Vfacts Jun 2011

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Without LPG, wagon and V8, and the current climate of large car segment downfall, those numbers are reasonable.

Of course they would want better, but 2500 to 3000 is where they could go if everything works out with LPi and the upgrade later in the year, and they would probably be happy with that. The days of 6000 plus are gone.

That may be so but I find it odd that anyone would call less than 2000 sales "OK". Dire would be the word I'd use.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Compared to what? An XF?

BA XR6. Seriously, woeful seats after a few hours. Can you say bum rot?

The so-called sports seats may have some extra bolstering (not enough), but the foam is still too soft.

Couldnt get through more than half a day without starting to get back-ache.

the gearbox was pox, reacting too violently after waiting for what seemed like too long to drop down it would then go down too many.

Use the paddles then. My only gripe with the DSG was its tendency to get into 6th as soon as possible.

where many of the higher end models Volkswagen dealers won't even trade them back in.

??? No shortage of GTI's at dealers.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by prydey

as said already, each to their own! can you fit 4 people plus luggage in?

4 people on an interstate drive? i'd direct them to the virgin/qantas website :P

as for luggage, falcon's boot is too shallow to carry any more than one of those people's suitcases.

if only Falcon was avilable in a sportwagon....

[prydey]

Originally Posted by b0son

4 people on an interstate drive? i'd direct them to the virgin/qantas website :P

as for luggage, falcon's boot is too shallow to carry any more than one of those people's suitcases.

if only Falcon was avilable in a sportwagon....

whatever gear you are on, i'd like some please. must be some good stuff.

4 return tickets isn't exactly cheap, esp for a family. also, when you get to your destination, you have no transport!

as for the size of the boot comment, obviously i just imagined the 4 suitcases, stroller, o'night bags etc in my boot.

i don't go around saying small cars are pointless, so i'm not sure why you always feel the need to critisize the large car. from where i'm sitting, there is still a place for it, and judging by the large number of large cars i see when doing interstate trips, i'm not the only one that thinks so.

[Gobes32]

Admittedly, if I was doing a lot of interstate driving with 4 adults and luggage, I would be more inclined to go down the Territory path.........

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by b0son

4 people on an interstate drive? i'd direct them to the virgin/qantas website :P

as for luggage, falcon's boot is too shallow to carry any more than one of those people's suitcases.

if only Falcon was avilable in a sportwagon....

Have you ever seen a Falcon boot??

I can fit heaps in our G6ET, especially now that they have gone with a space saver tyre...

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Gobes32

Admittedly, if I was doing a lot of interstate driving with 4 adults and luggage, I would be more inclined to go down the Territory path.........

I'd agree with this, far more accommodating than a sedan.

I have done the Melbourne->Perth->Melbourne in a Territory and I couldn't fault it.

Could not have done it in a sedan.

[Gobes32]

Territory rear seat is terrible, but that don't matter, because I will be driving........

[naddis01]

Not sure if anyone has noticed but I think Mazda 3 has regained the number 1 spot YTD.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by prydey

i don't go around saying small cars are pointless, so i'm not sure why you always feel the need to critisize the large car.

I guess i get tired of reading about how only 'Australian cars are built to Australian conditions(TM)', and how only a large car like a Falcon or Commodore can cope with long trips, like its some fait accompli.

the explosion in medium-sized car sales would suggest people have realised you can go places and carry everything you need without needing a massive car.

if you really need to carry a lot of stuff, even the sedan doesnt really cut the mustard. and while Holden breathed a bit of new life into the station wagon, Falcon dropped it altogether (yes, it sold in dismal numbers, but its not as if FOrd went out of their way to keep it fresh - I always thought EA even when I looked at any of them).

that said, at least they have the territory again.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by b0son

if you really need to carry a lot of stuff, even the sedan doesnt really cut the mustard.

the beaty of the car market in australia now is there is such a broad range. there is a size and shape car to fit everyones needs, whether it be tiny, small, mid, large, suv, 4x4 etc etc.

the fact that some prefer a large sedan over a small car does not make them wrong and vice versa.

i get the impression its been a while since you stuck your head in the boot of a falcon. like i said earlier, my fg fitted 4 suitcases, stroller, o'night bags, soft esky, other food stuff, medicine box etc etc.

