Will Kyoto spell the end for aussie muscle?

[87xfdriver]

i dont expect brown outs, i expect my ducted fujitsu aircon to die 5 or 10 times.. gets so god damn hot in the shade sometimes we usually have to hose it down

lol, Make sure you don't use too much water doing that!

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Piotr

The rest of the world gets alone fine with kyoto and Australia will too

in the vehicle industry . that is absolute garbage . all american V8'S AND HIGH PERFORMANCE CARS do not even meet euroIII standards . AS FOR LAMBOS AND FERRARIES BUGHETTIES ETC ETC . THEY DO NOT EITHER. .
I THINK EVEN PORSCHE's dont meet euro III either .
and EURO III is substandard when it comes to the KYOTO agreement.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by t2te50

The economic costs involved in rattifying kyoto are astronomical. Labour have seen the cash cow that is our budget surplus and now are going to slaughter it :.

John Howard was the most sincere and dignified Prime minister this country has ever had, a straight shooter when compared to the rest. We have done a great injustice to this man, especialy my own generation.

Giving Labour power is like giving power to a couple of council road workers (no offence). We need educated individuals like lawyers, barristers, accountants leading this nation and not a pack of unionists that bleed the economy dry.

Yeah well have a cry mate, the old fart had it coming and I enjoyed immensly watching him conceide defeat,and you had better get used to it because know we have labor running every state and territory

As for bleeding the economy dry, have we all forgot what john howard did between 1975 & 1982??? No treasurer has ever trashed an economy as well as he did,22% interest rates,11% unemployment and a foreign deficit of 11 trillion etc, yep,johny was a brilliant treasurer............

All the people oppose kyoto and various other attempts to tackle climate change what do they suggest we do to address this undeniable issue?

[juve_fan14]

...Sit back and let nature take its course.

[87xfdriver]

We already have a clean air act enforced by the EPA which covers cars. According to the Daily Telegraph, Kyoto says we must reduce emissions by 60%- Didn't say what type of emmisions, just emmisions. yeah, that was by 2050 as well so I'm not panicking.
The media throughout the seventies was saying we're heading into an ice-age.
Anyway CO is good for plants- tripples there growth. Is that green enuff for ya?

[gtfpv]

well , here we go. barristers and lawyers , running the country. since when have one of those leaches ever looked after you ???
the earth is polluted . i dont think australia , makes much differance either way. but we must set an example to others . our kids are getting resporitory illnesses, i'm referrring to all the LIBERALS SHATTERED ( we homo sexually love ya johnny boys out there. )
i wish people would stop knocking unions . i dont 100 % agree with unionism . but most of the ( employed people) who comment against them are living by employment conditions that were set , by them , example sick leave , breaks in between shifts, annual leave, lunch breaks, penalty rates, public holidays, workers comp, safety.
and in earlier times . strikes!!! strikes were for FAIRNESS. , AS in trade, people used to strike , when deals were done by MASSIVE CORPERATIONS which put hardship to our nation , like importing wheat, wool, oranges, tomatoes etc etc .
anyone who is willinjg to givew away all of your TAKEN FOR GRANTED conditions , which you need to survive on these days . than i'll either back you to the hilt / or send you off to another place in a space ship. to ruin someoine elses world .
i hate people who simply have no idea what they are talking about .

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by t2te50

The economic costs involved in rattifying kyoto are astronomical. Labour have seen the cash cow that is our budget surplus and now are going to slaughter it :.

John Howard was the most sincere and dignified Prime minister this country has ever had,a straight shooter when compared to the rest. We have done a great injustice to this man, especialy my own generation.

Giving Labour power is like giving power to a couple of council road workers (no offence). We need educated individuals like lawyers, barristers, accountants leading this nation and not a pack of unionists that bleed the economy dry.

Yep he sure was,
Creating hysteria over an insignificant few hundred assylum seekers while at the same time letting in tens of thousands through the front door as guest workers to lower YOUR wages.
Then we have the debacle of following G Dubya to his oil wars,alot of truth in that one aye? And there's more,but I wont go on,
the simple fact is that MOST of the country supported ratification through the ballot box,labour ran on that platform and got up,so go have a sook but spare us your hysterics,

I wonder how many will be eating humble pie in a year or two..

Nothing will change..

