Park in gear or neutral

[Swordsman88]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

As for driving down steep hills, on all my driver training the teaching is to use a gear down a hill that you would use to go up it when not towing. Therefore if you would need 3rd to go up, then 3rd to go down not 6th. In situations of towing it is one gear down again, so 2nd. This spreads the load of maintaining a safe speed etween the brakes and the engine braking. The recommend this on steep hils in auto's as well, one thing that almost no one does. I do this in the ambulances all the time, just good driving that almost no driving school teaches kids.

I do this gecko but i would agree no one else i know does it....I remember a mate of mine asked 'what are you doing' when i moved the Tbar to engage second once in my EF on a steep decline (hell you can use it help control speed generally, but it can get tiresome). Assuming they don't teach that stuff any more in driver training (i think my old man told me about it first) and the guy never reads his user manual for basic advice (it is in there) what do these people do on really steep hills??? Ride the foot brake alot i suppose.....

While i wouldnt' want someone with your experiences in driver training to critique my actions behind a wheel (lord knows what i am doing wrong) i am always interested in what other people do because i believe driving is a pretty complex activity, and you need some skills. And like all skills, some people are very good, some are very not good. I will try out this whole neutral, handbrake, park thing in the auto out, see if i don't get totally bored of it.

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by Unco

it's because a lot of the stuff in the owners manuals is dumbed down for dummies like you.

as far as you're concerned, you can throw an auto into park on a hill and let the whole weight of the car rest on the parking pin. i bet you also count the number of clicks the handbrake makes "as per the owners manual" if it's written in there.

those who are qualified in the topic know how easily the parking pin can break. then we have to put up with dummies like you coming into the workshop wondering why their autos wont go into park because as far as you're concerned you did everything by the book... but left common sense out.

what a few people have posted is the safest way to park an auto: put it in neutral, apply the handbrake firmly to make sure the car won't move, THEN put it in Park. The bit about turning the wheels to come into contact with the gutter should the car move is also very important when parking up/down a hill.

hang on, you're the guy that lets his oil drain for a week before re-fitting the sump plug, sorry, i didn't see your sign.

So now I am dumb as well???? More personal insults..looks like your intelligence is on par with your mechanic mate from the prooving ground that did not know how to park a car correctly

Another mechanic thats qualified....

You guys are adding more strength to my argument by the minute...wow you must be a real genius of a mechanic if you know more than the engineers that designed the car.....I know there are good mechanice out there, but its like finding a diamond in a shitpile....and this just confirms it.

One mechanic does not even know how to park a car and never bothered to learn and the other calls people that come into his workshop dummies that he has to put up with...these are the people that are feeding you and they are customers not dummies...if you don't like people coming into your workshop to get the car repaired close the doors of your shop and do something else.

And like I said before I could not give a crap about autos as they are for taxis and people that do not know how to drive and I do not fit either category, and only own and drive manual cars...

The thing about letting my oil drain for a week?!?!? Not sure what you are talking about there??? May be a previous post where I stated to let the oil drain correctly/fully when doing oil changes??? Not sure where you get a week from, it takes me about 40-90 minutes to fully change all fluids in my car, depending on wether its just an oil chage or also diff gearbox, coolant and brake fluids, all of which get done as required. A week you really are prooving that you are not very bright or know much about being a GOOD mechanic or customer service as such.

[geckoGT]

You yourself state that you park your car in neutral in your driveway as it can not go anywhere, and if it did it would only damage your garage yada yada yada excuse excuse etc....so all these six driving courses you completed were obviously a waste of time and went in one ear and out the other....

GT40, I stated in my post that you quoted that I do this so that I can start the engine while I am standing at the door so I can let the engine warm up while I load the things I need in it. I think by now, in the 2 1/2 years that I have had this house that I may have worked out my driveway and garage is flat, cars actually won't roll without any park brake on. The ute takes a hell of a push to get it moving, the mini a bit less but still requires a push. Would have to be a strong wind to get my cars accidentally rolling against my well functioning handbrakes. As for the hitting the garage door thing, I was being sarcastic.

HAHA..I Love it you just made yourself look like a real tool...Personal insults the weapon of those with lower than average intelligence, Of course your car is not going to roll on flat ground, but not all ground is flat, and like I have said about 15 times why bother making a decision on wether the ground is flat when there is already a way of doing it correctly for ALL SITUATIONS.

As I have said, I have worked out my drive is flat, end of story!

so all these six driving courses you completed were obviously a waste of time and went in one ear and out the other....

And your qualification to be such a subject matter expert is?

I do not really give a crap about auto cars anyway, as I have not driven one for 20 years and am not about to, reading the owners manuals of my cars it clearly states otherwise, no where does it say to put car in neutral before applying hand brake and then put in park.....so if the manufacturer of the vehicle is happy that they have engineered the vehicle to be used in a certain way I am happy with their decision and will follow their advise on the matter.

