Anyone heard anything on the Falcon wagon yet?

[joolz]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

They are only building 200 Falcon Wagon a month now (From one of the articles). Why spend so much money for 200 sales a month!! Waste, waste, waste.. Everyone also missed the increase line rate from 2009 comment in one of the articles too!! This is all good news if you ask me.

Unless they are throwing out half the components we supply them a month which is specific to the wagon you have your numbers wrong.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by joolz

Unless they are throwing out half the components we supply them a month which is specific to the wagon you have your numbers wrong.

They not numbers. Mr Burelas numbers!!

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2576F0002F9FA3

"Mr Burela conceded that stricter new Euro 4 emissions regulations that come into force in Australia from July 1 played a major role in the demise of the Falcon wagon, which accounted for less than 2500 of the 31,000 Falcon’s Ford sold in 2009."

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2010...ls-wagon-18779

"Burela stated that Ford had been building around 200 wagons per month. He said removing complexity from the Broadmeadows line would help Ford increase its production capacity for ute, sedan and Territory."

[Brazen]

Reading the articles Burela seems to be VERY excited that Mondeo will take over from the Australian made Falcon wagon. Just reading his comments I wonder how dedicated he is to Australian manufacturing.

[bobthebilda]

You gotta love car industry speak. By removing the wagon from the build, this frees up capacity to build other variants. Its great news that Ford broadmeadows plant is currently running at capacity (sic)

[joolz]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

They not numbers. Mr Burelas numbers!!

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2576F0002F9FA3

"Mr Burela conceded that stricter new Euro 4 emissions regulations that come into force in Australia from July 1 played a major role in the demise of the Falcon wagon, which accounted for less than 2500 of the 31,000 Falcon’s Ford sold in 2009."

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2010...ls-wagon-18779

"Burela stated that Ford had been building around 200 wagons per month. He said removing complexity from the Broadmeadows line would help Ford increase its production capacity for ute, sedan and Territory."

What ever he or the media states i stand by my numbers and with the increased capacity without the complexity of the wagon is crap. With the start of the BA the output was 600+ cars per day. If your not selling the current sedans and territories what is the point of increasing the builds by cutting out the complexity of 1 model. This is where Ford has to do better than Holden in the marketing of a fine vehicle.

[bobthebilda]

Joolz, all depends on what sort of specific parts you are supplying for the wagon. After working for a tier one supplier to Holden in 2004, when we got dodgy parts from our suppliers, we used to send them back for a credit (regardless of cost). Come early 2009, it become more cost efficient to just throw parts in bin, and hope the next delivery was ok. It wasnt an ideal business practice, but the cost cutting just become a viscious circle.

[Brazen]

Is this the last full-size RWD wagon available in the world? The Buick Roadmaster/Chev Caprice wagons died in the early 90s, and the Volvo 960 Estate died in the mid nineties. I think the Falcon was the last full size wagon.

What happens with all the LPG development? Australia has enough to last a few centuries, will a Territory LPG happen?

[joolz]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Joolz, all depends on what sort of specific parts you are supplying for the wagon. After working for a tier one supplier to Holden in 2004, when we got dodgy parts from our suppliers, we used to send them back for a credit (regardless of cost). Come early 2009, it become more cost efficient to just throw parts in bin, and hope the next delivery was ok. It wasnt an ideal business practice, but the cost cutting just become a viscious circle.

We are tier 1 and they are not returned nor ar they stored as buffer stock. I may have opened a can of worms but oh well.

[janddbone]

So, Ford want me to move on from owning Falcon wagons... The cars I have always owned and want to continue to own...

I will move on... Move on to another manufacturer...

[joolz]

Originally Posted by mr_br_johnstone

So, Ford want me to move on from owning Falcon wagons... The cars I have always owned and want to continue to own...

I will move on... Move on to another manufacturer...

And thats simply what will happen. Move to the Territory or the SWB Holden sportswagon. Wagon lovers will move to the latter.

[bobthebilda]

Must be all related to the governments ACIS scheme then. Ie the more you make, the greater the subsidy from the government. Ford only makes 200 wagons a month, but as long as they have invoices from your company for 400 parts, then they use this as the basis for getting our taxpayer monies. Its very similar to Holdens selling practices, they sell 4000 commodores to dealers, the dealers sell 3000 to customers, and Vfacts record 4000 commodores sold in a month.