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

you are all going to call me a dinousaur but some of the " global warming" is a natural cycle. i'm not saying there is no contribution from us but it is grossly exagerated. we need some action but the greenies go too far we will still have climate change due to natural cycles and that is unavoidable. we have ice ages and a " greenhouse cycle" sorry to go against all the hype but look at history

I think we finally found something to agree on..... can you please change your point of view? I feel uncomfortable with the concept!

[atec77]

Originally Posted by juve_fan14

...Sit back and let nature take its course.

Yup , one term 25 billion government deficit and wayne swans fiscal mismanagement then the libs sort it again .

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by fmc351

I wouldnt call Murdoch controlled not propaganda. I wouldnt mind some of this information you speak of, in link form. One thing is for sure, science is unable to agree on it, so claiming one is clearly right due to scientific evidence is a tad premature.

Some more reading for those who are interested in this global warming "scam".

Here's David Mayer de Rothschild (son of the Rothschild, the biggest banking family in the world) view on global warming:
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2...earth-concert/

Have a quick read of this article...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...losertosun.htm

Here's an article on the globalists and their goals...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...alistslove.htm

Taxing the air we breathe??...read for yourself.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...doanything.htm

Global warming..politics or science?...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...207Warming.htm

I like this one
http://ultimateglobalwarmingchallenge.com/

[gozza]

Originally Posted by Bent8

Some more reading for those who are interested in this global warming "scam".

Here's David Mayer de Rothschild (son of the Rothschild, the biggest banking family in the world) view on global warming:
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2...earth-concert/

Hah - they should know

[MO]

I just saw Chicken Little, running ,yelling the sky is falling, the sky is falling.....

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Jayden

world population is too big..... but just pointing out that it will double and double again. earth is screwed however you look at it.

Probably the only intelligent post I've read in this thread so far (it's back on page 2). 10/10 for you Jayden

At least someone understand the root cause of almost all of the worlds problems;

TOO MANY PEOPLE!!!

ONLY ONE PLANET!!!

And btw for those that don't know Australia was one of the very few nations to negotiate in INCREASE in emmision as a Kyoto target. Then previous government then refused to ratify it.

Australia's target under the Kyoto accord is to limit growth in greenhouse gas emissions to an 8 percent increase above 1990 levels over the 2008-2012 period...

Google it for yourself. Australia's target is an increase :

[BFYOOT]

hmm, just read the latest press release. Toyota to release a nuclear powered prius in 09...trips back to the future expected in early 2010, Marty McFly next US president cos he knew what the other bloke was gonna say........................

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Probably the only intelligent post I've read in this thread so far (it's back on page 2). 10/10 for you Jayden

At least someone understand the root cause of almost all of the worlds problems;

TOO MANY PEOPLE!!!

ONLY ONE PLANET!!!

And btw for those that don't know Australia was one of the very few nations to negotiate in INCREASE in emmision as a Kyoto target. Then previous government then refused to ratify it.

Good post.

Too many people, not enough resource, and the world population will increase dramatically in the next 100 years.

I'm not completely convinced that climate change will occur in the next 50 years if nothing is changed. In the next 100 with an exploding population in 2nd world countries ? Probably.

As for a 20-25 degree temp increase ? Rubbish !!

Do a google or some research to find out what the major outputs are that are greenhouse gasses. Motor Vehicles are not the greatest issue, cow flatulance is a bigger problem as are power stations !!

Rudd will however push this barrow really hard, and I think the local vehicle manfacturers will need to change a lot as a result.

[Fev]

i have a solution. Lets carpet bomb some crappy old country near europe.. that should fix the problem..

hwouldnt it be carbon minoxide thats causing all the problems??

[apolloxbgt]

Aussie muscle???

We never had any big block cars built here.How can Aussie muscle end when it never even started?

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by apolloxbgt

Aussie muscle???

We never had any big block cars built here,no such thing.

You dont consider your xb gt to be a muscle car?????

[apolloxbgt]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

You dont consider your xb gt to be a muscle car?????

I've said it before,a muscle car by definition is a medium bodied car with a big block,just like a hot rod is a pre'48.Both names are used on everything.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by apolloxbgt

I've said it before,a muscle car by definition is a medium bodied car with a big block,just like a hot rod is a pre'48.Both names are used on everything.

Fair enough mate,If you dont consider a xb gt a muscle car that is upto you,I guess you wouldnt approve of australian muscle car magazine then????

[fmc351]

This 20-25 degree increase, are people confusing F with C?

Ive only heard of a couple of degrees increase being the concern. Although, an Ice Age would require a dramatic fall of that size, so it does happen, at least temp drop anyway.

