge on them?? My guess is yes. I think the dealers have a lot to answer for and the smell of death around the Falcon does not help the mood on the showroom.

[nstg8a]

That's it, selling. 200 mondeos is probably better for fords balance sheets than selling 1200 falcons... Don't forget, ford is the master of bean counting, they will have it worked out to the last 10c and it's obviously not in falcons favour.

[Joe5619]

It is nice for a change having the Ford imports pulling Ford down & the local stuff do well!! Long live the great Aussie Falcon & territory..

[JG34JA]

1227 > 172

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Spammy

What is a Denis Eagle ?? Some sort of specialist truck?

Correct -it is a British truck purpose built for the waste collection industry- ie one armed bandid side load wheelie bin jobbie.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Hyundai i30 1886 last year to 3157 this year..................

=1271 extra fools who bought an ugly Korean buzz box.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

It is nice for a change having the Ford imports pulling Ford down & the local stuff do well!! Long live the great Aussie Falcon & territory..

Yep, it's a nice change indeed.
Ford are kidding themselves if they think their sales in Australia are going to rise after 2016. The only way they will be going is down.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

That's it, selling. 200 mondeos is probably better for fords balance sheets than selling 1200 falcons... Don't forget, ford is the master of bean counting, they will have it worked out to the last 10c and it's obviously not in falcons favour.

Thats a massive drop for parts and servicing. Expect more dealers to close.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by stevz

Yep, it's a nice change indeed.
Ford are kidding themselves if they think their sales in Australia are going to rise after 2016. The only way they will be going is down.

Just curious, do you buy any imported goods at all?

[stevz]

Only when there is absolutely no other locally made alternative available eg. electronics.

[P6LTD351]

No imported food or clothing at all?

[stevz]

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

No imported food or clothing at all?

I already answered your question above, anyway what's this got to do with VFacts?

[P6LTD351]

It has alot to do with Vfacts. You bag people for buying imports calling them 'fools'.

I'd hazard a guess that if these same 'buzz boxes' were made here, the people buying them would suddenly not be 'fools'.

Would I buy those cars? NO. But those companies must be doing something right for so many 'fools' to buy their cars. I wish we had so many 'fools' buying Falcons and Territories.

That said, a better result for Falcon and Territory in Nov is positive.