So you are telling us that you know better than the professional driving instructors that have taught me otherwise and you haven't driven one in 20yrs! Wow, that’s credibility for you.

As for the owners manual, do you think they care if the pin for the park on the trans is damaged? Of course they don't because it will take longer than warranty period and then they get to charge you an arm or leg for a repair, win win for them.

I guess if there are some people that can't work out that their own drive is flat, then the correct procedure for parking an auto is way too complex.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by 95falcon

I like how this thread stayed on topic. I also like the fact that everyone has to throw their 2c in.


Thread was for manuals, not auto's, so phvck off already.


Manual - parkbrake on, car off, clutch out in 1st. Simple.

The thing with internet forums is conversations lead onto different things, but it is still on topic as it still involves the safety aspects of parking a car and therefore still within the purpose of the original author of the question.

So thanks for your valuable input and you are lucky I am not a mod as your variation of the spelling of inappropriate language would earn you a holiday.

And like I said before I could not give a crap about autos as they are for taxis and people that do not know how to drive and I do not fit either category, and only own and drive manual cars...

Brilliant!!!! So no police officer or Paramedic knows how to drive because nearly all our vehicles are autos.

When you work out how to drive under remergency conditions, navigate to life threatening conditions, operate a radio and remain alert for the drongo's in other cars that are constantly trying their hardest to kill us, all while changing gears, let me know cause I want to learn how.

[xy500]

i think this thread needs closing before someone is stabbed

[geckoGT]

No, closing is not needed but some chill pills are.

[FPV GT40]

All I am saying is there is a correct way of doing this, this correct way has nothing to do with flat driveways, angles of the road, what when and how you want to load stuff into your car, a full moon, your starsign, what your sister had for dinner, or if you like to drive auto or manual cars. all these things are irrelevant.

There is one correct way of doing it as recommended by the vehicle manufacturer, if anything goes wrong and you are found to not have followed manufacturers recommendations you become liable for the damages. No if's no but's no maybe's.

Now I do not understand people who will say, yeah but its flat, or a million other reasons for not doing it correctly, Not even sure what we are arguing about as you have the same opinion as me on this subject, I could not give a toss if you want to put the handrake on first or put it in park first as long as both get applied correctly the car will be as safe as can be.

You said yourself there is a correct procedure to do this, and then you contradict yourself by saying you do not follow the procedure in your driveway....IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT IT IS FLAT OR ANYTHING ELSE...there is a correct procedure and you are not following it no matter how you like to justefy it.

[FPV GT40]

[QUOTE=geckoGT]
Brilliant!!!! So no police officer or Paramedic knows how to drive because nearly all our vehicles are autos. [QUOTE]

These are government cars not privately owned....so they do not get a choice of transmission, if someone gives me a free car to drive I will take it, or do you expect the cop to say, no mate I won't drive that... :

You are clutching at straws here..

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

And your qualification to be such a subject matter expert is?

You said so youself...you said you attended six driving courses and at the end you still do not park your own car correctly in your own driveway. Your own words......I know you use an excuse to justify this but that is not the point....You have been taught to do something at these driving courses, and you choose not to do so, or did these professional driving instructors say to you "this is how you park you car/ambulance correctly, but if you have a flat driveway at home we have another method that we will show you" I bet not.

I bet they would have showed you how to do it and said "This is how you do it 100% of the time" or something along those lines....

[geckoGT]

[QUOTE=FPV GT40][QUOTE=geckoGT]
Brilliant!!!! So no police officer or Paramedic knows how to drive because nearly all our vehicles are autos.

These are government cars not privately owned....so they do not get a choice of transmission, if someone gives me a free car to drive I will take it, or do you expect the cop to say, no mate I won't drive that... :

You are clutching at straws here..

Great, now you are telling me that an emergency service does not get a choice of what vehicle they buy. I am sure that the fleet managers and the vehicle and equipment committees the services have will love hearing they actually do not make any decisions.

Advice, before you put your mouth in gear, make sure the brain is not in park. I do not know what you do for a profession but don't lecture me on mine and I will not pretend I know yours better.

as for me not doing what instructors tell me all the time, I guess I have a little intelligence and do not require someone telling me when to breathe.

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Great, now you are telling me that an emergency service does not get a choice of what vehicle they buy. I am sure that the fleet managers and the vehicle and equipment committees the services have will love hearing they actually do not make any decisions.

Advice, before you put your mouth in gear, make sure the brain is not in park. I do not know what you do for a profession but don't lecture me on mine and I will not pretend I know yours better.

WTF???where did I say the emergence services do not get a choice in what vehicle they buy???