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Is this the last full-size RWD wagon available in the world? The Buick Roadmaster/Chev Caprice wagons died in the early 90s, and the Volvo 960 Estate died in the mid nineties. I think the Falcon was the last full size wagon.

What happens with all the LPG development? Australia has enough to last a few centuries, will a Territory LPG happen?

*sigh*

Falcon is the last full sized Rear Wheel Drive wagon in the world. The last of the last.

As for LPG, I've already mentioned this in one thread, but I'll say it here as well. Those Gas Fields up in the Kimberly are NOT LPG. They are Natural Gas, also known as Methane. LPG is a byproduct of the Oil Refining process, in much the same way as Diesel. It is not naturally occurring. Therefore Australia does not have enough to last a few centuries.

I can already hear Gobes32 cheering. He's stated for a long time that the Wagon makes the Stamping plant too complex.

[Brazen]

50 years a lot of great Falcon wagons.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_uZTq-yqR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ0iUnDfzN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Jyw...eature=related

[Ghiadude]

The more and more I see and read the more Im starting to think that weve been hoodwinked and the falcon is dying a slow and painful death. It may be 5 years away but I feel that it is coming.

[bobthebilda]

I love your optimism Ghiadude. The End for Falcon doesnt come when there is only one buyer left, the end comes when the cost of making a falcon, exceeds the price you can get for them. Last heard, that is happening now.

[joolz]

Originally Posted by Brazen

50 years a lot of great Falcon wagons.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_uZTq-yqR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ0iUnDfzN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Jyw...eature=related

My dad still owns an XB wagon with a 351 clevo, C10 auto, straight gas, with barn back door and no rust and in great condition. Offered 10k but said no. Its a true Aussie built car and still going strong (even pulls a 26' van no worries)

[FERG_51]

R.I.P Falcon wagon you served us well.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Must be all related to the governments ACIS scheme then. Ie the more you make, the greater the subsidy from the government. Ford only makes 200 wagons a month, but as long as they have invoices from your company for 400 parts, then they use this as the basis for getting our taxpayer monies. Its very similar to Holdens selling practices, they sell 4000 commodores to dealers, the dealers sell 3000 to customers, and Vfacts record 4000 commodores sold in a month.

Wrong V facts is calculated on cars registered not sold to dealers...

[faalcon]

Can see the Holden tv advertisements now"Buy Australias only true blue Family wagon". The Falcon wagon might not have sold much but was not updated with the rest of the range (since AU )and was allowed to die a painful death.R.I.P

[bobthebilda]

Does it really matter if the falcon wagon dies. At 200 per month, Holden may get an extra 50, mazda 6 wagon an extra 50, territory an extra 50 and mondeo an extra 50. There really wont be any huge gain to Holdens

[Ghiadude]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Wrong V facts is calculated on cars registered not sold to dealers...

I think they are getting registered and then used as demo's. Would the dealership then get a tax write off on these assets?

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Reading the articles Burela seems to be VERY excited that Mondeo will take over from the Australian made Falcon wagon. Just reading his comments I wonder how dedicated he is to Australian manufacturing.

Who cares? Half the "comments" you're referring are from diehards that don't see why this decision is being made due to emotion, the other half are trolls.

Holden builds the Commodore sportshatch, and imports the Captiva.
Ford builds the Territory, imports the Mondeo.

Thus I have a few questions...
How is the above hard to comprehend and accept?
What difference does it make (when both build locally and import)?
And which of the above combinations is the more practical?

[OZQUAD44]

RIP wagon, sorry they couldn't have let you hang around for the 50 year celebrations, and I'm double sorry that they couldn't have waited until the next Territory was released so at least it could have covered your withdrawal.

If it makes you feel any better, I promise I will never buy a Mondeo Wagon.

[Swordsman88]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Who cares? Half the "comments" you're referring are from diehards that don't see why this decision is being made due to emotion, the other half are trolls.

Holden builds the Commodore sportshatch, and imports the Captiva.
Ford builds the Territory, imports the Mondeo.

