The 'Automotive Environmental' Thread - Electric Cars/Fuel Quality/Alternative Fuel

[au2000]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Uh huh!!

Numerous Tesla posts all over the place..


Tesla is doubling output every year. The brand satisfaction and loyalty is very high. They have the best charging facilities and and don´t spend on advertising. Why do you think VW wanted to invest in Tesla ? Tesla obtained billions in loans from chinese banks to build in China.
(Source..”themotorreport.com.au”

Wound not be recommending we invest in tesla ?

[jgmdat]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Uh huh!!

Numerous Tesla posts all over the place..


Tesla is doubling output every year. The brand satisfaction and loyalty is very high. They have the best charging facilities and and don´t spend on advertising. Why do you think VW wanted to invest in Tesla ? Tesla obtained billions in loans from chinese banks to build in China.
(Source..”themotorreport.com.au”)

Kmav23 boy needs to get himself a girlfriend i reckon.

[Citroënbender]

So there are no totally fictitious profiles on LinkedIn?

[jmack]

just as i thought the way the wording was structured

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

So there are no totally fictitious profiles on LinkedIn?

Ok, do ya own detective work then!
(Start with Whirlpool forums, and get back to me)

[Citroënbender]

Looking at it from another angle, if a “random” person lobbed in and started promoting a vaguely related enterprise they had an apparent pecuniary interest in, without payment of any fees for sponsorship or hosting, surely they would be out on their ear?

The free ride is potentially an affront to anyone who is paying for their business profile here; for example Cumberland Ford are paying for prominence, why couldn’t Hillis Ford have a cheer squad posting promotional guff constantly over the top of every new Ford car thread without charge?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by kmav23

Once we eliminate all Ice vehicles, we dont have to rely on importing 90% of our fuel.

We can be energy independent, power from the grid is generated by ourselves.

No more wars and money sent to the middle east to spend on weapons which end up killing our soldiers.

People can then tell the government and companies to psss off im going off the grid with my solar and batteries...

No more complaints about govt and companies ripping them off with fuel and electricity prices !

Evs use 60 % less parts, last longer, and less service... so you can say stuff u to the mechanics!

"eliminate all ICE vehicles" some people have worked really hard to get this thing you want to eliminate. and to be told by some Uni student living at home who doesn't even drive just doesn't sit well at all.

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by hayseed

I'm Tipping, He's got a rechargeable Battery powered One.......

Oh .... Does Hummer still make vehicles

[au2000]

Does thins mean now that without KMAV's imput this thread is gonna slow down ?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Looking at it from another angle, if a “random” person lobbed in and started promoting a vaguely related enterprise they had an apparent pecuniary interest in, without payment of any fees for sponsorship or hosting, surely they would be out on their ear?

The free ride is potentially an affront to anyone who is paying for their business profile here; for example Cumberland Ford are paying for prominence, why couldn’t Hillis Ford have a cheer squad posting promotional guff constantly over the top of every new Ford car thread without charge?

That's what I want to know. He's clearly on the payroll of Tesla or some green group to promote the EV cause. Is that not free advertising on this site?

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

That's what I want to know. He's clearly on the payroll of Tesla or some green group to promote the EV cause. Is that not free advertising on this site?

Try Bugga Up..... I mean Get Up.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Burnout

Try Bugga Up..... I mean Get Up.

Urgh, those clowns. Get up, get stuffed

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Uh huh!!

Numerous Tesla posts all over the place..


Tesla is doubling output every year. The brand satisfaction and loyalty is very high. They have the best charging facilities and and don´t spend on advertising. Why do you think VW wanted to invest in Tesla ? Tesla obtained billions in loans from chinese banks to build in China.
(Source..”themotorreport.com.au”)

Great pickup, just did some research and his name is everywhere

Wonder if he’ll get on here and defence himself, doubt it

[Sprintey]

The troll that I remember was the old Bob tha Bilda account - every single monthly car sales thread writing off the Aussie industry. When the industry closed, job done, Bob gone. Don't think it owned any Fords either.

[Sprintey]

& KMAV's job would be a lot easier if Australia had a good electricity supply and distribution that was well run. But he's up against the SA gov and it's record, the crew that burned out the Basslink cable pumping extra hydro (so destroying both their dam levels and their power connection), and the planned replacement of a reliable base load generation system with gas generators for which we will sell the gas offshore then re-buy back at a higher price and re-import it. (Edit: please someone correct me on all that, it's like a bad dream)

He's got an uphill battle

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by kmav23

That is the beauty with EV charging is its cheap and easy to install anywhere.

We already have electrical wires everywhere on streets.

Companies will install them and make money.

HK is full of Teslas and massive apartments only, they have a few EVs charges installed in the building.

California has already sold 500,000 EVs, Norway is full of EVS.

We have street lights everywhere on streets, chargers can be installed on any street.

I shouldn't really enjoy this kind of thing as much as I do, but there's something really funny about well-funded naivete encountering, shall we say, the more base human nature:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-...scheme/8813574

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/o...e-bikes-2018-6

It's like a generation slipped past that were never told that people trash stuff, that sometimes a little bit of anarchy occurs to property, that sometimes a bicycle placed in a tree seems a good idea.

