Blower or Exhaust? - Page 4

AU2PWR · 03-01-2007, 07:44 PM

4539 fitted from CAPA i think

Casper · 03-01-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SR_AU

4539 fitted from CAPA i think

Capa Powerdyne, AU INTEC & VCT

$ 6,319.00

Not including fitting

chief · 03-01-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SR_AU

4539 fitted from CAPA i think

I am 99% sure CAPA dont do fitting, only supply.

edit: Casper beat me to it.

That is $6,319 before fitting, before tuning, before an engineer looks at it. Then you may want things like larger injectors and a better fuel pump to optimise what you have got.

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 07:55 PM

mmm, looks like a turbo is not only the better option, but also cheaper

Casper · 03-01-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chief

I am 99% sure CAPA dont do fitting, only supply.

edit: Casper beat me to it.

That is $6,319 before fitting, before tuning, before an engineer looks at it. Then you may want things like larger injectors and a better fuel pump to optimise what you have got.

its also a powerdyne.. POS

chief · 03-01-2007, 07:56 PM

Why not just go an get an electric car. Electric car = instant torque!!!

Check out this electric car doing the quarter mile in 10.2 seconds. (Hope I have the right link) http://youtube.com/watch?v=0rl4MULktgc

**Whoosha** · 03-01-2007, 08:06 PM

now show me a turbo on any street machine that looks this good

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(Whoosh runs off.. to put on fire suit)

Jason50 · 03-01-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ClassicAU

Great work there Henri, thats EXACTLY why i want to get a supercharger! But going by the overwhelming response, it looks like i have no idea what i am on about. I think i need to get extractors and an exhaust before i do anything else if i want it to work. I have already got a flash tuner, so re-tunes are not a problem. The thing i like about the supercharger, as JC mentioned, is the ease of installation. The linear power delivery is also appealing. So its going to cost me $6k to get though? Thats a fair bit more than i expected, i just assumed all i needed was the unit itself and a few pipes and belts. But like i said, i have no idea!

You don't need to change the exhaust for it to work. Exhaust work will just enahnce the results. The CAPA web site show a comparision for an XR8 that with a set super charger kit, but with standard exhaust, then a cat back system.

dyno graph

I am not a big fan of centrifical chargers like the CAPA kits though as they really don't make much boost before the mid revs and don't reach full boost until redline. A positive displacement setup (like the Comodores) would be really nice, but I don't know of any kits for the Ford 6.

I think you mentioned that you wanted a quite exhaust note somewhere and while a super charger will add noise a turbo will actually quiten things down. A Snort kit may be the go as others on the list have had good results.

Have you asked Chris (Bluepower) what he thinks ?

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Whoosha

now show me a turbo on any street machine that looks this good

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(Whoosh runs off.. to put on fire suit)

agreed, but i don't think 6cylinder au's are in that class. Nor do the blowers even closely resemble that

ClassicAU · 03-01-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason50

You don't need to change the exhaust for it to work. Exhaust work will just enahnce the results. The CAPA web site show a comparision for an XR8 that with a set super charger kit, but with standard exhaust, then a cat back system.

dyno graph

I am not a big fan of centrifical chargers like the CAPA kits though as they really don't make much boost before the mid revs and don't reach full boost until redline. A positive displacement setup (like the Comodores) would be really nice, but I don't know of any kits for the Ford 6.

I think you mentioned that you wanted a quite exhaust note somewhere and while a super charger will add noise a turbo will actually quiten things down. A Snort kit may be the go as others on the list have had good results.

Have you asked Chris (Bluepower) what he thinks ?

Thanks Jason, thats what i was thinking, get a supercharger and not have to worry about anything else, just instant bolt on power. Although I wasn't aware that i would also need to get an engineers certificate as well, but then that only makes sense i guess.
I haven't had a chance to talk to Chris about this yet, as its all just an idea at the moment, and i dont want to waste his time. I do like the kind of supercharger setup he uses on his black XR8 ute though, and Eaton i believe. But i think those things love above the head so i highly doubt i would get one under the bonnet.

Jason50 · 03-01-2007, 09:52 PM

I think the supercharged Holden 6 uses an Eaton blower, probably an M90, so you can get them under the bonnet, but it probably is going to be a custon job which will cost heaps.

I am seriously looking at getting the BluePower setup for my XR8 when it is available. The legal side worries me too and I really need to look into getting that certificate. I am pretty sure I can get insurance though Shanons or similar without. That won't protect it from being defected or mabye even wearing a heavy fine for emission non-compliance.

One thing going for the Capa kit is that you can easily remove it if you need to.

StealthAu · 03-01-2007, 10:00 PM

if you don't get it certified its not road worthy. If you have it insurred as supercharged they'll be more then happy to take your money, but if you prang it and try to make a claim, I doubt they'd give you a cent.

Jason50 · 03-01-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stockoau

if you don't get it certified its not road worthy. If you have it insurred as supercharged they'll be more then happy to take your money, but if you prang it and try to make a claim, I doubt they'd give you a cent.

That is one of the things I have been wondering about. When it comes to the crunch (that wasn't meant as a joke) Not worth finding out the hard way...

**Mechan1k** · 04-01-2007, 12:10 PM

I was looking at a S/C setup on the work ute ... LPG + lil bit of boost = less likelihood of pinging.

I just want a fatter bottom-end torque curve for heavy load/towing. I am not after top-end power ... just better driveability (especially with the auto and tall diff gears).

But the insurance would be a killer ... even for me I reckon ... and my line of work.

So i am just going to resort to slightly shorter diff gears and a cam ... will be cheaper on the hip pocket ... plus it's a work vehicle ... I need to think about reliability.

