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Old 25-10-2014, 11:21 AM   #91
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Get one of those new for old insurance policies then every 3 - 4 years park it in a pub out of the cctv's, knock the 2 side mirrors off and kick in the head and tail lights and presto a new car as it will be a write off at those prices.
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How do you people get insurance for mechanical problems?
I understand if a mirror is knocked off it can be classed as an accident and insurance will cover it, but if you are driving and something under the bonnet (or shall I say hood?) goes bang, good luck getting insurance to pay for it. If the car is out of warranty, you are out of pocket.
This 7 year warranty with Kia is looking better and better.
Yea, insurance will not cover mechnical breakdown...

i made sure i got extended warranty for my 300, mine has 5yr / 150,000km warrenty. Because its american and its got a E-gear transmission. I will probably move it on between the 5-7yr mark.

Saying that, i would be nervous if i was a 2nd hand buyer of my car without a warrenty, as there is a lot that could go wrong and could cost $$$$... again its all about protecting yourself and making sure you are informed and entering the purchase with open eyes and making smart decisions that suits your situation.
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Saying that, i would be nervous if i was a 2nd hand buyer of my car without a warranty


that will go with so many of today's new cars

if you have a 200 gXL V8 desiel and blow the engine you have several choices

catch a bus
sell the wife or kids or both

I was speaking to the Ford dealer manager yesterday he said many used cars will be unsaleable due to electronic faults

the body will last longer than many of the electrical units

I am glad I am getting close to the end of my driving life god knows what the cars will be like in 10 or 20 years
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Mine was slightly different as they couldn't even jump start it.
I watched him replace it, the hardest part would be physically lifting it out from under the drivers seat, but its no more difficult to fit than any other battery in any other car, so they're having a lend of you, again.

Ditch that dealer.
LOL im running out of Jeep dealers LOL

My car is a lemon, i will admitt, i shouldnt put all Jeeps in that category.

All the dealers so far have said mine was "special". Biggest gripe is parts avaialability. Australian made cars are great for parts availability. Ive also owned Japanese and never had issues with delayed parts. However the jeep has been horendious.

Of course i could buy parts online and get them quicker, but with warranty claims i have no choise but to wait. Example:

1st reverse camera: 8 weeks
2nd reverse camera: 2 weeks
Front drive-shaft: 19 weeks
1st Satnav unit/U-Connect unit: 16 weeks
2nd Satnav unit/U-Connect unit: 8 weeks

Just to list a few.......list would be too long to list all LOL

And of course my car being at Jeep for 9 months out of its first 2 years.
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Yea, insurance will not cover mechnical breakdown...

i made sure i got extended warranty for my 300, mine has 5yr / 150,000km warrenty. Because its american and its got a E-gear transmission. I will probably move it on between the 5-7yr mark.

Saying that, i would be nervous if i was a 2nd hand buyer of my car without a warrenty, as there is a lot that could go wrong and could cost $$$$... again its all about protecting yourself and making sure you are informed and entering the purchase with open eyes and making smart decisions that suits your situation.
Mate of mine is manager of a national auto repair that offers road side assist, he reckons that Chrysler products (out of warranty) are one of their main call outs.
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LOL im running out of Jeep dealers LOL

My car is a lemon, i will admitt, i shouldnt put all Jeeps in that category.

All the dealers so far have said mine was "special". Biggest gripe is parts avaialability. Australian made cars are great for parts availability. Ive also owned Japanese and never had issues with delayed parts. However the jeep has been horendious.

Of course i could buy parts online and get them quicker, but with warranty claims i have no choise but to wait. Example:

1st reverse camera: 8 weeks
2nd reverse camera: 2 weeks
Front drive-shaft: 19 weeks
1st Satnav unit/U-Connect unit: 16 weeks
2nd Satnav unit/U-Connect unit: 8 weeks

Just to list a few.......list would be too long to list all LOL

And of course my car being at Jeep for 9 months out of its first 2 years.
Read an article, a fair while back, about manufacturers releasing technology too fast and not being able to do proper long term testing. This is to try and beat their competitor.
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Thats why these new cvt and dual clutch boxes are giving so much trouble..not developed enough before going on the market..
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Mate of mine is manager of a national auto repair that offers road side assist, he reckons that Chrysler products (out of warranty) are one of their main call outs.
Does that mean in a few years time the tag "I bought a Jeep" will be replaced by " I sold a Jeep"? I can add VW to that list.

I wonder if parts supply is a problem in the US or if it's just the local division not wanting to take the expense of paying for decent stock level warehousing in Australia?
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Mate of mine is manager of a national auto repair that offers road side assist, he reckons that Chrysler products (out of warranty) are one of their main call outs.
The gen 1 300c and other previous gen stuff from chrysler were not a very reliable product.

My gen 2 so far has not missed a beat after 23k kms. Also had the advantage to see the gen 2 product reviews and etc of the model in the states a year before they arrived here. At the moment the new GC is not having a very good run, thats for sure... but my 300 is going strong.
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electrical plugs and loose nuts?
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No. The other thread you're linking to is not a mate, just a business man I got talking to. This thread's business I'm referring to is ABS, which is owned by another conglomerate.
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Anything from the Chrysler/jeep group is horrible for spare parts. Borderline ridiculous...
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No, only a very close mate that I see every week that works for a company & travels interstate for business.