And can you please also tell me where I lecture you on your profession???

What are you on about???You can not really be that simple being an ambo, you are really scaring me next time i need an ambo.

So you are saying you can go to work tomorrow and say " I do not want to drive that ambo, I want a manual one, till then I sit here and wait", you do not get a choice, you drive what you are given as far as I know.

The Fleet managers buy to suit the lowest common denominator, a vehicle that anyone can drive with minimal difficulty, thats why they buy automatics...

[geckoGT]

The vehicle and equipment committee is formed from paramedics with a wealth of on road experience. They decide on selection criteria prior to putting it out to tender for the manufacturers. Yes price comes into it along with other elements of its operation. The reason for automatics is you often have to drive one handed due to the requirement for other tasks to be completed at the same time. Does that make sense to you?

As for do we get to decide what vehicle we take, no we don't. We do however have input on vehicle charateristics we require for the next generation. An example of this is the new ambulances that are coming through now have reverse cameras, because we asked for them. None of us have any interest in having manuals because we have too many other things to do and there is no operational advantage in a manual. There are however some of the 4WD ambulances (Landcruiser troopies) that are manual as they have an operational advantage off road.

Now this is way off topic, so do us all a favour and drop it. You are wrong in your ideas in emergency vehicle characteristics and are argueing with someone that knows what he is on about.

So time to get back on topic.

[Falc'man]

Does anyone know what gear you're supposed to leave it in when it's parked?

Plus, is it better to hold the gear stick from below the gearknob? I heard this puts less strain on the shift mechanism and thus improves your quality of life.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Plus, is it better to hold the gear stick from below the gearknob? I heard this puts less strain on the shift mechanism and thus improves your quality of life.

That is what I have been doing wrong, gripping the knob!

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Does anyone know what gear you're supposed to leave it in when it's parked?

Plus, is it better to hold the gear stick from below the gearknob? I heard this puts less strain on the shift mechanism and thus improves your quality of life.

I've always been taught to leave it in 1st.

You don't need to get a spirit level out or measure rise/run to decide between neutral/1st gear or park. Just leave it parked in 1st with the handbrake on.

Always start the car with foot on clutch, regardless of where the stick is. In an auto, start it in park, just where you left it.

Originally Posted by geckoGT

The vehicle and equipment committee is formed from paramedics with a wealth of on road experience. They decide on selection criteria prior to putting it out to tender for the manufacturers. Yes price comes into it along with other elements of its operation. The reason for automatics is you often have to drive one handed due to the requirement for other tasks to be completed at the same time. Does that make sense to you?

As for do we get to decide what vehicle we take, no we don't. We do however have input on vehicle charateristics we require for the next generation. An example of this is the new ambulances that are coming through now have reverse cameras, because we asked for them. None of us have any interest in having manuals because we have too many other things to do and there is no operational advantage in a manual. There are however some of the 4WD ambulances (Landcruiser troopies) that are manual as they have an operational advantage off road.

Now this is way off topic, so do us all a favour and drop it. You are wrong in your ideas in emergency vehicle characteristics and are argueing with someone that knows what he is on about.

So time to get back on topic.

He hasn't said anything wrong or rubbished you or your trade at all.

He's saying auto's are for people who don't know how to drive, which I don't completely agree with, but that's his opinion.

He's not saying that you're a crap driver because your work car is an auto. His work car is probably an auto too, just as most are.

Don't get so upset about him rubbishing auto transmissions, I think they're for women and taxi's too, but that's irrelevant.

Like he's saying, no owners manual or driver training course will recommend you measure the gradient before choosing how safely to park your car.

[Unco]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Does anyone know what gear you're supposed to leave it in when it's parked?

Plus, is it better to hold the gear stick from below the gearknob? I heard this puts less strain on the shift mechanism and thus improves your quality of life.

it depends what day of the week it is. but please refer to the owners manual.

as for holding the gearstick, i can't find that in the owners' manual, so therefore i can't answer your question.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Unco

it depends what day of the week it is. but please refer to the owners manual.

as for holding the gearstick, i can't find that in the owners' manual, so therefore i can't answer your question.

Easy as! Monday, wednesday and friday are reverse days, all the rest 1st is the go.

As for the gear lever, it is right after the section that tells you where to put the key.

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

The reason for automatics is you often have to drive one handed due to the requirement for other tasks to be completed at the same time. Does that make sense to you?

You are wrong in your ideas in emergency vehicle characteristics and are argueing with someone that knows what he is on about.

So time to get back on topic.

It makes perfect sense to me I never said it didn't. Also I did not know I had any ideas on emergence vehicles, or that I even expressed those ideas here or anywhere else, so how do you know they are wrong???

[bob^]

I drive a BA, I have no choice but to put it in park.