Originally Posted by b0son

and while Holden breathed a bit of new life into the station wagon,

if you still want rearward vision, you wouldn't fit much more in the back of a holden hatch than in a sedan. even if you load it up to the roof, the difference in size is hardly something to write home about.


i guess for a lot of people, air travel is a preferred option, but not all people.

[Chopped]

Originally Posted by prydey

..............you wouldn't fit much more in the back of a holden hatch than in a sedan. even if you load it up to the roof, the difference in size is hardly something to write home about.

Ford Falcon Boot Space = 504L
Holden Commodore Sedan Boot Space = 496L
Holden Commodore Sportwagon = 895L (seats up) / 2000L (seats down)

^ You're right, hardly any difference at all. I'm sure that "tiny bit" of extra space would never come in handy. Probably why 30% of commodores sold are Wagons.

[naddis01]

But 80% extra volume is insignificant.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Chopped

Ford Falcon Boot Space = 504L
Holden Commodore Sedan Boot Space = 496L
Holden Commodore Sportwagon = 895L (seats up) / 2000L (seats down)

^ You're right, hardly any difference at all. I'm sure that "tiny bit" of extra space would never come in handy. Probably why 30% of commodores sold are Wagons.

yes, when you look at it like that, it looks like i have egg on my face, but how many people fill the load area with liquid? the useable space is a lot less. the rear tailgate, because of the angle, eats into a lot of the roof line. if you fit a cargo barrier (so you can load it higher than the seat line) there is even more space you lose.

i know the numbers on paper, but in the real world its not that black and white.

[Chopped]

lol at the liquid, I instantly thought about 895L of beer!

All of the real world owners I know are happy they didn't pick the sedan. They actually find the "extra little bit" very useful. Hatches beat boots for practicality IMO.

[Mad_Pom]

As a European I fail to see the desire for sedans. I would always choose a hatch or wagon over a sedan.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Mad_Pom

As a European I fail to see the desire for sedans. I would always choose a hatch or wagon over a sedan.

Because generally wagons look like backside, exception being the VE which did the exact opposite..talk about sow's ear.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Because generally wagons look like backside, exception being the VE which did the exact opposite..talk about sow's ear.

If its the higher spec version. Omega Wagin looks like vomit.

[vztrt]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/127404/n...res-june-2011/

New Vehicle Sales Figures June 2011
By Alborz Fallah | July 7th, 2011

June 2011 Australian New Car Industry Sales Figures
1 Holden 12827
2 Toyota 12514
3 Ford 9216
4 Mazda 8626
5 Hyundai 8534
6 Nissan 6374
7 Mitsubishi 6203
8 Volkswagen 5090
9 Honda 4162
10 Subaru 3003
11 Kia 2733
12 Suzuki 2672
13 Mercedes-Benz 2016
14 BMW 1784
15 Audi 1345
16 Jeep 825
17 Great-Wall 790
18 Volvo 638
19 Peugeot 607
20 Land-Rover 579
21 Lexus 497
22 Isuzu 483
23 Renault 410
24 Skoda 238
25 MINI 232
26 Proton 185
27 Ssangyong 165
28 Dodge 158
29 Chery 151
30 Fiat 149
31 Alfa-Romeo 127
32 Citroen 111
33 Porsche 84
34 Jaguar 60
35 Chrysler 46
36 Smart 22
37 Saab 19
38 Maserati 14
39 Ferrari 12
40 Bentley 8
41 Aston-Martin 6
42 Lamborghini 3
43 Rolls-Royce 3
44 Morgan 2
45 Lotus 0

(units sold – marketshare)

Light Car Segment Winners :

1. Mazda2 (1,907 – 14.8%)
2. Hyundai Getz (1,524 -11.8%)
3. Suzuki Swift (1,326 – 10.3%)

Small Car Segment Winners:

1. Mazda3 (4,212 – 17.8%)
2. Holden Cruze (3,387 – 14.3%)
3. Volkswagen Golf (3,275 – 13.8%)

Medium Car Segment Winners:

1. Toyota Camry (1,601 – 34% of under 60k)
2. Mercedes-Benz C-Class (789 – 12.1% of over 60k)
3. Hyundai i45 (513 – 10.9% of under 60k)

Large Car Segment Winners:

1. Holden Commodore (3,809 – 53.9%)
2. Ford Falcon (1,847 – 26.1%)
3. Toyota Aurion (808 – 11.4%)

Upper Large Car Segment Winners:

