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They don't offer it in the Berlina anymore either...
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The V8 market comparatively is not huge, but important enough that they need to get it right. More sales = more $$ = more R&D and the cycle continues. Hard to find anything negative about that.
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People claim Ford don't offer enough model choice with the V8, and that this has contributed to its sales demise... history shows when they did nobody supported them with their wallets...
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With the B series you had the 3v, 4v XR8 and 4v GT; when it would have been better to have just the 4v. I guess the marketing dep and costs associated with having a bulge on every model wouldn't have helped. Imagine a G220 with a bulge, would look cool but not quite the image Ford would be after. AU was the same, windsor throughout and T series got tweaked.
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The reason why the 5L wasn't a popular option in the AU Fairmonts/Fairlanes was that it was only 3kw more than the VCT I6, EL Fairmont/Fairlane V8 was only 3-5kw more than the Tickford I6 too, no brainer there
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And really the 3V, and both 4Vs were also the same engines just with "tweeks". Sure the tweeks are substantial with different heads and internals in the case of the Boss 290, but so were the windsors. The 220kw XR8 had different heads, cam, intake and exhaust than the 175kw base AUII V8. Not disagreeing with your thinking though, just pointing out the facts.
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I reckon the 3V copped a raw deal in the BA/BF. No one bought it but its a really capable engine that deserved better.
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Was a lovely torquey engine with VCT. excellent on fuel, 12.5 city and 9.5 country. But agree the 2 v8 strategy was wrong. Despite its good points I always got 'only a 220' comments. I was going to buy an I6.
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You could have bought an XR8 if you wanted more power you realise.... the whole reason for offering more up the price tree is to get you to spend more... and the fact that non performance applications such as base vehicles don't require a "performance" V8 option... The 220 3V was more than adequate for the vehicles it was optioned with.
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The XR6 Turbo uses the exact same head casting as the standard 6, just with better valves and valve springs, and lower compression is achieved through dished pistons. |
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In summary, Ford should have XR8, G8E & XR8E.
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The important factor for me, more so even then the fact Ford has confirmed that there will be Ford badged V8s (i.e. not just FPV), is the ways in which this decision will be implemented.
By this i am referring to the models it will be offered in (will there be a G8E, optional V8 in utes/base models, Sprint returning??) and the positioning/marketing perspective. Since FG (and in reality during the BA-BF too since the 3v V8 was unfairly ignored), the V8 situation has really been for XR8 only. Particulary the XR8 ute as discussed earlier. Sales (% wise) have continued to shrink and the 'public percerpetion' is that Ford V8s were either substandard, or irrelevent, or both. Of course in reality this is pretty much bull, as many on here are at pains to point out. Nonetheless, the XR6T, since BF in particular, has had a much bigger following as has been discussed ad infinitum on here. HOWEVER, if the coyote XR8 (crate engine or FPV built) is not only the match on paper of the current 5.4 290, but is much better (ouf of the box at least) in driveability, efficiency, NVH, and that all important performance, how will the performance Ford buyer respond? And moreover, how will Ford respond? I don't think Ford for one is sure what this means, hence the decision to offer Coyote in FG Mk2 at least, to see how things go. I think in the next few years we will start to see if a high tech, truly modern, performance (not truck) V8 in an affordable 'family sedan' really does have legs as a sales premise. Will the 'V8 are old tech' perception keep it down, or will a truly competitive V8 lead to an increase in sales at the expense of the I6T and dare i say, the frankly 'old tech' GMH product? Interesting times ahead methinks.
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I'm not confident they'll sufficiently educate the demographic for this (XR8, and potentially G series) product. Unfortunately, the greatest hurdle - as pointed out by GT69 earlier - is the hard place the media finds themselves between the turbo and the SS, for them to give it a fair rating.
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I think that its win win. You will have your V8 crowd who will always buy V8's almost regardless of output/performance etc. In the middle you will have your swingers, grass is always greener type. This category would include those from other makes. Then you will have your now I6T fans who either love the engine for what it is, or cant justify the V8 for whatever reason. At the end of the day if the engines are amortized throughout the FPV and Ford range then eveybody is a winner. We know the scratch matches that happen now over the engine debate, this is going to be a busy place once the famed coyote comes along. Cant wait!
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http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/09...ford-f150.html "Unlike the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 that’s scheduled to arrive in late 2010 for the F-150, the 5.0-liter Coyote V-8 won’t use direct injection or turbocharging." |
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The Road Runner can outrun the Coyote.....
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Pretty sure the buying public doesnt care what perceived 'tech' a local V8 may have, its the performance they are more interested in. Holdens V8s are at an all time sales high, Ford is probably at a fairly low point.
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Carsales have just posted an apparent GT-HO that was spied in Melbourne. Could be a test mule for any new SC V8 from FPV, or it could just be someones hotted up XR8. Im betting on the latter as there is no disguise whatsoever.
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They dont need the GT bodykit to test the engine, the XR8 will do. As we all know now GT-HO isnt going to happen, GT-H is as close as its going to get.
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The XR8 in the pic has XFG number plates. All Fords press FG's had XFG plates, so this car is very likely one of the press vehicles.
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Boss315 is right, the car bra on the GT in the caradvice spy shots was covering the new front bar's extra large air ducts...
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