Thus I have a few questions...
How is the above hard to comprehend and accept?
What difference does it make (when both build locally and import)?
And which of the above combinations is the more practical?

Well put as usual youssef. I realise this will probably just antagonise the (admittedly genuine) wagon supporters but....so what? The market for private owner wagons has long since dried up (in this size/spec) and there was no way ford would be able to produce a new FG spec wagon given the business case.

It was always going to happen...just get used to it. You can't have all these nice new cars coming in, all shapes and sizes, all sorts of 'sport activity vehicles', 'coupe SUV', 'medium size hatches' etc. and expect the original vehicles types to just 'soldier on'. The mondeo wagon is just one example of this. For the users out there of the wagon that atcually use it as it was in the 70s/80s i do feel for you. I'm talking about the guys towing boats and/or caravans, or workers with their tools in the back etc. Fact is that isn't how things are done any more (well not for enough people).

Please dont' say 'oh but Holden made it work with teh sportwagon'. What they did was make a wagon hatch on a sedan platform....which did exactly what you'd expect it to do. It apealed to private buyer sedans purchasers...who bought it, at the expense of THEIR OWN VE SEDAN. Also, fleet users bought them as a sedan replacment due to higher resale (which won't last).

Finally, if you use a bit of forsight you can ask yourself this question. If Ford pitches a mondeo wagon as a competitor to the VE sportwagon at a competitive (read cheaper) price, with 4pot rego, and frugal diesel and (later this year) 2.0 Ecoboost turbo engine power, which will the fleets buy? The mondeo has a larger load space, and arguably better build/features for the money. If Telstra needs true heavy haulage (say 20% of their fleet) they can just get RWD territories at bargan prices.

As for those that think this means 'death of the falcon' wake up, the wagon wasn't even FG spec, so it totally removed from the current product cycle. Moreover, its contribution to the overall production was minimal, if not bordering on nuisance (if not a well paying nuisance). This will also ensure mondeo sales get a boost - meaning more future imports of a pretty damn good medium car. Its not all pesimistic now is it??

[OZQUAD44]

Nice post Swordsman, makes a lot of sense.... but still not buying a Mondeo....

[Swordsman88]

Originally Posted by OZQUAD44

Nice post Swordsman, makes a lot of sense.... but still not buying a Mondeo....

which is your right. Problem is if you were after a proper full size, load lugging type wagon (RWD to boot) if you'd be hard pressed to find any other car that will do it. As paxton said earlier, the Falcon wagon was truly the last of its kind. Can't blame Ford really, they kept it alive as long as they could. It was either a massive gamble spending alot of money on a diminishing segment or grabbing and 'speccing up' a pre-existing imported alternative. Hardly a tough call.

After all, what do you think the reps drive in the UK? Yeah, you guessed right....

[Stoney!]

Originally Posted by Swordsman88

Please dont' say 'oh but Holden made it work with teh sportwagon'. What they did was make a wagon hatch on a sedan platform....which did exactly what you'd expect it to do. It apealed to private buyer sedans purchasers...who bought it, at the expense of THEIR OWN VE SEDAN. Also, fleet users bought them as a sedan replacment due to higher resale (which won't last).

I disagree, sales of the commodore were at a slight and steady fall through VZ to VE, even when the VZ wagon was still being made.... however when the VE wagon came out, sales rose, so maybe some sedan sales were cannibalised, but they clearly sold more VE wagons than VZ...

Stoney!

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by Ghiadude

falcon and mustang will be "twinned" from 2015 and that means that the niche mustang engines can be spread accross a greater number of cars. The mustang engines will now have more dev dollars it also means goodnight for our beloved I6 in 2015

Mustang is not the niche product when talking about combining development with the Falcon.

[Ghiadude]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Mustang is not the niche product when talking about combining development with the Falcon.

At first I thought you meant its not going to be aligned with it. now i see that you meant that falcon is the niche

What i meant was in terms of North American sales that the mustang is a niche vehicle.

[partsguy]

Confirmed by Ford Motor Co this morning, petrol wagons stop 30th June, LPG stops 30th September.
Territory turbo ghia also stops 30th June! :ticking:

Sorry, cant show my source.