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What is a Denis Eagle ?? Some sort of specialist truck?
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Think he means this year. So yes it was beating June by 10 units.
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The dribble coming out of your head and onto your keyboard is garbage. Seriously just shut up. Keep your blind eye to your cars and deal with the downward trend. Simple perception of everyones (being people who don't frequent car forums and actually buy cars) thinking, not just people here. Falcon = Taxi Commodore = Bogan Mobile
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Rapid Axe : Camry = Cardigan..
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No need to get your knickers in a twist. I've read and taken it both ways and it was a fair while back when terri was pushing over 2000 units.
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BMW 1,721.. the 1 must be my daughters!!!!
Not good figures for the Fiesta ?
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these 3 keep more Australians in jobs than all the others put together, regardless of weather they are owned here or not. and two of them have been in our culture for nearly a hundred years. it's as Australian as we can get and will get. So we are better of buying falcons commodores camry's Territories and cruzes than imported stuff that props up somebody elses economy and takes money out of ours |
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And come 2016 you can put a line through those sales. To me a real story plays out in these numbers: Mondeo = 172 Falcon (Sedan) = 1227 Total Large RWD platform (including Ute/Terry) = 3224 Based on those numbers I know I can't completely reconcile the logic for putting a line through them in favour of the mid-size brigade. Those Mondeo numbers have got to be a major concern? This is the vehicle with all the gadgets & 'European' status behind it and all with the Falcon being treated like the unloved orphan child. |
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#131 | |||
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A low volume/low margn (no margin) car in a small market does not make any sense (except to some people on this forum) |
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I didn't mean to sound agitated. its al good. And I wasn't having a shot at the other chap either. I like reading his post cause they make sense. like the general public, there are people on this forums that make sense but heaps are nowhere
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Some more figures
Ford 2013 2012 Ford Escape 0 35 Ford Falcon 1,227 1,206 Ford Falcon Ute 413 444 Ford Fiesta 540 894 Ford Focus 1,477 1,920 Ford Kuga 432 61 Ford Mondeo 172 353 Ford Ranger 4X2 513 623 Ford Ranger 4X4 1,501 1,564 Ford Territory 1,584 1,296 Ford Transit 14 48 Ford Transit Bus 0 9 Ford Transit Heavy 41 76 Ford Total 7,914 8,529 Change -7.2% Holden 2013 2012 Holden Barina 783 1,021 Holden Barina Spark 242 75 Holden Caprice 160 95 Holden Captiva 5 540 673 Holden Captiva 7 993 983 Holden Colorado 4X2 274 410 Holden Colorado 4X4 1,130 1,546 Holden Colorado 7 100 0 Holden Combo 0 34 Holden Commodore 3,097 2,659 Holden Cruze 1,846 2,115 Holden Epica 0 0 Holden Malibu 168 0 Holden Monaro 0 0 Holden Trax 486 0 Holden Utility 4X2 655 703 Holden Volt 3 40 Holden Total 10,477 10,354 Change 1.2% Hyundai 2013 2012 Hyundai Accent 390 541 Hyundai Elantra 761 655 Hyundai Grandeur 0 0 Hyundai i20 1,204 1,814 Hyundai i30 3,157 1,886 Hyundai i40 159 271 Hyundai I45 0 236 Hyundai iLOAD 370 392 Hyundai iMAX 126 120 Hyundai ix35 1,491 889 Hyundai Santa Fe 577 575 Hyundai Veloster 295 377 Hyundai Total 8,530 7,756 Change 10% Jeep 2013 2012 Jeep Cherokee 0 258 Jeep Compass 364 230 Jeep Grand Cherokee 1,405 880 Jeep Patriot 193 165 Jeep Wrangler 214 180 Jeep Total 2,176 1,713 Change 27% Mazda 2013 2012 Mazda BT-50 4X2 394 316 Mazda BT-50 4X4 717 577 Mazda CX-5 1,700 1,637 Mazda CX-7 0 2 Mazda CX-9 325 341 Mazda MX5 13 22 Mazda RX8 0 0 Mazda2 1,046 1,561 Mazda3 3,666 3,703 Mazda6 538 573 Mazda Total 8,399 8,732 Change -3.8% Toyota 2013 2012 Toyota 86 391 187 Toyota Aurion 607 1,011 Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 2,375 3,145 Toyota Coaster 24 20 Toyota Corolla 3,894 4,190 Toyota FJ Cruiser 179 220 Toyota Hiace Bus 166 208 Toyota Hiace Van 594 503 Toyota Hilux 4X2 980 871 Toyota Hilux 4X4 2,388 2,188 Toyota Kluger 1,144 1,013 Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 499 650 Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 554 847 Toyota Prado 1,235 1,236 Toyota Prius 45 64 Toyota Prius C 161 159 Toyota Prius V 69 158 Toyota RAV4 1,549 1,101 Toyota Rukus 24 62 Toyota Tarago 103 