Are you sooking? Or are you just a miserable type that knows it all?
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Are you sooking? Or are you just a miserable type that knows it all?
you are the one that appears to know it all
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relax mate, have a coldy.
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Saying that, i would be nervous if i was a 2nd hand buyer of my car without a warranty


that will go with so many of today's new cars

if you have a 200 gXL V8 desiel and blow the engine you have several choices

catch a bus
sell the wife or kids or both

I was speaking to the Ford dealer manager yesterday he said many used cars will be unsaleable due to electronic faults

the body will last longer than many of the electrical units

I am glad I am getting close to the end of my driving life god knows what the cars will be like in 10 or 20 years
We're starting to see lots of module problems with E series Falcons now, it seems every week there is one in a friends shop for module related problems.

A common one with EF/EL now is the BCM solder joins drying out and not contacting properly, common problem is smart lock immobilises the car, but if you punch the dash a few times next to the steering wheel it'll start, thats the dead giveaway to the BCM solder joins issue, its easily fixed as its well known but can cause some headaches.

There is a local guy who is a gun with a soldering iron and electronics who can repair them in less than 5 minutes and its good to go, but in a lot of cases if you go to a wrecker for a BCM you might find the same issue in a few months, its a gamble as they're all getting long in the tooth, unless someone makes reproduction modules but the thing is E series aren't worth anything so they're not really worth repairing once the costs start getting into the high hundreds unless its something like a GT, Sprint etc.

Eventually when B series and FG are getting to 20 years old we will probably see similar issues with those cars or any injected car, really. I reckon B series will be bad because the ECU is in the engine bay, that would be getting a lot of hot/cold cycles where as E series the ECU is in the passenger kick panel so its only really exposed to interior temperature in summer.
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Don't give a toss, if it breaks I'll fix it, Just like any modern car out of warranty they will sting you for parts, my SRT's out of warranty August 2015...Will I still have it after that...I hope so.
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So I now get that Jeep commercial where the kid hits the ball over the fence and the father asks his wife where the neighbors are when he sees how long the grass is.
They bought a jeep, broke down interstate, and have been waiting 8 weeks to get home.
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Thats why these new cvt and dual clutch boxes are giving so much trouble..not developed enough before going on the market..
According to Wikipedia, CVT boxes started to be in use in the early 50's and dual clutch boxes in the early 80's.

Not really new technology - but I think as designs change and become updated to chase an ever lower fuel consumption figure there isn't enough testing under all conditions before going to market.

The issues that Ford and VW had (still have??) highlight this. I bought my wife a Diesel Focus with the DCT and it was a disaster.

Sold that when we had had enough and bought a new Mirage - with a CVT.

No issues at all with the CVT, it will be 1 year old in a few days and it has performed flawlessly.
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CVTs a fairly reliable actually, its just that no one has been able to build them to handle more than 350nm.
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Well CVTs are available in the ag industry that can handle in excess of 1500Nm so I guess weight is the only issue in cars.
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We have instant access to insurance costs, rego costs and fuel consumption and safety figures...

When I look up a car on carsales.com.au, it even tells me what the average insurance premium is.

Why don't we introduce a 'cost of repair' points system.

Average cost of repair using factory parts in a 5km/h corner impact (so bumper, support, possible grille and a head light??)

How bout a star system for time parts take to arrive.

Bit like what you see in a washing machine - the more stars, the faster high turnover parts can be delivered, the lower $ figure means the cheaper it is to repair.

Or even, a list of the top 10 most bought spare parts - bonnet, headlight, rear / front bumper, tail light, windscreen, side mirror, door skin, fog light etc.

I couldn't believe Ford wanted to charge me over a grand for a new steering wheel on my Focus when the chrome started to peel off the insert....

Some of these waiting times should be against the law - months for parts?? What the hell? That is a joke and should not be allowed. Simple.
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I know someone who has been waiting for parts for their Kia Grand Carnival for nearly 6 months.
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I know someone who has been waiting for parts for their Kia Grand Carnival for nearly 6 months.
Should NEVER be allowed to happen! How bout they pull the part from an existing car and then just hold off selling the car till the part arrives? (or does that make too much sense?)

Is this someone still able to drive the car? What happens if it's a part associated to the safety performance of the car? How is the customer compensated for the wait? If the car is not driven is the warranty extended by the same time the car sits idle??

Seems that these part delivery times happen because there isn't legislation to dictate what is acceptable and what isn't.

I bet if the laws changed 6 months would become 6 days.....
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Don't give a toss, if it breaks I'll fix it, Just like any modern car out of warranty they will sting you for parts, my SRT's out of warranty August 2015...Will I still have it after that...I hope so.
I use to say I was still going to own my 300c in August 2015.
I sold it march 2014.

The thing was falling apart at 7 years old with 92,000kms on it. Spending $10,000 on it in 6 months was enough for me to call it quits. Especially when my mechanic was telling me to sell it.
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Should NEVER be allowed to happen! How bout they pull the part from an existing car and then just hold off selling the car till the part arrives? (or does that make too much sense?)

Is this someone still able to drive the car? What happens if it's a part associated to the safety performance of the car? How is the customer compensated for the wait? If the car is not driven is the warranty extended by the same time the car sits idle??

Seems that these part delivery times happen because there isn't legislation to dictate what is acceptable and what isn't.

I bet if the laws changed 6 months would become 6 days.....
From what I understand the Carnival was involved in a major accident. Insurance chose to fix it. Parts required were structural items not kept in stock, which had to be ordered.
Parts turn up after three months.
Car was disassembled, more structural damage was found and apparently it involves parts that are not even available that have to be specially made.
Its nearly 6 months and at and the moment they expect to get the vehicle back in December.
Oh they have had a rental vehicle at the insurers cost the whole time
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Default Re: you wont believe the cost of jeep spare parts

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According to Wikipedia, CVT boxes started to be in use in the early 50's
Yes I remember the DAF's with their elastic band system; there was a few here; I wonder where they all went.
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