1. Holden Caprice (186 – 86.1% of upper large under 100k)
2. Chrysler 300C (30 – 13.9% of upper large under 100k)
3. BMW 7 Series (17 – 24.6% of upper large over 100k)

People Mover Segment Winners:

1. Kia Carnival (304 – 33%)
2. Hyundai iMAX (192 – 20.8%)
3. Honda Odyssey (157 – 17%)

Sports Segment Winners:

1. BMW 1 Series Coupe/Convertible (160 – 31% of Sports cars under 80k)
2. Mercedes-Benz E-Class Coupe/Convertible (98 – 23.7% of Sports cars above 80k)
3. BMW 3 Series Coupe/Conv (94 units – 22.7% of Sports cars above 80k)

Supercars (200k+) Segment Winners:

1. Porsche 911 (14 units – 16.5%)
2. Maserati (14 units – 16.5%)
3. BMW 6 Series (13 units – 15.3%)

SUV Compact Segment Winners:

1. Nissan X-Trail (1,258 – 11.5%)
2. Subaru Forester (1,159 – 10.6%)
3. Hyundai ix35 (716 – 10.1%)

SUV Medium Segment Winners:

1. Ford Territory (1,634 – 23%)
2. Holden Captiva 7 (1,248 – 17.6%)
3. Toyota Prado (614 – 11.4%)

Large SUV Segment Winners:

1. Toyota Landcruiser Wagon (406 – 56.6%)
2. Nissan Patrol Wagon (311 – 43.4%)

SUV Luxury Segment Winners:

1. BMW X5 (288 – 10.4%)
2. BMW X1 (270 – 9.8%)
3. Land Rover Discovery (261 – 9.4%)

[russellw]

The first set of graphical data is now uploaded into the Tech portal.

Cheers
Russ

[russellw]

The second set of graphical data is also uploaded now.

Cheers
Russ

[naddis01]

Just looking at the graphs Russ has posted.

Has anyone noticed that the Hyundai has been hunting the Mondeo in the medium class for the past 3 months and took second this month behind the fleet queen Camry? The Mazda 6 has been knocked down to 4th now which has been in a steady decline since the current shape started back in 08. The I45 on the other hand has been steadily increasing since it was launched last year. It will be interesting what will happen when the I40 wagon comes out later in the year. I assume it is basically an I45 wagon even though it looks different. I sat in one at the motor show and it looked quite good.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Archilino

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2011...from-gas-25549

That doesn't sound like a Ford ready to give up on Falcon... it sounds like one that's sitting down, and deciding how to fight for large cars.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Just looking at the graphs Russ has posted.

Has anyone noticed that the Hyundai has been hunting the Mondeo in the medium class for the past 3 months and took second this month behind the fleet queen Camry? The Mazda 6 has been knocked down to 4th now which has been in a steady decline since the current shape started back in 08. The I45 on the other hand has been steadily increasing since it was launched last year. It will be interesting what will happen when the I40 wagon comes out later in the year. I assume it is basically an I45 wagon even though it looks different. I sat in one at the motor show and it looked quite good.

I don't get what your point is here? I was at the motor show too, and they had the Mazda6's hidden at the very back of the Mazda stand, behind some barrier where they couldn't even be seen. Nobody was interested in them, and I don't blame them. They don't even have USB audio input (nor does the CX-7). No push button start either (have to manually turn the key in the ignition - so 20th century...). The i45 is such a better car than the Mazda it's not even funny.

[naddis01]

I was simply pointing out that the Hyundai is on the rise and the Mazda, which has been consistently second in class for years, is slowly losing market share. What is hard to understand about that? Afterall this is the Vfacts thread. The thread about car sales.

If the Hyundai continues its rise it will be regularly second in class.

On the I45 vs Mazda 6 - yes the Hyundai may be better appointed, but I know which I would prefer to drive, as in physically drive. I know that USB and starter button would make the driving experience so much better. Other than being better appointed, how is the I45 better in your opinion?

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by naddis01

I was simply pointing out that the Hyundai is on the rise and the Mazda, which has been consistently second in class for years, is slowly losing market share. What is hard to understand about that? If the Hyundai continues its rise it will be regularly second in class.