84 Toyota Yaris 1,117 1,395 Toyota Total 18,098 19,312 Change -6.3% Volkswagen 2013 2012 Volkswagen Amarok 4X2 25 53 Volkswagen Amarok 4X4 709 602 Volkswagen Caddy Van 100 144 Volkswagen Caddy/Camper 22 28 Volkswagen Caravelle 8 19 Volkswagen CC 36 71 Volkswagen Crafter 18 78 Volkswagen Eos 26 37 Volkswagen Golf 2,069 992 Volkswagen Golf Cabriolet 36 53 Volkswagen Jetta 129 120 Volkswagen Multivan 74 77 Volkswagen New Beetle Cabrio 0 0 Volkswagen Passat 402 212 Volkswagen Passat Alltrack 72 95 Volkswagen Polo 445 827 Volkswagen Scirocco 46 48 Volkswagen The Beetle 57 0 Volkswagen Tiguan 447 527 Volkswagen Touareg 138 168 Volkswagen Transporter 89 135 Volkswagen Up! 29 84 Volkswagen Total 4,977 4,370 Change 13.9%
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But hey that is my view not everybody's, and people who won't buy a Falcon or Commodore because it is a bogan car only serve to prove that theory |
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You can't compare rugby to car sales. A car is generally seen as an important purchase, usually the second highest costing asset one would buy. Most (including myself) take this purchase seriously. I look at what I want, what is on offer then begin to narrow it down. Money is becoming tighter these days so many people are taking their car purchases a lot more seriously, head ruling over heart. No point in buying something just because it is made here when it isn't the best available option you have.
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In any case what you say is all relative, and only relevant in the last 10yrs due to the reasons people have already eluded to earlier (the suits we've employed that implemented policies for the betterment of other countries industries). The reason there is no margin on the locally produced cars anymore is all due to market segmentation driven by policy where the outcome creates a lot of other richer countries. The only sensible decision that any manufacturers can conclude (in this country) is to find a way to sack all of the Aussie workers (because who really cares right?), get the hell out of this over governed self imploding country and set up in one of the countries that our government makes policies for and actually supports (take your pick...Thailand/Japan/China/USA/Germany/France....). Will be a crying shame that we'll ultimately begin losing the skill, knowledge & know-how that comes from the backbone of manufacturing. |
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Hyundai i30 1886 last year to 3157 this year..................
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You missed my point - not that hard for Ford to take 200 mondeos from the factory that makes lots of them and stick them on a ship and deliver them here...same way BMW/Merc etc sedn them over. Very hard to keep a factory open that builds so few cars to sell in only one market with no profit (probably a loss). Bigger question is: would Mondeo & Focus sell better if they had a different badge on them?? My guess is yes. I think the dealers have a lot to answer for and the smell of death around the Falcon does not help the mood on the showroom. |
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That's it, selling. 200 mondeos is probably better for fords balance sheets than selling 1200 falcons... Don't forget, ford is the master of bean counting, they will have it worked out to the last 10c and it's obviously not in falcons favour.
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1227 > 172
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Ford are kidding themselves if they think their sales in Australia are going to rise after 2016. The only way they will be going is down. |
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Thats a massive drop for parts and servicing. Expect more dealers to close.
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Just curious, do you buy any imported goods at all?
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Only when there is absolutely no other locally made alternative available eg. electronics.
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No imported food or clothing at all?
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It has alot to do with Vfacts. You bag people for buying imports calling them 'fools'.
I'd hazard a guess that if these same 'buzz boxes' were made here, the people buying them would suddenly not be 'fools'. Would I buy those cars? NO. But those companies must be doing something right for so many 'fools' to buy their cars. I wish we had so many 'fools' buying Falcons and Territories. That said, a better result for Falcon and Territory in Nov is positive.
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