[mongoloid]

Would the park brake cable in a car be as susceptable to breaking as the 'parking lock pin' ?

We have a lot of Landcruisers at work and while i admit they are pretty clapped out and badly maintained as a result they rarely have trustworthy handbrakes. When they come back from service they are good, but this never lasts so I beleive it comes down to one thing...

Putting a car in park or in gear is a sure thing, a handbrake is not. So why not use the both of them?

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by Unco

it depends what day of the week it is. but please refer to the owners manual.

as for holding the gearstick, i can't find that in the owners' manual, so therefore i can't answer your question.

Not related to week day at all...very simple as stated earlier, when facing uphill 1st gear, when facing down hill reverse, just like good drivers have been doing for decades....if the ground is reasonably flat I usually go for 1st gear.

Just like people had to do in their driving test when driving tests were done properly (have not done one for years so not sure what the current test involves)

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Shounak

I've always been taught to leave it in 1st.

You don't need to get a spirit level out or measure rise/run to decide between neutral/1st gear or park. Just leave it parked in 1st with the handbrake on.

Always start the car with foot on clutch, regardless of where the stick is. In an auto, start it in park, just where you left it.

Thank you, you're a genius.
But one more question; what if the compression ratio isn't high enough, that is to say, if it's in first gear where compression ratio in a forced induced car is very low, 2nd gear may be required to hold the car from rolling?

[Peuty]

Round and round and round we go, where it stops, no one knows.....

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by mongoloid

Would the park brake cable in a car be as susceptable to breaking as the 'parking lock pin' ?

We have a lot of Landcruisers at work and while i admit they are pretty clapped out and badly maintained as a result they rarely have trustworthy handbrakes. When they come back from service they are good, but this never lasts so I beleive it comes down to one thing...

Putting a car in park or in gear is a sure thing, a handbrake is not. So why not use the both of them?

Had an old cruiser myself, and have had several as company cars years ago when I worked out in Western NSW, the handbrakes need constant adjusting as it works of the brake shoes in the back, I used to adjust them all the time. Well adjusted they work a treat, but after a couple of thousand k's adjustment is neccessary again.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Thank you, you're a genius.
But one more question; what if the compression ratio isn't high enough, that is to say, if it's in first gear where compression ratio in a forced induced car is very low, 2nd gear may be required to hold the car from rolling?

2nd gear is more likely to turn the motor over than 1st, that is why you have to roll start a car in 2nd, 1st will just compression lock the rear wheels on a healthy engine.

Would the park brake cable in a car be as susceptable to breaking as the 'parking lock pin' ?

The weight of the vehicle is not supported by the cable, it is supported by friction of the brake shoes on the internal drums, the cable only operates a lever and the strain on the cable does not vary regardless of the gradient of the hill.

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Thank you, you're a genius.
But one more question; what if the compression ratio isn't high enough, that is to say, if it's in first gear where compression ratio in a forced induced car is very low, 2nd gear may be required to hold the car from rolling?

I am sure 1st is better than neutral(and recommended by car manufacturers and engineers), rather than neutral like a lot of people seem to like, really I doubt it matters much what gear you put it in if you like 2nd go for it, I am sure it will be better than neutral, I think most gears in combination with a correctly adjusted handbrake will do the job.

The low compression thing and badly adjusted handbrakes people come up with are maintenance issues more so than anything else. Since to Fully qualified mechanics touch my cars I do not really have maintenace issues, my hand brakes work perfectly, and my compression is high...otherwise she stays in the garage.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by Shounak

Don't get so upset about him rubbishing auto transmissions, I think they're for women and taxi's too

ignorant To55ers like you don't deserve an opinion. I drive an auto these days because i suffer fron sciatica and too much time in a manual causes severe pain in my left leg I can still drive one but for the sake of avoiding pain I drive an auto. people drive autos for many reasons and some times it's medical like mine , insults about autos from intollerent idiots like you are offensive

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by Shounak

Don't get so upset about him rubbishing auto transmissions, I think they're for women and taxi's too, but that's irrelevant.

Don't let my missus read that she'l be looking for you

She drives a manual Ford V8 as well and wouldn't have it any other way

We should start a list of Auto drivers
-cops
-ambos
-realestate agents
-sales reps
-people who never learned how to
-people too lazy to do so
-people with dissabilities
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I left some spaces for others to fill

[WindsorXR]

FPV GT40!

You are making a dick of yourself!

Now that your've become a hypocrite, by calling us names (quote-"...Personal insults the weapon of those with lower than average intelligence")
I can now see that I can't win a typing fight against one as special as you.

You can't spell, put a proper sentence together or even read a post and makes sense of it.

I'm deeply sorry for your misfortune and may you and your family find a bit of peace some day.

Cheers, Mate! :voldar02: :voldar02: