SAD!!! Ford XR GT on ebay

[Express]

Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

Just ridiculous..

I wouldn't take that heap of rubbish if it were free..

I would, I’m after a wiper motor.

[MrEL]

Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

Just ridiculous..

I wouldn't take that heap of rubbish if it were free..

For the price it's going for could buy b series xt in top condition or au3 220 xr8 that will flog it even after its been restored.

For the amount that people have bid it's proof there is one born everyday.

Oh its a hulk quote?
Excuse me I thought it was just the noise of someone farting.

[madmatty]

8 grand for that ,wow

sight unseen,what a gamble,not much to work with
good luck to the new owner

hope it gets back on the road someday.

[Kingsley]

Some people just don't understand the joy of salvaging a wreck and restoring it yourself. It's a good feeling, especially when it fires up for the first time!! Hopefully we'll see it restored one day. Good luck to the new owner.

[jamies]

I have a customer who restore's old classics for a living, I've seen him rebuild many a rusty classic and they look mint when they leave.. Ive seen him fabricate qtr's to suit old coupes and painstainkingly put hours and hours into it. So good luck to the winning bidder and hope the chequebook is deep.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by jamies

I have a customer who restore's old classics for a living, I've seen him rebuild many a rusty classic and they look mint when they leave.. Ive seen him fabricate qtr's to suit old coupes and painstainkingly put hours and hours into it. So good luck to the winning bidder and hope the chequebook is deep.

If its for someone who wants a specific car and knows what they are doin,or has the funds to get something built from nothing,thats fair play
But as we all know most don't have the skills or the funds to finish from this condition
Itll either be a beat up,some drunk knob bidding for bragging rights down the pub ,and renegs the deal ,or some other non funded person
But if the winning bidder comes thru,wait for all the other nearly dead GTs to magically appear and ask similar money
Ill wait in earnest for the relisting

[basteve]

Im not sure about the entire bidding activity. If you have a look at the bidders they appear as related users. eg

e***e
y***d
n***g
p***x
d***d
g***i
z***y etc etc

and goes on in the same sort of bidder configuration. If you search for any of these bidders there is no history of them. This looks very suspicious. Maybe its legit but to me it looks the hallmarks of a fraud. E bay can harbor unscrupulous sellers. I have come across some of these sellers that have ripped me off.

[LTDHO]

related?
How?

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by basteve

Im not sure about the entire bidding activity. If you have a look at the bidders they appear as related users. eg

e***e
y***d
n***g
p***x
d***d
g***i
z***y etc etc

and goes on in the same sort of bidder configuration. If you search for any of these bidders there is no history of them. This looks very suspicious. Maybe its legit but to me it looks the hallmarks of a fraud. E bay can harbor unscrupulous sellers. I have come across some of these sellers that have ripped me off.

There wont be any history to be found,the bidders ID is only disclosed to the seller

[chamb0]

Originally Posted by basteve

Im not sure about the entire bidding activity. If you have a look at the bidders they appear as related users. eg

e***e
y***d
n***g
p***x
d***d
g***i
z***y etc etc

and goes on in the same sort of bidder configuration. If you search for any of these bidders there is no history of them. This looks very suspicious. Maybe its legit but to me it looks the hallmarks of a fraud. E bay can harbor unscrupulous sellers. I have come across some of these sellers that have ripped me off.

The letters and numbers in the usernames are just randomly generated by Ebay to anonymise identities. They do this to prevent contact between bidders (like manipulating or harassing other bidders) and also to prevent scammers from sending fake second chance offers to those who didn't win the auction.

[cheap]

I'm no expert on XR GT's (XW's are my scene) but did XR's come with auto transmission? From one of the ebay photo's it appears as though there is a 'wide' brake pedal i.e auto transmission, also can anyone see the clutch pedal? Maybe an XR expert can clarify.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by cheap

I'm no expert on XR GT's (XW's are my scene) but did XR's come with auto transmission? From one of the ebay photo's it appears as though there is a 'wide' brake pedal i.e auto transmission, also can anyone see the clutch pedal? Maybe an XR expert can clarify.

no, they were all manuals and except for a handful of different colours, i believe they all had the same options

i believe they were the first australian car to have
a manual gearbox
a v8 and
front wheel disc brakes
all on the same car

[ford man xf]

Originally Posted by cheap

I'm no expert on XR GT's (XW's are my scene) but did XR's come with auto transmission? From one of the ebay photo's it appears as though there is a 'wide' brake pedal i.e auto transmission, also can anyone see the clutch pedal? Maybe an XR expert can clarify.

http://fpv.com.au/fpv_history

Not sure if this is saying that it was Australias first 4 speed manual, or that they only came in a 4 speed manual? I remember reading somewhere that Ford strangely raced one of the GT's with 3 speed autos at Bathurst one year, but I think that might have been the XT?

This was the car that started the Australian Falcon GT legend! Developed from the special Police Interceptor Pack Falcon, the GT was the brainchild of dynamic Ford Australia Managing Director, Bill Bourke. The experts told Ford that a GT came only with 2 doors but Ford went ahead anyway with the definitive Aussie 4-door GT based on the XR series, resplendent in its own exclusive colour GT Gold. Its unique charcoal interior featured the sportier ZA Fairlane bucket seats, wood-grained steering wheel, dash and matching gear knob and special Stewart-Warner full instrumentation. Appointments were a cut above the XR Fairmont.

The new GT was also the first full-size Australian family car variation to offer a Total Performance and appearance package with extra safety including the Mustang 289 V8 with Australia's first four barrel carburettor, 4-speed manual gearbox, sports suspension with radial tyres on 5.5 inch rims and steering wheel impact pad, all standard.

Its GT stripes down the sides and across the boot, distinctive GT medallions and grille blackouts caused a sensation when the first GT was released in May 1967 as a limited edition model late in the XR series. In October, the real reason for its creation became apparent as the new GT Falcon took the "King of the Mountain" title at Bathurst thereby establishing the foundations for V8 Supercars into the 21st Century.

[ford man xf]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

no, they were all manuals and except for a handful of different colours, i believe they all had the same options

i believe they were the first australian car to have
a manual gearbox
a v8 and
front wheel disc brakes
all on the same car

Beat me to it. There you go.

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by ford man xf

http://fpv.com.au/fpv_history

Not sure if this is saying that it was Australias first 4 speed manual, or that they only came in a 4 speed manual? I remember reading somewhere that Ford strangely raced one of the GT's with 3 speed autos at Bathurst one year, but I think that might have been the XT?

There was a three speed auto XW GT that raced at Bathurst. Unsure if there was an auto XT GT racecar

[cheap]

So if all XR GT's were manual transmission, what's with the wide brake pedal (i.e. auto transmission) and where's the clutch pedal?

I'm thinking a barge-poll and this 'XR GT' go hand in hand.

"Non-reclaimable" rings alarm bells as it isn't clear from the seller what they actually mean. Oh well it's only $8,300 and if you say it fast enough it doesn't sound half as bad.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by ford man xf

I remember reading somewhere that Ford strangely raced one of the GT's with 3 speed autos at Bathurst one year, but I think that might have been the XT?

yep, the auto was an xw in 1969
the xt part was a v8 falcon 500 in 1968

[XR Martin]

Auto at Bathurst? Did the driver break his leg the week before?

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Auto at Bathurst? Did the driver break his leg the week before?

i was thinking maybe for cost reasons, but going by my records, an xw gt auto cost more than an xw gtho
the gtho's were in class d - up to $4500
and the gt auto was in class e - over $4500

maybe a leg problem necessitated the auto, or he had an xw gt auto sitting in his driveway and thought "let's go racing"

[cheap]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Auto at Bathurst? Did the driver break his leg the week before?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Hardie-Ferodo_500

9th place, Charlie Smith & Bill Ford - Ford XW Falcon GT Automatic - 126 laps ( 4 laps behind the winner Colin Bond in 350 Monaro HT)

[ford man xf]

Originally Posted by cheap

So if all XR GT's were manual transmission, what's with the wide brake pedal (i.e. auto transmission) and where's the clutch pedal?

I'm thinking a barge-poll and this 'XR GT' go hand in hand.

"Non-reclaimable" rings alarm bells as it isn't clear from the seller what they actually mean. Oh well it's only $8,300 and if you say it fast enough it doesn't sound half as bad.

Could have simply been converted to an auto, people do it for various reasons, I know of an XY that was converted from factory 4 speed toploader to a C10 auto and power steering was also added, the reason being that his wife also enjoyed to drive the car and struggled with the manual and the power steering with big treads on the front.

[hankscorpio]

Originally Posted by cheap

I'm no expert on XR GT's (XW's are my scene) but did XR's come with auto transmission? From one of the ebay photo's it appears as though there is a 'wide' brake pedal i.e auto transmission, also can anyone see the clutch pedal? Maybe an XR expert can clarify.

the brake pedal looks ok to me? and I think the clutch pedal is there - just sitting quite back from the normal position?

I've heard about at least one factory auto XR GT recently

[hagarone]

If you look at the picture of the engine bay you can see the clutch master cylinder.

[Charliewool]

I'd say it's genuine.. The brake pedals correct and clutch pedal is there but to the floor.
As I said before, the shifter hump looks the goods as does the steering column which has NO hole for either 3 speed manual or auto column shift. And there were no T bar autos in XR.

[Pepscobra]

I'm surprised someone paid that much for it.
Gonna take a big effort to bring it back from that state, but not impossible.

So did it have VIN plates still on the body?

[FGII-XR6]

if it was genuine and had the compliance plates the price was reasonable. yes it will take a lot of work but in 5 to 10 years someone will have a nice GT , only down side is the lack of the original matching engine.

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

I'm surprised someone paid that much for it.
Gonna take a big effort to bring it back from that state, but not impossible.

So did it have VIN plates still on the body?

[jamies]

Why would you spend $40k plus to restore this GT when there is plenty of good Xr - Xt's around.. if you can afford them with history and matching numbers. I dont understand why you would bother restoring this one.. How long is a piece of string.

[FGII-XR6]

for some people the joy is not in the ownership but in restoring a badly deteriorated wreck to it's former glory. just buying a restored GT you can't look at the pics of the resto and proudly say I did that

Originally Posted by jamies

Why would you spend $40k plus to restore this GT when there is plenty of good Xr - Xt's around.. if you can afford them with history and matching numbers. I dont understand why you would bother restoring this one.. How long is a piece of string.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

.......or he had an xw gt auto sitting in his driveway and thought "let's go racing"

Which back in the day is entirely feasible.....

[jamies]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

for some people the joy is not in the ownership but in restoring a badly deteriorated wreck to it's former glory. just buying a restored GT you can't look at the pics of the resto and proudly say I did that

I've restored cars before and there is also the dissapointment of finding things are far worse then first expected.. And that my friend can be a reminder of plenty of heartache of wasting money. I've been there before.