StealthAu · 04-01-2007, 12:23 PM

see now there's a valid use for a blower, if your after more down low they're great ie. burnouts towing, for pace yet to be convinced

**Mechan1k** · 04-01-2007, 12:33 PM

That's why I was thinking about it going S/C ... it would suit my needs perfectly.
If the ute was manual though ... I'd rather a turbo than S/C ... much easier to keep it on the boil and within boost range.

auto and long gears would make a turbo a little laggy .. especially on an EGAS motor where they buggers don't rev well (bloody mixer ring restricting the throttlebody).

04-01-2007, 03:01 PM

Cam · 04-01-2007, 07:48 PM

If you as me, It's Simple...

Gradually add power (money) = NA
Cheapest Power = turbo kit
Easy to fit = CAPA kit
All out = Custom Whipple charger setup.

It all depends on ur budget, and expectations on cost vs power vs economy

Cam

StealthAu · 04-01-2007, 08:01 PM

I still say its much of a muchness either way, I don't really think it would be much more difficult/time consuming to go the turbo path

ClassicAU · 04-01-2007, 08:23 PM

Thanks for all the info everyone! I was having a think about it and at this point in time i don't think forced induction is going to happen any time soon. The car just ticked over 100,000kms on the odometer, and on top of that my rego is due this month. So if i can fit it in, i will just get a set of extractors and an exhaust. That should do me fine for a while. If i can get up to 140rwkw it should be a lot more of a hoot to drive!

JC · 04-01-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ClassicAU

Thanks for all the info everyone! I was having a think about it and at this point in time i don't think forced induction is going to happen any time soon. The car just ticked over 100,000kms on the odometer, and on top of that my rego is due this month. So if i can fit it in, i will just get a set of extractors and an exhaust. That should do me fine for a while. If i can get up to 140rwkw it should be a lot more of a hoot to drive!

Exhaust may get you to 130rwkw, but that would be optimistic.

StealthAu · 04-01-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

auto and long gears would make a turbo a little laggy .. especially on an EGAS motor where they buggers don't rev well (bloody mixer ring restricting the throttlebody).

I think an auto with a high stall would result in less lag concerns than a manual, your revs tend to drop a bit more with gear changes in manuals.

stiddy · 05-01-2007, 12:42 AM

Go the blower mate..
Stockoau sorry mate, but your a little lost.

The blower is easier on your motor and driveline as the boost rises with rev's you get a more linear power band and a way fat torque curve.. and on that 8-9psi like JC as said you will reach 200rwkw even with a basic powerdyne.
But to go with that you do need a full exhaust, fuel system and computer.
Turbo's are efficient and do give good power, but a sudden whack of full boost at 3000rpm puts a strain on things more so than a blower.
The blower is easier to install and in the end works out a little cheaper, but you are limited to power you make. But having said that, you can only push these motors so far on stock inturnals, which a powerdyne is quite capable of exceding.
Turbo lag isnt really an issue with these motors either because they are such a big torquey motor and punch out alot of exhaust gases = load = low rpm spool up.
Classic AU, 100,000k's, mate this thing is just getting run in, and perfect for a little bit of boost

lol.
I would go for a Vortech S-trim blower before any hairdryer goes onto the side of my motor.

**Mechan1k** · 05-01-2007, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stockoau

I think an auto with a high stall would result in less lag concerns than a manual, your revs tend to drop a bit more with gear changes in manuals.

Hi-stall would be fun though :sm_drool: ... but not when floating horses around ... hee hee. Just another of my reasons why i kept my stock stall converter when i had my gearbox rebuilt/strengthened.

StealthAu · 05-01-2007, 10:10 AM

agreed, the blower would be easier on the engine and ****, but how would a s/c set up work out cheaper? The prices listed here led me to believe it would be at least $1k cheaper for a suitable turbo setup

bodes-sh · 05-01-2007, 06:36 PM

going on the listed prices from capa and snort...
capa s/c kit $6319 + shipping (i guess) and installation,
snort turbo kit stage 3 $3999 + $125 shipping + installation...you be the judge

links snort capa

**Mechan1k** · 05-01-2007, 06:37 PM

Snort's S/C kit is the same price as their Stg 3 turbo kit ... and it's the same as the CAPA S/C equipment-wise

ClassicAU · 05-01-2007, 07:08 PM

It looks like the finance side of things is the only thing stopping me from getting forced induction, whichever one it may be. I just don't have 5 or 6 grand to throw at the car all at one hit. I will most likely be getting an exhaust installed in the next few weeks, although i have said that before! :P
How much would a cam cost, and are there cams that increase low end torque? It would be nice if it didn't kill my fuel economy and make it idle like a 351, but i guess thats not the point of them.

bodes-sh · 05-01-2007, 07:38 PM

i'm fairly certain that even if you get a cam you will still need an edit or a chip to tune it to run properly...i'd imagine with the edit with just intake and exhaust mods you could increase bottom end torque slightly, and make it more even throughout the rev range...mind you an edit is around $1500...b2tf is still trying to organise a group buy edit i think

ClassicAU · 05-01-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bodes-sh

i'm fairly certain that even if you get a cam you will still need an edit or a chip to tune it to run properly...i'd imagine with the edit with just intake and exhaust mods you could increase bottom end torque slightly, and make it more even throughout the rev range...mind you an edit is around $1500...b2tf is still trying to organise a group buy edit i think

done and done buddy!!

i have already purchased a capa flash tuner with a single custom edit that gave me a nice and flat torque curve. all with just a home job cold air intake. so, as i have mentioned before, re-tunes are no problem.