One mistake most people make with global warming is the assumption summer will be everywhere. Thats not what it means, it means extremes in temp, and shifting of the weather, as in winter wont be at the time of year you expect winter to be.

Anyone who believes it isnt possible is fooling themselves, the only question is are we doing it. Global warming is definitely possible due to man and industry. The effects of Co2 in the atmosphere are not disputed by science, only the cause is.

Originally Posted by FORD3V

Fair enough mate,If you dont consider a xb gt a muscle car that is upto you,I guess you wouldnt approve of australian muscle car magazine then????

We didnt define the term Muscle Car. The cars we make dont fit the description or definition.

Just as Holden is no more Aussie than Ford, doesnt stop people calling Holdens the only true Aussie car. Its still not correct.

[Bearman]

The signing of the Kyoto protocol will most likely open the door, or give justification for governments at any level to raise taxes on V8's, performance cars etc.

Say for example a 5% penalty tariff on imported passenger vehicles with petrol engines over 4,500cc. Something like this could very easily be done at a federal level. They could also do something like an extra tax along the lines of the Luxury Car Tax.

State governments could bring in sliding scales of rego and CTP insurance along similar lines. They could also legislate cars over 30 years old off the road or only allow restricted usage.

Who knows what they may come up with?? In any case whenever emissions and pollution is mentioned there is always footage of busy freeways and a coal fired power station shown!! The focus always seems to turn to transport even though there are bigger polluters out there.

Pro environmentalist left wing killjoys in power wall to wall. Could be bad news for us muscle car enthusiasts. May not be as bad for us weekenders but may end up with FPV's or HSV's being taxed off the roads. The days of people being able to use GT's etc as daily drivers may be over.

[[Tonko]]

Honestly, I dont care about global warming/climate shifts etc....
I think the weather is getting weird, but the grass is still green(ish) and the animals are still getting fed...
Sounds good to me...

[Piotr]

Originally Posted by fmc351

One mistake most people make with global warming is the assumption summer will be everywhere. Thats not what it means, it means extremes in temp, and shifting of the weather, as in winter wont be at the time of year you expect winter to be.

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The seasons are caused by Earth position relative to the sun. They will still happen at the same time

[Geoff EL 4.0]

I dont think the kyoto treaty will spell the end for aussie muscle, just the fact that stock V8's will be so restricted as to not cause emissions etc. and we will have to go and pay a couple of hundred/thousand dollars somewhere to get all of that stuff taken off and we will have a very very fast what i would call stock car with a few bits and pieces taken off and alot more emissions put out :P. Just have to make sure you dont get caught in the process though. I hope this will be the case anyway.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Piotr

The seasons are caused by Earth position relative to the sun. They will still happen at the same time

Right? And?

The weather patterns of each season wont be as they should be. As in, frosts in November, heatwaves in June. New categories of cyclones, drier dry seasons seasons adding to fire risks (longer droughts), overly wet seasons, you know, that sort of seasonal shift. The concept is that the weather becomes less predictable and more extreme, not simply warmer. Im aware weather isnt exactly predictable, but we can pretty much say snow wont fall in December in Stanthorpe (Qld), only place it can snow here.

No, its not a prediction, just stating part of the theory, as in it does not mean endless summer.

[Piotr]

You won't EVER (unless we have mass global cooling) get frosts in November in Australia. If you don't understand why go look up why he have seasons in the first place. Unless the Earths axis tilts you are still going to get Summer in December and Winter in June.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Piotr

You won't EVER (unless we have mass global cooling) get frosts in November in Australia. If you don't understand why go look up why he have seasons in the first place. Unless the Earths axis tilts you are still going to get Summer in December and Winter in June.

I didnt invent the theory. But you might want to do something more than consider yr 7 science. The seasons arent the only factor, you need to consider the effects of blocking in solar effects, and blocking them out.

[irlewy86]

Vehicles in Australia account for less than 10% of carbon emissions. So why would the government concentrate on phasing out one of the smallest contributors.

What is most likely to be introduced is a carbon trading scheme. So it will all come down to what you can afford (as it always has). As for banning high performance, well performance cars while big individual contributors are small overall contributors.

[simmy]

Rudds a loser with no idea. Kyoto will do nothing and Australia signing will not make a difference either. The big player is China with there 1.3 billion people to Australias puny 20 million. Earth will have an ice age again so who cares. http://www.livescience.com/environme...arth_tilt.html