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Swordsman I think it would have been very interesting (ie close) if Ford had entered a n/a car. I don't expect the XR6T would have ever had any positive boost during the economy run, the load on the engine would be too low to spool up the turbo. We can only wonder what the difference would have been - Ford could have done a test on the sly if they had a n/a Falcon support car!!
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I think the 4.0 NA would have beaten the 3.0 SIDI or gone very close, but of course would have easilly done it RE the % improvement. Not sure what this all means frankly since at the end of the day the car with the lowest overall burn doesn't really 'win' anything to my knowledge and the 'winner' is a 6.2L V8 power ute that not only has the worst ADR and emissions rating of any GMH product (to my knowledge) but also has the least to gain. Its not like Maloo buyers are really intersted in its performance in an econo drive...down the drag strip however....
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Maloo with real-world efficiency?
How does 50+Degree cabin temperatures equate to real world? LOL! GK
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So by their own admission they've limited use of the a/c to an absolute minimum to reduce fuel consumption. I believe the guys at LS1.com have a drag racing class called BOSS (bolt on street stripper) which perhaps HSV and Joshua Dowling should have taken some notes from. I'm sure a stripped down interior, removal of carpets, sound proofing, roof lining, hard cover, spare wheel/brace and jack, electric windows, door trims etc would have netted an even further gain in fuel economy.
So congratulations to HSV for achieving such a remarkable feat. By taking this claim they've exposed themselves as the crackpots they are. I'm sure they must have passed the glass pipe around whilst driving to cope with the 50+ degree temperatures. In the mean time I'd happily look at the Fiesta or even XR6T for a realistic fuel consumption average.
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yep, they said no one was using AC.
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It's a useless exercise if it doesn't replicate real-world driving conditions. I'd say the Bathurst 1000km comparison between the SIDIDI Commodore and the FG Falcon is more realistic.
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How embarrassment. So the turbo Falcon used about 0.5L/100km more than the most technimo-illogically manufactured V6 ever produced in Australia? Holden fails again.
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Funny thing is the SIDI berlina 'failed' the Bathurst test primarily because it allegedly 'lacked torque', leading to issues related particualry to its auto not 'locking up'. This of course made a mockery of its claim to have lower fuel burn since while going up bathurst 161 times may not be identical to most real world driving its a damn sight closer than an ADR test on a rolling road.... So now we get a test where the engine is NOT required to accelerate and DOES cruise at constant RPM. And it still fails. If you compared its Green Challenge result with its extra-urban ADR you get a 11% improvement. Yet the Skoda diesel (a pretty heavy sedan....) with the 2.0 diesel it improved over its highway adr by 15%. Even the little suzuki alto (only 50kw LOL), improved it fuel burn over highway adr by 9% and you can't tell me a micro car was suited to driving from darwin to adelaide ![]() The first test of an engineering 'improvement' is not only against current 'best practice' (i.e. your competitors) but also whether it is the best technical solution possible. Given the top level 3.6 is quite high in power, do you not think that adding a 'low power' eco 3.6 would not have been more succesful? It might not have got quite down to the same ADR (though probably within a few tenths) but does anyone honestly think that real world it would not have been a not only a better car to drive but one that burnt less too? What's wrong with a SIDI 3.6 with 190kw and 330nm? Oh that's right, its not so great for the marketing. Even though the 3.0 was available as a 'slot in' engine from GM surely it would have been cheaper to just go with two 3.6 versions?? And ultimately the better option anway? Typical holden. Never miss a chance to shoot themselves in the foot.....
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Now Ford can claim they have the most economical small car and large car - Ford beat the SIDIDI Commodore and the Toyota Aurion.
Too bad those two didn't enter - must have been for a reason.
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http://globalgreenchallenge.com.au/a...%20Results.pdf
Fiesta - 3.13L/100km XR6 Turbo - 7.04L/100km Maloo - 7.74L/100km SIDIDI Sportswagon - 6.48L/100km |
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Well it looks like Holden did enter the SIDIDI Commodore. However, using HSV's logic, the XR6T beat the SIDIDI Commodore in overall improvement in fuel consumption based on the ADR figure.
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Have to say I was really interested in this challenge and thread but by page 2 when I learned its 95% highway driving - well kind of absolutley pointless if you ask me.
90% of the Aus population live in big cities, most of us fly long distances. Practically ANY car is going to achieve excellent fuel economy at an ave. speed of 75km/h on a dead straight desert highway - this is fairly elemental stuff. I'd say this is more a big love in for all the car manufacturers to brag about their "green credentials" (call me cynical but especially for HSV). Get a Maloo or XR6T in the Sydney CBD and see how your fuel consumption goes (I know first hand - its not THAT bad, but its certainly not 7.1L!). As for saying they do some city testing in Darwin and Adelaide - ummm no offence to people in these cities but their traffic is nowhere equivalent to somehwere like Sydney or Melbourne CBD. Basically this test is applicable to about 2% of the population. Thumbs down for this test from me. Should have been 70% city driving (in Syndey or Melbourne) in a mixture of peak and off peak then 30% highway to Canberra. That would have been much more relevant - and I'd say the Fiesta and XR6T would still have gone amazing.
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Agree 100%. The SIDIDIDIDIDIDIDIDIDI P.O.S. is rapidly filling the void left by the alloytec boat anchor, and it doesn't even perform as well in the 3.0l guise. Holden would do better to buy the 4.ol straight 6 from ford. Whatsmore, Holden have now decided to decorate their cars for christmas with fairy lights, which can only surmise the following; "I'm a holden fan who likes going slow, drinking more petrol and decorating my car with ghey trinkets from supershit auto"
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I notice it says of the "urban driving" it was just 75km in adelaide, and 25 in Darwin! And I bet it was just on the way in and out and not during peak hours!! 3021 total km.
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" THe Holden Omega Sportwagon achieved 6.2l/100km over the run giving us a cumulative result of 6.4l/100km. That's a 31.19% improvement over our 9.3l/100km ADR figure. "
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=197899023451 Stupid test to begin with - Where is the Prius for real world figures / Why did Ford enter the turbo and not the N/A / Why did HSV enter (green car!) / Who actually drives that way/ etc etc etc
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2L / 100 in the Alto!
That is INSANE... That figure would put a lot of motor bikes to shame. I could get the Festiva just under 5L/100 if I was really careful... but 2 in a 5 door hatchback? Imagine if the Alto / Fiesta had a 1-1.2L turbo diesel... |
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