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

I shouldn't really enjoy this kind of thing as much as I do, but there's something really funny about well-funded naivete encountering, shall we say, the more base human nature:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-...scheme/8813574

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/o...e-bikes-2018-6

It's like a generation slipped past that were never told that people trash stuff, that sometimes a little bit of anarchy occurs to property, that sometimes a bicycle placed in a tree seems a good idea.

Rather like a pair of shoes hanging, by the laces from a power line.........

[pottery beige]

kmav, are you a vegan??

[fordomatic]

He's viewing the thread, are you going to reply Kmav?

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

He's viewing the thread, are you going to reply Kmav?

tesla has silenced him!!

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

tesla has silenced him!!

Flat batteries.

[Citroënbender]

I thought he'd been discharged from his workplace after allegations of domestic battery.

Edit: Snap!

[marty351]

Too busy eating a green.

Or just waiting for his magic beans to grow.

[Beastie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSKBQEEIjX8

[PG2]

OK everyone, you all have had your fun.

This thread is about automotive and associated environmental issues, not where kmav is or whether he will post again.

Any further off-topic posts will be deleted.

[hayseed]

Looks like Great wall is going to sell an electric Dualcab Ute here..

https://www.caradvice.com.au/748137/...ed-down-under/

[Sprintey]

OK back on topic. Bloomberg has posted a thought-provoking article that suggests the whole electric car thing might just be another bubble, like so many before it:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...sting-in-china

Gotta admit I got caught up in the whole inevitability of it. Maybe it's temporary, and it will be Mazda who will be laughing all the way to the bank with their SkyActiv development of ICE for super-efficiency.



*Also, if you are not a finance guy, I will link an article below where you can learn how our whole money system works in one reading. It was done in 2008 after the GFC and author Erik Janszen thought the next boom would be the 'green' economy then - the last 10 years has seen the 'Everything' bubble instead. But the article is still very valuable because it shows you how these crazy debt-fuelled bubbles begin, how they end, and why each one needs to be bigger than the last. Here is the article, it's very good:

https://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/the-next-bubble/

[Citroënbender]

The Harper's article is quite an interesting read; I'm sure many would demean it as left-leaning because it carries through an implicit concern about execution of policies in absence of a clear, progressive social charter. I think the other take on much that it covers would be to suggest that "management by crisis" as the textbooks used to describe it, is largely normalised...

I deliberately remain disengaged from social media; no TV, no Faceache etc - I'm not ignorant of what goes on but it helps somewhat to filter the contrived immediacy and manipulation adhering to many apparent trends.

One thing I've been wondering about in relation to the automotive market subtly repositioning itself to benefit from any marked shift to sales principally featuring non-fossil-fuelled vehicles. Are car manufacturers subtly reinforcing physical designs of vehicle, that lend themselves more readily to slight reductions in size, coupled with powertrains less dependent on fossil fuels? As in, are they already laying the foundations and we're not noticing?

[Sprintey]

It's not really on topic, but I might suggest Murray N. Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" or "What has Government done to our Money?" to provide a take on some of these earlier events from the Austrian School. Harpers does shift left, yes; however that article just seems to stand the test of time (as well as providing a good monetary history lesson).

Agree on the social media, typed forums and a varied news feed are enough.

The reductions in vehicle size are interesting: it's been done before (VB Commodore) to disaster and done visually (AU Falcon) before to disaster, too.
Notice the Americans coming out with completely massive, square EV pickups and SUVs - their vision of the future is grounded in their past.

For sales %, the Chinese market is 4% and we are under 1% - early adopters still. I suppose the bubble will pop, there will be carnage, and consolidation to electric occurs in the aftermath.

[Franco Cozzo]

Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones, German study shows

Electric vehicles in Germany account for more CO2 emissions than diesel ones, according to a study by German scientists.

When CO2 emissions linked to the production of batteries and the German energy mix - in which coal still plays an important role - are taken into consideration, electric vehicles emit 11% to 28% more than their diesel counterparts, according to the study, presented on Wednesday at the Ifo Institute in Munich.

Mining and processing the lithium, cobalt and manganese used for batteries consume a great deal of energy. A Tesla Model 3 battery, for example, represents between 11 and 15 tonnes of CO2. Given a lifetime of 10 years and an annual travel distance of 15,000 kilometres, this translates into 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometre, scientists Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl and Hans-Werner Sinn noted in their study.

The CO2 given off to produce the electricity that powers such vehicles also needs to be factored in, they say.

When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180 grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example.

The German researchers, therefore, take issue with the fact that European officials view electric vehicles as zero-emission ones. They note further that the EU target of 59 grams of CO2 per km by 2030 corresponds to a “technically unrealistic” consumption of 2.2 litres of diesel or 2.6 litres of gas per 100 kms.

These new limits pressure German and other European car manufacturers into switching massively to electric vehicles whereas, the researchers feel, it would have been preferable to opt for methane engines, “whose emissions are one-third less than those of diesel motors.”

Oscar Schneider
The Brussels Times

(Source: Belga news agency)

Correction: A previous version of this story said the German energy mix used charcoal, not coal

http://brusselstimes.com/business/te...an-study-shows