On the I45 vs Mazda 6 - yes the Hyundai may be better appointed, but I know which I would prefer to drive, as in physically drive. Other than being better appointed, how is the I45 better in your opinion?

In a US JD Power quality study in 2009, Hyundai was ranked 4th, while Mazda was ranked 26th. Now obviously, many Mazdas in the US are built in the US, but then again, so are many Hyundais. I honestly believe their quality is superior to Mazda (who were never anything special to begin with - not compared with Toyota or Honda).

[naddis01]

Fair enough. Having owned a Hyundai with another in the family and owning a 2010 Mazda 6 after owning a Mazda 3 I would rate them very similar on quality. My parents did over 300000km in a 121 bubble on dirt roads with the only thing needing repair, other than the usual service items, was the air con compressor died at one point. So I don't think Mazda have any issues in that regard.

Just looking at the specs and comparing a similar model I45 to our Mazda 6 there is bugger all difference in equipment actually. From there website bluetooth is an extra on the I45. They both have hill start assist etc. The 6 has voice controlled bluetooth. To me bluetooth is much more useful than a USB jack or starter button. Then throw in better handling/overall driving experience for the 6.

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Fair enough. Having owned a Hyundai with another in the family and owning a 2010 Mazda 6 after owning a Mazda 3 I would rate them very similar on quality. My parents did over 300000km in a 121 bubble on dirt roads with the only thing needing repair, other than the usual service items, was the air con compressor died at one point. So I don't think Mazda have any issues in that regard.

Just looking at the specs and comparing a similar model I45 to our Mazda 6 there is bugger all difference in equipment actually. From there website bluetooth is an extra on the I45. They both have hill start assist etc. The 6 has voice controlled bluetooth. To me bluetooth is much more useful than a USB jack or starter button. Then throw in better handling/overall driving experience for the 6.

I'm guessing you have the Classic? The i45 Elite has full leather trim and reversing sensors, turning indicators in the mirrors (plus power-folding mirrors), LED tail-lights, and rear air conditioning vents. The Mazda misses out on all these things.

The advantages of the Mazda6 are that it's slightly cheaper (in mid grade trim), and has metallic paint included in the price. It also has dual zone climate versus single zone in the i45, and a 6-disc changer (but no USB).

Bluetooth is not available on any i45, at least not from the factory. But that's not something that interests me or I would use.

So, I still count more 'for' than 'against' for the i45. And that's before you even take into consideration the warranty, engine/transmission, and longer service intervals.

[jpd80]

This is actually what Russell wrote in the Tech section for June:

Mondeo / Medium Segment
In June, 499 Ford Mondeos were sold for a drop to 3rd place with the segment dominated by the Toyota Camry (1,601) with the Hyundai i45 (513) back in 2nd and the Mazda 6 (461) remaining 4th ahead of the Honda Accord Euro (388). Had they been included in the segmentation, the C-Class Mercedes (789) would have taken 2nd spot and the 3-Series BMW (456) would have claimed 6th place.

Percentage wise, the Mondeo (up 44.6%) is the only winner compared to the same period in 2010 with the Accord (down 30.1%), Mazda 6 (down 35.3%) and Camry (down 14.8%) all suffering.

The segment held 5.21% of the market in June but dropped volume by 11.23% compared with 2010 – a loss of 3,421 sales.

Looks like the I45 has edged up and there's now only 52 cars difference between 2-3-4th place so it's all reasonably close.
A thai built Mondeo with lower price or more correctly, better value for money would take the fight to Camry...
An Econetic Mondeo with 1.6 TDCI and 4.3 l/100 km would really push that hybrid Camry and its Govco sales...

[csv8]

This is 4 years old, what if Ford did bring this here.? LWB Mondeo.
Ford has developed a special long-wheelbase version of the new Mondeo sedan and the model was spotted recently in China where it joins other China-specific LWB models from the likes of BMW and Volkswagen Group. The first pictures of the stretched Mondeo have turned up on the Chinese forum SoulImage, and clearly show the lengthened Ford sedan’s longer wheelbase and extended rear door.

In China, it’s not uncommon for even mainstream models like a Mondeo to be chauffeur driven. Even if a LWB Mondeo is released in China, it's unlikely it'll be sold in any other markets. Ford is clearly on a winner with the new Mondeo, which has been a sales success in the UK and throughout Europe.